BREAKING Sec additions–Texas, Oklahoma inquire about joining SEC per report

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Yeah, but what they "are" right now is kinda where Bama was before and after Coach Stallings 92 championship. They had not won a NC for a long time and then they have that one great year with Vince Young. Had a few good teams after that (09).
the longest Alabama went with only one national title was 27 years. Texas has pretty much doubled that time span.
 

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To prove my point further… Anyone really want to take a gander how many Big XII titles Texas has? I know @selmaborntidefan knows but I really want everyone that thinks Texas is going drastically improve in a much tougher conference knows. Because it’s really telling when you see that number from 1996 at the end of the Osborne “dynasty” to the present day at how great Texas has been with Vince Young and Colt McCoy and all of these Texas recruits when they were at times better than the SEC.

I mean when you compare it to us from 1982 to 2007 it really shows what Texas is at its best and what Alabama is at its worst.
The Big 12 truly has always been Oklahoma and the little 9 (or 11, depending on era). The league began in 1996. Nebraska's last hurrah was in 1999. Since then, Bob Stoops and Lincoln Riley have run roughshod over that league.
 

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IDK...we'll see. TAMU is finally starting to figure it out. They got the right coach and they've figured out what it takes to compete in this league. Will Texas learn? Who knows?
A&M has a long way to go to prove they've gotten it together. Last year was great, but now they've got to replace a lot, including QB. I realize the same holds true for us. But Fisher has not yet proven he can do that.
 

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I'm in general agreement when we're talking about THE ENTIRE HISTORICAL CONTEXT of college football.

But considered in the context of just the last, oh, 25 years....

LSU has been more successful than Texas has.
Florida has.

Since 1996
Auburn 207 - 110 (.652)
Texas 218 - 95 (.696)


I mean, AUBURN? Texas is 11 games better in the win column and 15 in the loss (so about 13 games better, which in 25 years comes out to 1/2 game per year better).

Then remember that Auburn has played in a conference that produced FOURTEEN national champions in that time.Once could easily argue that the only difference in the records of Texas and Auburn since 1996 is the fact Auburn has 15 more losses - TWELVE to the team that won the national title.

And several of those games were close:
1998 - lost by 8 to Tennessee
2007 - lost by 6 to LSU...on the last play
2009 - lost by 5 to Alabama...in the final minute
2013 - lost by 3 to FSU in the final 12 seconds
2016 - lost by 6 to Clemson
2019 - lost by 3 to LSU

Texas, by contrast, played in a league that since 1996 that produced THREE national champions, including the Horns themselves in 2005. Texas has played the eventual champion three times - 2000 Oklahoma, 2009 Alabama, and 2019 LSU.

Both Texas and Auburn have one Heisman winner since 1996, both surrounded by controversy.
Both have one national championship.
Both got robbed of a title shot once at least in theory (2004 Auburn, 2008 Texas)
Both lost a national championship game.
Both have three conference championships
Texas won their division six times, Auburn five (against much tougher competition)

You have pretty much parallel accomplishments in the last quarter century, maybe more (I just picked an arbitrary date).

Then remember that the state of Texas has about six times as many people in it, and UT is the richest university blah blah blah.

Texas is considered an all-time program because of stuff they did a long time ago. But for the last 25 years, they've basically been Auburn, who nobody will ever confuse with an all-time great program. I'm not saying they're not important and not rich. And maybe if I was Texas A/M, well, Texas looks truly awesome.


But joining the SEC with OU, Texas won't rank any higher than the SIXTH best program in the last 25 years, either. And I think that's the point. They have a big name from money and stuff long ago.


Here's a challenge for you:

other than Vince Young years and the 1969 game vs Arkansas, how many big games can you name that Texas actually WON? LSU has a list of highlights. So does Alabama. So does Oklahoma. And as much as it hurts me to say, so does Nebraska.

But what are the Texas highlights sans Vince Young and 1969?
I'm not trying to become UTx's advocate as an equal all time or recent power vs Bama and OU, just pointing out that they have significant accomplishments mostly in the distant past but the first decade of the 2000s they were the #1 program in win % and did convert that to 1 NC and won 2 mammoth games vs USC. That 10 yr stretch puts them back in even the casual fans' consciousness because it was elite for a decade. But fold that 10yrs into a 25 yr stretch that includes their dismal last 10 and the good stuff gets diluted quickly.

