Seahawks fire OC Ryan Grubb after one season

[CrimsonTitles]

He doesn't have to get fired, remember he was on the staff when Grubb was supposed to be on the staff as well.

It was supposed to be Huff coaching OL, Sheridan coaching TE, Shephard coaching WR and Grubb as OC. Half of those guys bolted and the two remaining got a change in job title and a raise before they started working. Sheridan went from 500K at Washington to 1.3 million at Alabama.

The most obvious odd man out in this scenario (assuming Huff and Grubb came together) would be Kapilovic, it's not like the OL was stellar anyway. I'd be excited about Huff by himself for the record, but not sure what his status is.

But, it is also worth noting that there's no limit anymore on who can coach players. So, technically you can just move Bryan Ellis to an analyst role if you don't want to fire him and now you have room to accommodate everyone in that scenario.

We gotta find a way to keep Kap imo. He was the top recruiter in the country for this cycle. Maybe have one of them coach the interior, but no matter how we do it, we need to find a way to keep him on.

 

[KrAzY3]

We gotta find a way to keep Kap imo. He was the top recruiter in the country for this cycle. Maybe have one of them coach the interior, but no matter how we do it, we need to find a way to keep him on.

This is where the analyst thing and what have you can become interesting with the change allowing them to coach on-field. DeBoer stashed one of his guys as an analyst and actually had him coaching during the season, I think the limitations are the 11 "official" coaches are the only ones that can recruit.

So in theory for example Huff could be brought in as an analyst, and not have to worry about recruiting (Washington didn't exactly kill it in that area), while still coaching on-field.

But of course you will run into financial concerns and hurt feelings eventually as people want particular titles. I don't see a world where Kap, Sheridan, Grubb, Ellis, and Huff all end up employed at Alabama next year. I can imagine a world where all but one does though...

 

[bamaga]

Meh, if he is offered and takes the job that is fine, if he is offered and turns us down that is also fine He isn't worth $2 million.

Nope.

 

[BamaMoon]

As I said after the season, I won't judge CKD until he has another QB not named JM.

So, next year there will be a new QB and I'll be fine and dandy with the OC CKD wants calling plays next year.

FWIW, I'd take Grubb in a heartbeat if he'd come, but I'm confident Sheridan will be like a man broke out of prison calling plays next year compared to his shackles this season!

 

[Jack Bourbon]

Is there any point to hiring another OC any time soon? If it were Grubb, seems like we'd just be paying him sooner. I guess we need him for Spring practice.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

Id rather have a coach that that wants to be a coach at Alabama. He's already turned us down once, if I'm Alabama I'm not so sure id offer again.

Twice actually. CNS tried to hire him in 2023 then ended up hiring Tommy Rees instead.

Grubb practically wept in his farewell letter to UW. He was never really here fully. His courtship with the Seahawks was both protracted and the worst kept secret in the NFL last January. He made it official so late that CKD had to elevate Sheridan. I’d retain him or go back to Tommy Rees (both of whom actually, you know, MOVED to Tuscaloosa) in a nanosecond over Ryan Grubb based on observed character alone…

 

[KrAzY3]

He made it official so late that CKD had to elevate Sheridan. I’d retain him or go back to Tommy Rees (both of whom actually, you know, MOVED to Tuscaloosa) in a nanosecond over Ryan Grubb based on observed character alone…

I always thought Sheridan was the plan B based on the knowledge Grubb might not come, and it seems like that was a fairly close thing either way. I didn't like the situation, but I mean I get it, Seattle paid him 2 million a year not to move, that's convenient.

Having said that though, I'm more perplexed by the people insistent on keeping Sheridan as OC. Whether you think DeBoer was forced to hire him late because he had no choice, or he was a plan B all along, clearly he wasn't who DeBoer originally wanted to have running the offense. I'd be happy with Grubb, and I'd be happy with another more proven coordinator, but I don't get the enthusiasm for Sheridan.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I always thought Sheridan was the plan B based on the knowledge Grubb might not come, and it seems like that was a fairly close thing either way. I didn't like the situation, but I mean I get it, Seattle paid him 2 million a year not to move, that's convenient.

Having said that though, I'm more perplexed by the people insistent on keeping Sheridan as OC. Whether you think DeBoer was forced to hire him late because he had no choice, or he was a plan B, clearly he wasn't who DeBoer originally wanted to have running the offense. I'd be happy with Grubb, and I'd be happy with another more proven coordinator, but I don't get the enthusiasm for Sheridan.

I don't think it has anything to do with "enthusiasm" for Sheridan as much as it is people realize how much having JM at quarterback handcuffed the position. Let's be honest, you cannot deny two different OC's ultimately had to run basically the same scaled-back offense back-to-back years because of the severe limitations of the quarterback. Then when you see WR's running wide open from plays being called by the OC and the QB not passing the ball to them, it just makes you give the OC a pass because of how horrible the QB play was.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

…. I don't get the enthusiasm for Sheridan.

