Burnip apparently forgot the safeword for #84If you need any evidence or affidavits, I'm sure Gary Danielson would be happy to provide ad nauseum coverage of every possible penalty that could have been called!
Seriously, WHY do we always play like that in JHS?
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The Autrey crew, most likely Autrey himself, is the worst officials in the college game. How they are still active is beyond my comprehension.
I'm sure our AD has blackballed the Autrey crew but the fact they still get assigned to us is questionable.
Honestly, I think the SEC office wants UGA to 3-peat... And they know Bama can disrupt that.
I'm sure our AD has blackballed the Autrey crew but the fact they still get assigned to us is questionable.
Honestly, I think the SEC office wants UGA to 3-peat... And they know Bama can disrupt that.
On the Brightside, Saban has won 8 out of his last 10 iron bowls. Probably going to be 9 out of 11 next year. Pretty good for someone who treats it like "Just another game".
I would be interested to play this game mid year and see how they play at JH. I wonder if the change in schedule with Thanksgiving and everything has an effect? The players also look at CNS and his demeanor during the game. The entire game he walked the sidelines with his arms folded. No screaming or yelling when players did stupid things or didn't give the effort he expected. Maybe he needs to set the tone by changing how he approaches the game.
A lot of people downplay this, but Auburn was basically willing to sacrifice a game just to have a better shot at beating Alabama.
Auburn coaches understand that their job security is tied up in this game, the rest of the season really doesn't mean that much.
Thing is, our troubles in JHS predate Saban, so I honestly don't know what kind of correlation we can find. Granted - the Saban teams have been the best or among the best year-in and year-out, certainly better than the Curry or Dubious years, but it makes no sense.
1989 - we're #2 in the nation and weren't really that good (we played above our heads plus the SEC had a bit of a down year beyond the Top 3)...and we lose our shot at a title
1993 - we're leading most of the game and collapse late, Barker goes out with an injury.
1995 - lost that one largely because officials called Curtis Brown's TD out of bounds.
1997 - Ed Scissum
We could have won at a minimum ALL of those last 3 - but weird things.
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But as I've noted for years, there's a psychological component to the whole thing: Auburn will never be able to match Alabama's history on the field. Never, it can never happen. It's too long and too incredible. This creates two kinds of Auburn fans:
1) guys like our own AUDub (and I've met many others), who admit this but live in the now and root for their team like mad, don't diss the reality and are classy. These are the ones we mistreat from time to time (not so much here) that disgust me more at OUR fans than theirs.
2) the other 90%, who are so livid with rage at denying that reality that they make up the dumbest arguments you've ever heard to try and deny it:
- "national championships are popularity contests, they don't really exist"
- "Most Alabama fans never attended so much as one class there"
- "Bama cheats, pays referees, pays players, and the SEC offices are in Birmingham"
- "nearly every Bryant assistant who became a head coach got their teams put on probation (Sherrill, Pell, Ford, Stallings), they learned to cheat from the Master Cheater" (they always exclude former Bryant assistant Pat Dye, but I'm sure that's an honest oversight)
And for Group 2, their life consists of little victories that assuage the inferiority complex like:
- "we'll show them Bama snobs! We gonna make them come play in our sandbox!"
- "let me write this Bleacher Report showing you how Alabama's titles are mostly mythical"
- "I hope Alabama loses in the playoffs"
That inferiority complex trickles down or in this case. It permeates everyone in a position of power at that school from Bobby Lowder to David Housel to Pat Dye to Jay Jacobs to the Cam Newton bagman. But they are MORE UNITED than we are on game day because, in essence, theirs is a one-game season. Let's face it, how often does Auburn go into the Iron Bowl still in the running for the national championship, which now even according to their raging way of viewing, they have to admit exists? They're usually eliminated by October 10, sometimes by September 25. The ONE THING that unites them is beating Alabama.
We don't sink that much emotion into that one particular game - except one time - 2010.
Oh yeah, and what happened in 2010?
Alabama was out of the national title hunt and had only one potential achievement left.
Auburn was in the national title hunt, and we could take them out.
That's why that was the ONE TIME the BDS crowd was so into an Iron Bowl.