But they are a top 6 or 7 program all time. I don't care for Texas and would rather they not come because it is unlikely to help Alabama and may steal some of their thunder but I do understand the SEC's desire for them. It has shaken up the entire collegiate athletic landscape. Some very well-respected observers have said that this move is the most significant since the UGA/OU TV rights victory in ?'84? It has promoted the SEC from Phillip of Macedon to Alexander the Great :). The SEC's status has been significantly elevated and UTx is the primary reason not OU, though they have certainly added value and more substance than UTx.
 
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A&M has a long way to go to prove they've gotten it together. Last year was great, but now they've got to replace a lot, including QB. I realize the same holds true for us. But Fisher has not yet proven he can do that.
Not to a championship level, but they have steadily improved under Jimbo (who I'm not really a fan of, personally). Saw they are picked #2 by the media in the west.

There's always been a pecking order in the SEC with about half the teams being traditionally strong and the other half being .500 type teams.

I'd say OU will enter as a possible contender. UT is further behind. But just has TAMU has gotten better I think UT will follow suit. It's really hard imagining them being like Vandy or South Carolina after they've been in the league for a few years.
 
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The Big 12 truly has always been Oklahoma and the little 9 (or 11, depending on era). The league began in 1996. Nebraska's last hurrah was in 1999. Since then, Bob Stoops and Lincoln Riley have run roughshod over that league.
That’s more my point. Under Howard and Blake Oklahoma was worse than Texas ever has been at coaching and recruiting, but they got two decent coaches and beat the brakes off Texas.

Texas is not like Alabama. They aren’t just one coach away. They are a whole board of trustees away.
 

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Not to a championship level, but they have steadily improved under Jimbo (who I'm not really a fan of, personally). Saw they are picked #2 by the media in the west.

There's always been a pecking order in the SEC with about half the teams being traditionally strong and the other half being .500 type teams.

I'd say OU will enter as a possible contender. UT is further behind. But just has TAMU has gotten better I think UT will follow suit. It's really hard imagining them being like Vandy or South Carolina after they've been in the league for a few years.
Oh no I don't suspect they'd be on the Vandy/South Carolina level even from day 1. They'll be a tough out. The talent is too much to be otherwise. But I'm just saying they'll squander it. They'll lose 3 or 4 they shouldn't lose. They did this every single year in the Big 12 post Colt McCoy, and even quite a lot before that. It just got a lot worse once Mack Brown trailed off into la la land after we smacked them around in Pasadena.

I mean this is a program that routinely lost to Kansas in the last decade. Maryland beat them 2 straight years. They are a program that is fundamentally broken from the highest levels down. They've been compared to Georgia in this thread. I actually respect Georgia a helluva lot more. And folks should know how much disdain I have for Georgia.
 
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70 to 2005 = 35 years - how is 35 double to 27???
With 1 national title.
1980- 2008 Alabama 1 national title in 28 years
1971-to present day Texas: 1 national title in 50 years
I am saying that longest span Alabama has had with only one national title is 28 years.
Texas while it’s not exactly doubling it. It’s pretty darn close.

edit: I can’t seem to do math this late at night. Lol.
 
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Again we are talking about irrational partners involved. Sinclair does not care about fans as much as the power they hold. If Texas tries to bolt before the contract then I guarantee you that Sinclair is taking them to court and is going to cause considerable pain with holding the rights to the Oklahoma- Texas game.

Sinclair has held the MLB, NBA, and NHL hostage with no ongoing talks. They won’t hesitate to hold Texas and Oklahoma hostage just for the hell of it. The SEC is probably going to have to come to an agreement to show Texas and Oklahoma games on Fox for the immediate future if Sinclair wants to be the jerks they tend to be. It why I still think it’s 2 -3years down the line.
Maybe some polititians might like to look into Sinclair as to anti-trust...
 

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With 1 national title.
1980- 2008 Alabama 1 national title in 28 years
1971-to present day Texas: 1 national title in 50 years
I am saying that longest span Alabama has had with only one national title is 28 years.
Texas while it’s not exactly doubling it. It’s pretty darn close.

edit: I can’t seem to do math this late at night. Lol.
Gotcha...I'm not a math guy either, apparently. :D
 

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That's hard to argue with, honestly. I like that better than two 8 team divisions with Auburn and Bama going to the east. Shifts too much "power" to one side IMO with Bama, Georgia and UF (plus Auburn, UT) - that's 5 of the 6 perennial SEC powers in one division.
From what some say is that you treat A & B as the East and C & D are the West. You play your pod, 2 games from each pod on a two year rotation, and then play a semi finals for the East and West titles before going to the SECCG.
 
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