Russian/Ukranian War (IV)

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Blueguitar

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Extremely juvenile insight

USA is the biggest oil producer and exporter in the world for over ten years.

Biden warned NATO what was happening and sanctions were leved before everyone’s expectation.

My question remains the same….

So what would you do differently?
I agree. That link contains several really hollow points and rewrites a lot of history. Reagan cut and ran from Lebanon after Hezbollah blew up the marine barracks, so why would anyone think he would have handled Afghanistan any better? The increase in military budgets began under Carter (that is when stealth technology was first developed). Then there were the secret arms sales to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. I could go on. And let's not forget that it was Trump, not Biden, who threatened to cut arms shipments to Ukraine unless they played ball with Guiliani.

Biden has made plenty of his own mistakes, but up to this point I think he's done reasonably well handling Russia and Ukraine.
 

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A week or two from now we will be wringing our hands and looking back on missed chances. Ukraine is not wining this war, they're just losing it slower than expected. We keep on hearing about the stalled russian convoy but nothing gets done about it. It may soon be rolling into Kyiv. The hesitance on the Poland Mig 29 transfer is unfathomable. Kherson has already fallen.
We are basically sitting on our hands because of russian nukes and dont think for a second that N Korea and Iran aren't noticing.
 

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A week or two from now we will be wringing our hands and looking back on missed chances. Ukraine is not wining this war, they're just losing it slower than expected. We keep on hearing about the stalled russian convoy but nothing gets done about it. It may soon be rolling into Kyiv. The hesitance on the Poland Mig 29 transfer is unfathomable. Kherson has already fallen.
We are basically sitting on our hands because of russian nukes and dont think for a second that N Korea and Iran aren't noticing.
100% truth.
 
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I agree. That link contains several really hollow points and rewrites a lot of history. Reagan cut and ran from Lebanon after Hezbollah blew up the marine barracks, so why would anyone think he would have handled Afghanistan any better? The increase in military budgets began under Carter (that is when stealth technology was first developed). Then there were the secret arms sales to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. I could go on. And let's not forget that it was Trump, not Biden, who threatened to cut arms shipments to Ukraine unless they played ball with Guiliani.

Biden has made plenty of his own mistakes, but up to this point I think he's done reasonably well handling Russia and Ukraine.
Remember, the only folks who don't make mistakes are those who don't do anything. Our very system of government demands compromises in order to accomplish anything.
 
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The next time the warhawks in both parties suggest unilateral US intervention in some crisis (e.g. Syria, Libya, etc.), I want to remind them this is the world they built.
P5 members of the Security Council get to do whatever they want.
Russia has been saving up the precedents for decades.
The US said Kosovo should be independent. Russia said Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. The West held a referendum, and voila, Kosovo is independent. Russia annexed an integral part of Ukraine, held a referendum and voila, Crimea is independent.

Russia said do not invade Iraq. The US invaded anyway. Being a P5 member of the UNSC, we vetoed Russia's objections. Russia saved the precedent. Now they veto our UNSC objections on Ukraine.

The bottom line is that if you want a rules-based international order, you have to respect the rules you want others to respect. The intentions of the US in Iraq were fairly benign. The Iraqis have their country back, and Saddam is gone.
The Russians' intentions in Ukraine are not so benign. If the Ukrainians lose, their country will go away forever.
 

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We are entering a crucial phase of this war. It's now recognizable that Putin is willing to sustain massive losses to his military in exchange for inflicting severe damage to Ukrainian civilian areas. His ability to do this needs to be choked off. He wants to decimate the country if he can't control it. He knows he cant control it if he wins, because he won't be able to afford to build it back.

He doesn't want the Ukrainian people or their cities. He just wants the ports, agriculture, and natural resources. He will get enough back-channel support from his allies to complete this mission. Putin doesnt even care about his own people. NATO will need to increase its role to prevent this eventual outcome.

He is saving his sophisticated military for a possible military engagement with NATO. He will continue to take the old-style blunt force ground invasion of non-NATO countries to increase land mass and resource base of Russia. Once mission completed he will amass significant military along the border of new-Russia with NATO countries and then in partnership with China engage in an energy war with NATO countries. In alliance with Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and Saudi Arabia a good portion of the world's oil and gas production will be in autocratic hands.

There is still time but NATO needs to recognize the larger objective here.

Taking this a little further, if we assume that Russia has embedded itself with the levers of power of the Republican Party such we see them resume the majority in the next 2 elections and the subsequently back-off sanctions, then you see the outcome for one-party rule to take hold here but the influence economically driven by China and Russia. Where China is the godfather and Russia is the enforcer on the street.
 
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And because in the world of airframes, 30 years isn't old. The F15 and F16 - both still in production today - are 50-ish years old. Tech upgrades are an easy way to keep 'old' airframes in fighting shape.
These are also updated with western cockpit technology. They still have the old MiG29 fuel/range problem...
 
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