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This is getting off-topic, but a drone pilot cannot on one hand, say he is being denied psychiatric treatment, and on the other decline to seek such treatment because it might have an adverse impact on your career.

An infantryman colleague told me that the guys in his battalion were on a patrol in Iraq and a HMMWV was hit by a command-detonated mine. The guys in the other vehicles had to listen to their buddies burning to death. They could not approach the burning HMMWV because it was burning too hot to get near enough to rescue their dying comrades. Know what the survivors got to do the next day? Another patrol. And the day after that, and the day after that for sixteen months straight. Think that was stressful?
Don't be ridiculous. I may as well tell the sun not to rise.

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I never implied that combat is not stressful the way you've implied that killing a human more remotely is not stressful.

It also does no good to offer something and claim you offered it when you are just going to turn around and take away the ability to put food on the table to the person who takes the offer, effectively punishing them for taking the offer (although no one in power would admit to doing just that).

Talk about bovine excrement.
 
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Don't be ridiculous. I may as well tell the sun not to rise.

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I never implied that combat is not stressful the way you've implied that killing a human more remotely is not stressful.

It also does no good to offer something and claim you offered it when you are just going to turn around and take away the ability to put food on the table to the person who takes the offer, effectively punishing them for taking the offer (although no one in power would admit to doing just that).

Talk about bovine excrement.
Talk about bovine excrement.
Okay, a drone pilot tells his supervisor, "Hey, watching that guy writhe around on the ground today until he finally died really bothered me. I'm going to go see a shrink tomorrow to talk about it."
Even in a high tempo unit, every supervisor in the Air Force is going to say, "Do what you need to do. We need you healthy and ready to roll, so go get the help you need. Let me know what the docs say the next steps are."
In the very worst case, the drone pilot might be transferred to some other career field, not have the food taken from his table. If they cannot reclassify the guy, then he has a service-connected disability and is medically retired from the service, (with a possible re-eval in four years to see if subsequent treatment has returned the airman to a state healthy enough to serve again, and if not, medical retirement is made permanent, which means the guy gets a service retirement pension for life based on the degree of his disability and years of service

Once again, you just do not know what you are talking about.

To the other readers, I'm sorry this thread has been hijacked. I'm willing to drop it here.
 

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Talk about bovine excrement.
Okay, a drone pilot tells his supervisor, "Hey, watching that guy writhe around on the ground today until he finally died really bothered me. I'm going to go see a shrink tomorrow to talk about it."
Even in a high tempo unit, every supervisor in the Air Force is going to say, "Do what you need to do. We need you healthy and ready to roll, so go get the help you need. Let me know what the docs say the next steps are."
In the very worst case, the drone pilot might be transferred to some other career field, not have the food taken from his table. If they cannot reclassify the guy, then he has a service-connected disability and is medically retired from the service, (with a possible re-eval in four years to see if subsequent treatment has returned the airman to a state healthy enough to serve again, and if not, medical retirement is made permanent, which means the guy gets a service retirement pension for life based on the degree of his disability and years of service

Once again, you just do not know what you are talking about.

To the other readers, I'm sorry this thread has been hijacked. I'm willing to drop it here.
So that also applies to the other fields I mentioned? And it happens just like that every time? And placing one on disability does not take away career advancements? Suuuuuurrreeee.... All the scientific studies showing just the opposite of your argument should be ignored, right?



There are many more if those don't suffice, but I'll leave your education in your own hands.

I truly am sorry, fellow readers, that an asinine argument was made in the first place. I'm willing to drop it as well.
 
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The RosGvardiya (the Russian Guard) was recruited and trained specifically for regime loyalty. Putin's former bodyguard was placed in command of the RosGvardiya. They are trained in riot control and mob suppression (not combined arms maneuver warfare). In the Kremlin's wisdom, that have been selected to lead the invasion of Ukraine, probably on the assumptions that (a) they will be loyal to the Kremlin and (b) that the only opposition the Russian forces would face would be proto-fascist mobs.
Well, the latter assumption has not panned out and the former is also proving invalid as well.
Now the regular Russian troops have to watch the RosGvardiya quit and leave the infantry to pick up the slack.
I am not sure what having been sent to the meat-grinder will do for the loyalty of the RosGvardiya units who now return home.
 