For me, it’s my take on Ryan Grubb, not enthusiasm for Sheridan; but then I never thought CNS was a viable or even the right option in 2007, soooo…

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Ahhh, the difference was Sark was forced to run kyle Shanahans offense at Atlanta . It introduced him to different creative ideas and window dressings. Like the orbit motion that was so successful with Devonta Smith. I don’t think Grubb was forced to run another creatively genius offense He could learned from.

Definitely different. But facing NFL defenses and being around other NFL coaches would still be a learning experience. Plus he didn't really bring in his own people for other roles from what I can tell outside of Huff. The Passing game coordinator(who has experience with McVay), WR coach, etc were all new to him I believe. Plus coaching with Macdonald who is part of the Harbaugh tree couldn't hurt.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Grubb,

 

[KrAzY3]

I don't think it has anything to do with "enthusiasm" for Sheridan as much as it is people realize how much having JM at quarterback handcuffed the position. Let's be honest, you cannot deny two different OC's ultimately had to run basically the same scaled-back offense back-to-back years because of the severe limitations of the quarterback.

I don't think sympathy is reason enough to keep someone as coordinator who otherwise isn't qualified for the job. He's making as much at Alabama as he made in his previous 3 seasons (including as OC) combined, that's enough money for me to not worry too much about him having a hard time.

Someone defended his performance at Indiana by basically saying he got bad Penix. Why did he get bad Penix though? If I do some rough math and average his ratings with Sheridan vs. the season prior (with DeBoer was OC) I get this: 157.6 at Indiana under Deboer to 119.2 under Sheridan. That is an apples to apples comparison since it's the same QB at the same school. Although, interestingly enough he went right back to 151 rating when Grubb was his OC at Washington. Even more interesting, his last season under Sheridan he had 4 TDs and 7 INTs and then somehow that turns into 31 TDs and 8 INTs under Grubb.

Penix went into a tailspin under Sheridan and then pulled out of it under Grubb. It's a bit coincidental. The same thing happened this year actually. Milroe under Rees was obviously flawed and limited, but he still had a 172 rating under Rees that dropped to a 148 rating under Sheridan. A 23/6 TD/INT ratio dropped to 16/11. A bit odd ain't it? It's a bit more than that though, Milroe got steadily worse under Sheridan, which is also what happened to Penix under Sheridan. Milroe's rating dropped each month, all the way down to 104 in December. Penix dropped to 101.9 rating his final season under Sheridan.

So, we can all agree Milroe was an issue, but how did Sheridan manage to get both the worst version of Penix and the worst version of Milroe? Seems pretty darn unlucky... and I can't point to any QB he helped improve because that's basically his entire resume.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I was just explaining to you that no one is "excited" about keeping Sheridan, just giving the guy some form of the benefit of the doubt due to Milroe. If Milroe had done what he was supposed to do how "bad" would Sheridan really have been this year? I'd take Grubb over Sheridan in a second but I saw too many plays called by Sheridan that produced wide open receivers that never were thrown to. What would have been the outcome if those open wr's had gotten a chance to catch the ball? How bad would Sheridan have been?

I don't think sympathy is reason enough to keep someone as coordinator who otherwise isn't qualified for the job. He's making as much at Alabama as he made in his previous 3 seasons (including as OC) combined, that's enough money for me to not worry too much about him having a hard time.

Someone defended his performance at Indiana by basically saying he got bad Penix. Why did he get bad Penix though? If I do some rough math and average his ratings with Sheridan vs. the season prior (with DeBoer was OC) I get this: 157.6 at Indiana under Deboer to 119.2 under Sheridan. That is an apples to apples comparison since it's the same QB at the same school. Although, interestingly enough he went right back to 151 rating when Grubb was his OC at Washington. Even more interesting, his last season under Sheridan he had 4 TDs and 7 INTs and then somehow that turns into 31 TDs and 8 INTs under Grubb.

Penix went into a tailspin under Sheridan and then pulled out of it under Grubb. It's a bit coincidental. The same thing happened this year actually. Milroe under Rees was obviously flawed and limited, but he still had a 172 rating under Rees that dropped to a 148 rating under Sheridan. A 23/6 TD/INT ratio dropped to 16/11. A bit odd ain't it? It's a bit more than that though, Milroe got worse progressively under Sheridan, which is also what happened to Penix under Sheridan. His rating dropped each month, all the way down to 104 in December. Penix dropped to 101.9 rating his final season under Sheridan.

So, we can all agree Milroe was an issue, but how did Sheridan manage to get both the worst version of Penix and the worst version of Milroe? Seems pretty darn unlucky... and I can't point to any QB he helped improve because that's basically his entire resume.

 

[BamaMoon]

I don't think it has anything to do with "enthusiasm" for Sheridan as much as it is people realize how much having JM at quarterback handcuffed the position. Let's be honest, you cannot deny two different OC's ultimately had to run basically the same scaled-back offense back-to-back years because of the severe limitations of the quarterback. Then when you see WR's running wide open from plays being called by the OC and the QB not passing the ball to them, it just makes you give the OC a pass because of how horrible the QB play was.

