Russia Invades Ukraine XVIII

[some_al_fan]

Before the war started, the population of Pokrovsk was ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokrovsk )
60,000+.
Currently, it is between 1,000 and 5,000 (depending on the source)

 

[some_al_fan]

“””"
Usually when an American president is hosting a foreign counterpart, a joint news conference would begin with remarks from the US leader followed by his guest.

But today in Anchorage, President Vladimir Putin opened the news conference while President Donald Trump looked on.
“”””"

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1956495743596040207

Putin: As I said, the situation in Ukraine has to do with fundamental threats to our security—we're convinced that in order to make the settlement lasting, long-term, we need to eliminate all the primary roots that primary causes of that conflict

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1956493080032583799

At press conference with Trump, Putin said he wants to end the war in Ukraine but "all legitimate concerns of Russia" must be addressed including the balance of power in Europe.

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1956434220059967595

Trump claps for Putin as he arrives in Alaska.




The president is a stooge.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Does anybody care what the people who live in the 'disputed' areas prefer?

As TW has described it, those areas had developed, especially since 2014, into urban Russian, rural Ukrainian. As he's also said, it's almost certain that all Ukrainian sympathizers who could have fled...

 

[UAH]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1956434220059967595

Trump claps for Putin as he arrives in Alaska.




The president is a stooge.

It is difficult to imagine a President of the United States being so co opted by Russian land deals. Intelligent and knowledgeable people comment that Putin can offer business opportunities including the lure of a Trump Tower Moscow in order to bend Trump to his will.

 

[92tide]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1956495743596040207

Putin: As I said, the situation in Ukraine has to do with fundamental threats to our security—we're convinced that in order to make the settlement lasting, long-term, we need to eliminate all the primary roots that primary causes of that conflict

what a freaking joke

 

[Bamaro]

As TW has described it, those areas had developed, especially since 2014, into urban Russian, rural Ukrainian. As he's also said, it's almost certain that all Ukrainian sympathizers who could have fled...

Records exist and previous residents could be voting and obviously no one who recently moved in but this wasn't necessarily relating to a current plebiscite, just a general question.. Most people, me included have no idea of the political make up of Eastern Ukraine prior to this war but Putin claimes its "Russian".

 

[Bazza]

 

[Bazza]

 

[Bamaro]

With nothing really resulting from this meeting, its somewhat relaxing.

 

[Bazza]

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Records exist and previous residents could be voting and obviously no one who recently moved in but this wasn't necessarily relating to a current plebiscite, just a general question.. Most people, me included have no idea of the political make up of Eastern Ukraine prior to this war but Putin claimes its "Russian".

It was largely Russian speaking and I'm sure there were many Russian sympathizers, particularly as I said, among post 2014 immigrants. Zelensky himself was a native Russian speaker...

 

[Tidewater]

Records exist and previous residents could be voting and obviously no one who recently moved in but this wasn't necessarily relating to a current plebiscite, just a general question.. Most people, me included have no idea of the political make up of Eastern Ukraine prior to this war but Putin claimes its "Russian".

We probably the voting records for Donetsk and Lugansk from 2010 (the last pre-2014 election).
In that election Yanukovich, Partyu fo Regions, the pro-Kremlin candidate, defeat Yulia Timoshenko (Bativshchyna or "Fatherland" party.)
Yanukovich won the run-off overall 49-46%. (the remainder, I believe voted "против всех" ("against all")
Here is the national map:

Notice anything about which regions went pro-Kyiv and which ones went pro-Kremlin?

 

[TIDE-HSV]

We probably the voting records for Donetsk and Lugansk from 2010 (the last pre-2014 election).
In that election Yanukovich, Partyu fo Regions, the pro-Kremlin candidate, defeat Yulia Timoshenko (Bativshchyna or "Fatherland" party.)
Yanukovich won the run-off overall 49-46%. (the remainder, I believe voted "против всех" ("against all")
Here is the national map:
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Notice anything about which regions went pro-Kyiv and which ones went pro-Kremlin?

Yep. That's one of the problems in the entire big picture. That also was before the influx of Russians following the latest invasion...

 

[spidermayin]

We sure did roll out the red carpet for Putin. Absolutely nothing happened and Trump looked weak.

 

[Huckleberry]

NYT gift link

Trump Backs Putin’s Route for Talks, Dashing Ukraine’s Hopes for Swift Cease-Fire
President Trump said that he and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia favor a comprehensive peace deal over the urgent cease-fire Ukraine wants. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said he would meet with Mr. Trump in Washington on Monday.

 

[Bamaro]

Yep. That's one of the problems in the entire big picture. That also was before the influx of Russians following the latest invasion...

I wasn't aware of that. So you're saying that many civilians came in from Russia behind the Russian army into a war zone?

 

[Bamaro]

President Donald Trump doubled down on his threat that Russian President Vladimir Putin could face "very severe" economic consequences if he blocks the Ukraine peace process. He reiterated the warning while speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One on his way to Alaska for a high-stakes talk with Putin.
Trump doubles down on 'very severe' consequences threat if Putin blocks peace process

So, where does that leave us now?