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Maybe, maybe not. It is fairly common practice for Russian workers to have snootful while at work, even if their work is with extremely hazardous materials.
Sabotage is possible, but that is a long way to go to infiltrate a plant.
Beneficial either way, don't you think?
 

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Lyubov Panchenko was a Ukrainian artist and designer known for her influence on Ukrainian culture.
Died: April 30, 2022
Details of death: Died of starvation at the age of 84 during the Russian invasion of her hometown of Bucha, Ukraine.

The Ukrainian Sixtiers Dissident Movement Museum, Kyiv #RIP #Bucha #womenartists
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A little something from my corner of the world. I receive a "Morning Muster" email every morning with news pertaining to the Guard around the country. This morning:

A small Florida Army National Guard task force that left Ukraine just before the Russian invasion has resumed training Ukrainian troops — this time at an undisclosed location in Germany.

The 160 members of the 53rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, known as Task Force Gator, recently reunited with their Ukrainian partners, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Friday.

“It was an emotional meeting, given the strong bonds that were formed as they were living and working together before temporarily parting ways in February,” he told reporters.
In this context, I have no problem saying, "Go Gators!"
 

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The RosGvardiya (the Russian Guard) was recruited and trained specifically for regime loyalty. Putin's former bodyguard was placed in command of the RosGvardiya. They are trained in riot control and mob suppression (not combined arms maneuver warfare). In the Kremlin's wisdom, that have been selected to lead the invasion of Ukraine, probably on the assumptions that (a) they will be loyal to the Kremlin and (b) that the only opposition the Russian forces would face would be proto-fascist mobs.
Well, the latter assumption has not panned out and the former is also proving invalid as well.
Now the regular Russian troops have to watch the RosGvardiya quit and leave the infantry to pick up the slack.
I am not sure what having been sent to the meat-grinder will do for the loyalty of the RosGvardiya units who now return home.
The 2nd Russian "Vietnam".

And this one hearkens back to our experience in Vietnam. Sending young draftees into blazing cannons, and the reported awful morale problem, given the lack of training/tactics/equipment/resupply on the front lines.
 
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Well, they sidled up to Hitler too

I have seen some other inputs on the war from South America where the Pope originated. It is a complicated topic created by massive resentment of the US "meddling" in SA politics driven by our fear of communism gaining a foothold there. Along with the far left there who continues to romanticize about communism and Russia. It all seems to allow them to ignore the substantial social and economic problems they have at home.

The far left globally is generally unhappy with the US, and to some extent rightfully so, but if they see it as bad now, just wait until a right wing authoritarian President of the US possesses the Nuclear Football.
 

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I have seen some other inputs on the war from South America where the Pope originated. It is a complicated topic created by massive resentment of the US "meddling" in SA politics driven by our fear of communism gaining a foothold there. Along with the far left there who continues to romanticize about communism and Russia. It all seems to allow them to ignore the substantial social and economic problems they have at home.

The far left globally is generally unhappy with the US, and to some extent rightfully so, but if they see it as bad now, just wait until a right wing authoritarian President of the US possesses the Nuclear Football.
Yep. I have spent some time in Argentina and have many friends there as well as expats.

They are still smarting over Operation Condor, US tacit support of the Dirty War, and their own mini-Holocaust with the desaparecidos. The juntas in Argentina, Chile and Uruguay were fighting what amounted to a false flag. The insurgents were not very numerous, and the junta had infiltrated them to a great degree. The Argentine Montoneros leader(Ferminich) was a paid informant for the junta.

The other black eye we have is the decades of US support for tinhorn dictators in both Central and So. America. As long as our businesses prospered, the US seemed to turn a blind eye to tyranny and injustice. And we were "surprised" when Castro took over in Cuba.
 

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Yep. I have spent some time in Argentina and have many friends there as well as expats.

They are still smarting over Operation Condor, US tacit support of the Dirty War, and their own mini-Holocaust with the desaparecidos. The juntas in Argentina, Chile and Uruguay were fighting what amounted to a false flag. The insurgents were not very numerous, and the junta had infiltrated them to a great degree. The Argentine Montoneros leader(Ferminich) was a paid informant for the junta.

The other black eye we have is the decades of US support for tinhorn dictators in both Central and So. America. As long as our businesses prospered, the US seemed to turn a blind eye to tyranny and injustice. And we were "surprised" when Castro took over in Cuba.
Smedley Butler published War is a Racket in 1935. We’ve been at it a LONG time in Latin America.
 
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