Yeah, it's just a theory and I'm no shrink...but I'd say 2010 serves as further evidence given the polar opposite approaches of everything, too.
1989 - we're #2 in the nation and weren't really that good (we played above our heads plus the SEC had a bit of a down year beyond the Top 3)...and we lose our shot at a title
1993 - we're leading most of the game and collapse late, Barker goes out with an injury.
1995 - lost that one largely because officials called Curtis Brown's TD out of bounds.
1997 - Ed Scissum
We could have won at a minimum ALL of those last 3 - but weird things.
==========================
But as I've noted for years, there's a psychological component to the whole thing: Auburn will never be able to match Alabama's history on the field. Never, it can never happen. It's too long and too incredible. This creates two kinds of Auburn fans:
1) guys like our own AUDub (and I've met many others), who admit this but live in the now and root for their team like mad, don't diss the reality and are classy. These are the ones we mistreat from time to time (not so much here) that disgust me more at OUR fans than theirs.
2) the other 90%, who are so livid with rage at denying that reality that they make up the dumbest arguments you've ever heard to try and deny it:
- "national championships are popularity contests, they don't really exist"
- "Most Alabama fans never attended so much as one class there"
- "Bama cheats, pays referees, pays players, and the SEC offices are in Birmingham"
- "nearly every Bryant assistant who became a head coach got their teams put on probation (Sherrill, Pell, Ford, Stallings), they learned to cheat from the Master Cheater" (they always exclude former Bryant assistant Pat Dye, but I'm sure that's an honest oversight)
And for Group 2, their life consists of little victories that assuage the inferiority complex like:
- "we'll show them Bama snobs! We gonna make them come play in our sandbox!"
- "let me write this Bleacher Report showing you how Alabama's titles are mostly mythical"
- "I hope Alabama loses in the playoffs"
That inferiority complex trickles down or in this case. It permeates everyone in a position of power at that school from Bobby Lowder to David Housel to Pat Dye to Jay Jacobs to the Cam Newton bagman. But they are MORE UNITED than we are on game day because, in essence, theirs is a one-game season. Let's face it, how often does Auburn go into the Iron Bowl still in the running for the national championship, which now even according to their raging way of viewing, they have to admit exists? They're usually eliminated by October 10, sometimes by September 25. The ONE THING that unites them is beating Alabama.
We don't sink that much emotion into that one particular game - except one time - 2010.
Oh yeah, and what happened in 2010?
Alabama was out of the national title hunt and had only one potential achievement left.
Auburn was in the national title hunt, and we could take them out.
That's why that was the ONE TIME the BDS crowd was so into an Iron Bowl.
Yeah, it's just a theory and I'm no shrink...but I'd say 2010 serves as further evidence given the polar opposite approaches of everything, too.
It's not limited to Auburn coaches who think this way. My question is, why wouldn't other coaches think this way? I'm guessing that every coach who has beaten us in the last ten years has gotten a raise and a contract extension.
1997 blame should be on Bruce Arians or whoever called that God awful screen play with the game won, not Ed.
It is the AUBURN version of history that says, "Coaches get fired for losing this game" (Adrian Karsten in the 1991 preview).
I'm still waiting for someone to give me the name of the Alabama coach fired for losing to Auburn?
Drew? He won none of his last six games and resigned under pressure
Whitworth? He lost to everyone and Bryant was available.
Bryant? retired
Perkins? left for the NFL
Curry? left to go play the horses at Churchill Downs
Stallings? retired
DuBose? resigned 3 weeks before the game was even played (and won his last 2 IBs btw)
Franchione? resigned
Shula? he wasn't fired because he failed to beat Auburn, he was fired for incompetence
The only Auburn coach I can think of who MIGHT have been fired for failing to beat Alabama was Doug Barfield, and he was already on the hot seat for years anyway. Earl Brown was their Whitworth (3-22-4 but one of those a HUGE upset of us in 1949). Jordan retired, Dye resigned under pressure of NCAA investigation, Bowden got canned midway through 1998, Tubs might or might not have been fired, Chizik was a dead man walking, and Gus actually beat us THREE TIMES.