I'm very "ball centric" and while watching games I have trouble not keeping my eye on the ball/who has it (and of course TV viewing angles encourage this).

But the last few games I started watching the other players who were still in the TV viewing area more. Specifcally, I'd watch the running backs when they ran a flare route in the flats AND WR as they did their drag/crossing routes just beyond the LOS.

Remember, these are the JM limitation plays (not the full CKD offense) but even the plays we called very often had WIDE OPEN receivers or running backs with not a defensive player 5 to 10 yards from them. And what's even more mind numbing is these had to be the 1st reads most of the time for JM and yet more times than not he'd run the ball, get sacked or try to throw it to #2 who was usually covered up by the defense's best corner.

I'm not saying Sheridan is a great OC, but even an average cook can't make chicken salad out you know what.

 

[BamaMoon]

BTW, Bernard is running wide open somewhere!

 

[bamadwain]

BTW, Bernard is running wide open somewhere!

Looking for someone to throw him the

 

[The Ols]

I'm very "ball centric" and while watching games I have trouble not keeping my eye on the ball/who has it (and of course TV viewing angles encourage this).

But the last few games I started watching the other players who were still in the TV viewing area more. Specifcally, I'd watch the running backs when they ran a flare route in the flats AND WR as they did their drag/crossing routes just beyond the LOS.

Remember, these are the JM limitation plays (not the full CKD offense) but even the plays we called very often had WIDE OPEN receivers or running backs with not a defensive player 5 to 10 yards from them. And what's even more mind numbing is these had to be the 1st reads most of the time for JM and yet more times than not he'd run the ball, get sacked or try to throw it to #2 who was usually covered up by the defense's best corner.

I'm not saying Sheridan is a great OC, but even an average cook can't make chicken salad out you know what.

First, I agree…second…I can’t be the only sophomoric person reading that…

 

[bamadwain]

I'm very "ball centric" and while watching games I have trouble not keeping my eye on the ball/who has it (and of course TV viewing angles encourage this).

But the last few games I started watching the other players who were still in the TV viewing area more. Specifcally, I'd watch the running backs when they ran a flare route in the flats AND WR as they did their drag/crossing routes just beyond the LOS.

Remember, these are the JM limitation plays (not the full CKD offense) but even the plays we called very often had WIDE OPEN receivers or running backs with not a defensive player 5 to 10 yards from them. And what's even more mind numbing is these had to be the 1st reads most of the time for JM and yet more times than not he'd run the ball, get sacked or try to throw it to #2 who was usually covered up by the defense's best corner.

I'm not saying Sheridan is a great OC, but even an average cook can't make chicken salad out you know what.

And if I remember correctly, go back and look at the 4th down play against Michigan, and I know he rolled left, but I believe there's a tight end wide open coming across the endzone

 

[mrusso]

These two were wide open and he didn't throw to them? You think Sheridan drew this up?

 

[KrAzY3]

I was just explaining to you that no one is "excited" about keeping Sheridan, just giving the guy some form of the benefit of the doubt due to Milroe. If Milroe had done what he was supposed to do how "bad" would Sheridan really have been this year? I'd take Grubb over Sheridan in a second but I saw too many plays called by Sheridan that produced wide open receivers that never were thrown to. What would have been the outcome if those open wr's had gotten a chance to catch the ball? How bad would Sheridan have been?

In basketball it's pretty common to dare someone to take a shot if you know they can't shoot. I said stuff like this dating back to Hurts time, it isn't about drawing up a play that hypothetically works. It's about drawing up a play that actually works.

In this case, the key to beating Alabama with Sheridan/Milroe is not to cover all the receivers, it's to shut down Milroe on the ground. Alabama's two best games (Georgia and LSU), Milroe ran all over them. You know what his averages were in the losses? 1.4, .8, .5 and .4. This from someone that averaged 4.3 per rush. These defenses knew how to beat Alabama, and it wasn't by covering the receivers, it was just by stopping Milroe on the ground. Who is responsible to counter that though? Figuring out a way around that? It's the coordinator, he's supposed to outsmart those guys who knew it was alright to leave guys open as long as Milroe wasn't comfortable running around.

College kids are morons. It's herding cats. Just look at the transfer portal. You're not dealing with smart kids making smart choices most of the time, you're dealing with dumb kids making dumb choices. This means you need an offensive coordinator that can deal with things even when you have a bunch of idiots out there doing dumb stuff. You need to be able to achieve with adversity, because that's the only given. There will always be adversity.

So I don't care how someone does when everything is going great, that's easy. Even Locksley looked great when he didn't have adversity, and then when it did hit? It might as well have been a brick wall. So I don't care how anyone performs under ideal circumstances, I care how they perform under the toughest adversity because that's where you win championships.

The way I see it Sheridan got baited into putting it all on Milroe's arm to win games where Milroe's arm was never going to win games. Alabama only handed off 12 times against Michigan and all we're talking about is open receivers. Sounds to me like the gameplan Michigan had worked quite well (even with a backup QB who only attempted 3 passes). Sheridan's? Not so much...