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My fear is that after we have helped the Ukrainians drive the Russians out that NATO won't spend the money to help them rebuild, a la Charlie Wilson's War...
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I worry about that too. One solution may be to tell Russia that one condition for lifting economic sanctions and for an overall peace deal is that they have to give a fixed percentage of their oil revenue to Ukraine for war reparations for x number of years.
 
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1.4M views · 10K reactions | The Switchblade drone, a one-time use unmanned aerial vehicle is a powerful weapon that can dive bomb its targets, such as tanks and artillery nests, at a range of up to 30 miles – and is being supplied by the hundreds to Ukraine for use against Russian forces. https://cbsn.ws/3KxE4qc | CBS Sunday Morning

The Switchblade drone, a one-time use unmanned aerial vehicle is a powerful weapon that can dive bomb its targets, such as tanks and artillery nests, at a range of up to 30 miles – and is being...
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Fair enough.
A terrorist killed marines at the Kabul airport last summer. The drone operator who killed an innocent Afghan family to get that story below the fold on the WaPo has reason to sleep poorly at night. He killed innocent people.

The key point is that, regardless of what a journalistic establishment might say, there is absolutely no drone pilot who has asked for psychiatric help, and that request has been refused. Not one. Ever.
A real journalist would immediately ask, "Who? Give me a name. A rank. A date, and a reason," and show me some form of proof that Major John Slippinschit told me, on August 31, 2915 told me that I could not take time off to go see a psychiatrist because drone pilots are not entitled to such assistance." I defy a journalist to provide such proof because it does not exist. The allegation is complete salacious bullcrap.

Failing such evidence, the story is horse hockey. Utter, unmitigated rubbish, and an outlet that publishes such salacious libel is not worth reading. It is beneath the Weekly World News' latest story about "Batboy" in terms of reliability.
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I had skimmed the article and don't remember every detail, but I think that's a disingenuous take. The issue for any military member or doctor or pilot or truck driver or nurse or etc;... is that asking for help will almost assuredly impact their ability to continue in their work and to be secure in their employment status and pay. This is well-documented and there is no reasonable debate about whether it happens or that the effects are detrimental to individuals whether or not they seek help when they are screwed either way.
 
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NationalTitles18 said:
I had skimmed the article and don't remember every detail, but I think that's a disingenuous take. The issue for any military member or doctor or pilot or truck driver or nurse or etc;... is that asking for help will almost assuredly impact their ability to continue in their work and to be secure in their employment status and pay. This is well-documented and there is no reasonable debate about whether it happens or that the effects are detrimental to individuals whether or not they seek help when they are screwed either way.
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I do think there's a difference in the level of stress, the closer you are to the battle. My brother was a B-17 navigator during WWII. Once, he made an error and they bombed a little Dutch village. He lost sleep over it the rest of his life. He also told me that infantry of that era had only contempt for the Air Corps, despite their having to risk their lives every day, because they went back to base and a warm shower with food prepared for them. I think it's a matter of degree, but the stress is still there...
 
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NationalTitles18 said:
I had skimmed the article and don't remember every detail, but I think that's a disingenuous take. The issue for any military member or doctor or pilot or truck driver or nurse or etc;... is that asking for help will almost assuredly impact their ability to continue in their work and to be secure in their employment status and pay. This is well-documented and there is no reasonable debate about whether it happens or that the effects are detrimental to individuals whether or not they seek help when they are screwed either way.
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This is getting off-topic, but a drone pilot cannot on one hand, say he is being denied psychiatric treatment, and on the other decline to seek such treatment because it might have an adverse impact on your career.

An infantryman colleague told me that the guys in his battalion were on a patrol in Iraq and a HMMWV was hit by a command-detonated mine. The guys in the other vehicles had to listen to their buddies burning to death. They could not approach the burning HMMWV because it was burning too hot to get near enough to rescue their dying comrades. Know what the survivors got to do the next day? Another patrol. And the day after that, and the day after that for sixteen months straight. Think that was stressful?
 
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I do think there's a difference in the level of stress, the closer you are to the battle. My brother was a B-17 navigator during WWII. Once, he made an error and they bombed a little Dutch village. He lost sleep over it the rest of his life. He also told me that infantry of that era had only contempt for the Air Corps, despite their having to risk their lives every day, because they went back to base and a warm shower with food prepared for them. I think it's a matter of degree, but the stress is still there...
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100% in agreement with that. There's also a difference between killing someone with a gun and doing it in a much more intimate manner like stabbing or strangling. In the end they are all traumatic, though.

Making mental health available and accessible is no good if accessing it ruins your life anyway, though - especially when that fact is well known to most. The FAA finally changed long standing policy to allow some antidepressants after a pilot killed himself along with 150 others and a few other incidents. Returning military personnel often lie regarding a need for services for mental health and concussions, etc;... They do so as a defense mechanism to protect their careers.
 
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seebell said:

Multiple Dead After Mysterious Explosion at Russian Ammunition Plant

The explosion at the Russian plant led to a prolonged fire, which ultimately killed 2 workers and wounded others.
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The ammo plant is about 700 miles east of Moscow.
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Maybe, maybe not. It is fairly common practice for Russian workers to have snootful while at work, even if their work is with extremely hazardous materials.
Sabotage is possible, but that is a long way to go to infiltrate a plant.
 
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