Seriously, I don't know the name of a single coach at either school ever fired for losing the IB.
There's a lot of myths about the Iron Bowl and MOST of them are Auburn-inspired ones.
I agree, but the larger point was that strange things have happened in that stadium.
Did y'all notice that Angry Saban was gone last night? Sad Grandpa Saban equals us playing the way that we did early in the season. That Saban was back last night and we played the exact same way we did early in the season. A team reflects the character of its leader. We MUST have our angry general back for Georgia.
Bama coaches coach way to conservative in this game, especially down there. Even in the Cam game at T-town, Bama went conservative after the turnover. We got scared and that lost us the 2010 game.
Give them credit, AU is an emotional team but when the opposing team gives them something to fuel that fire, their crowd is a major advantage down there.
Officiating, usually the worst crew imaginable for us gets the call in this game. I mean how many games did Stumpy Wagers call down there and his daughter went to AU. My buddy told me last night Bama would lose the game when he saw what crew was calling the game. He was almost right. The officials did everything they could to ensure AU would win the game.
JHDS is defiantly living rent free in our heads, that contributes.
This may be upsetting to a few of you, but that game just means more to them.
These are just one man’s thoughts.
Give them credit, AU is an emotional team but when the opposing team gives them something to fuel that fire, their crowd is a major advantage down there.
Officiating, usually the worst crew imaginable for us gets the call in this game. I mean how many games did Stumpy Wagers call down there and his daughter went to AU. My buddy told me last night Bama would lose the game when he saw what crew was calling the game. He was almost right. The officials did everything they could to ensure AU would win the game.
JHDS is defiantly living rent free in our heads, that contributes.
This may be upsetting to a few of you, but that game just means more to them.
These are just one man’s thoughts.
Auburn obviously prepped for us likely without spending one second on NMS. Freeze schemed things very well.
Our players played tight, they didn't look their usual selves. They psyched themselves out during the week.
This Autry crew is absolutely atrocious. I had to turn the TV off after that Burton catch was ruled incomplete. I couldn't believe they were doing it again. They have no business being on the field for a major college football game.
Our players played tight, they didn't look their usual selves. They psyched themselves out during the week.
This Autry crew is absolutely atrocious. I had to turn the TV off after that Burton catch was ruled incomplete. I couldn't believe they were doing it again. They have no business being on the field for a major college football game.
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From where I sit, we were way too predictable and conservative on offense; our DL was hammered for most of the night -- I have no idea why; and our LB's and DB's seemed confused much of the time. AU had less yards, 3 turnovers -- to our 0 -- and still almost won the game. We could not get out of our own way offensively. The last play was great...but there is a lot to work on for UGA. We will have to play a close to perfect game to hang with them...but we can.
It’s Tigers! I think they scare the bejesus out of Coach. Always cautious. Maybe he had a bad experience with Mike the Tiger at LSU or some Creole Dark arts master put a hex on him anytime he is around the Tigers . He coaches Auburn and LSU very tight.
Seriously though , Playing Auburn under their last 3 coaches Malzahn,Harsin,and Freeze is like playing a service academy or crazy schemed FCS schools. They all run variations of HS offenses that we don’t see a lot but with much better athletes. That’s my opinion as to why .
That’s the gist of the thread. Why do we play this sloppy in Jordan Hare? The kick six game was #1vs #4 and Bama dominated but let them hang around . 5 possessions in the red zone where we scored 0 points in that game. Makes no sense.
As to this game, and the kid played great all year, but they picked on the guy with the least experience. Designed plays to put him in simulated conflict that resulted in 2 long TDs and a long pass over the middle. Take away those three plays takes away about 100+ yards of their offense and at least 2 TDs IMO. Gary said in the broadcast Freeze told them he had special play designs for Nick’s defense. Probably practiced them all week of the NMSU game .
One more theory I will float. We practiced a lot on Georgia this week the way Auburn practiced on us in their NMSU week. Anyone?
Anyone?
Anyone?
How much did Jimbo make off beating Alabama once?
Having said that, I think it's still heightened at Auburn. Auburn fans hate Freeze right now, but they'd love him if he finished off Alabama. What other fanbase would be happy with the season they've had?
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