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Conservatives downplay Ill. results : News : WSTM NBC3

14.5% showing in a crowded field.

Topic question: What does this say about the reported momentum of the tea party movement? Is this just an outlier, or another reason to believe that mainline GOP isn't quite as receptive to the tea-partiers as originally thought?
 

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Conservatives downplay Ill. results : News : WSTM NBC3

14.5% showing in a crowded field.

Topic question: What does this say about the reported momentum of the tea party movement? Is this just an outlier, or another reason to believe that mainline GOP isn't quite as receptive to the tea-partiers as originally thought?

i'd say 15% is enough to make the major parties take notice which is all i want. that 15% can be enough to change the outcome of an election, so maybe dems and reps will start listening to their concerns and legislating accordingly.
 

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Conservatives downplay Ill. results : News : WSTM NBC3

14.5% showing in a crowded field.

Topic question: What does this say about the reported momentum of the tea party movement? Is this just an outlier, or another reason to believe that mainline GOP isn't quite as receptive to the tea-partiers as originally thought?
One thing is certain. Each side wins something symbolic, and the victory leads to complacency, which brings a downfall.
In 1994, the Republicans clobbered the Democrat party in the House & Senate, fought the President all the way to a balanced budget, then died of success (or maybe from a "What's next" lack of focus.).
Tea partiers will experience (or already are experiencing) the same thing.
 
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One thing is certain. Each side wins something symbolic, and the victory leads to complacency, which brings a downfall.
In 1994, the Republicans clobbered the Democrat party in the House & Senate, fought the President all the way to a balanced budget, then died of success (or maybe from a "What's next" lack of focus.).
Tea partiers will experience (or already are experiencing) the same thing.
Republicans dropped the ball in '94. The Contract With America was a winning issue with middle-America.

But, as we learned then, and are learning with the current bunch in charge: there is no Republican nor Democrat. Only big corporations and their lobbyists, and all three branches of government are owned by them in varying degrees.
 

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Republicans dropped the ball in '94. The Contract With America was a winning issue with middle-America.

But, as we learned then, and are learning with the current bunch in charge: there is no Republican nor Democrat. Only big corporations and their lobbyists, and all three branches of government are owned by them in varying degrees.
Agreed in part. I wonder why corporate America, if they had such power, doesn't do something about the very high corporate tax rate, the matching SS tax, capital gains tax, Sarbanes-Oxley, and all the other taxes and regulations that drive up the cost of business. Certainly they can use their influence to get tax breaks for certain activities, but that only lowers their overall tax burden by tenths of a percent (or may even a couple percent).
 
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And if you don't support big corp's agenda...we'll, take a look at the video of JFK on his Sunday morning drive in Dallas...
His Friday in Dallas didn't turn out so well. I think by Sunday he was chilling in the East Room before heading down to the US Capitol Rotunda.
 
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If things don't change soon it doesn't matter who is running against some of the incumbents as long as it is somebody who hasn't supported this spending spree and health care disaster of late. Polls in AR show that a rock could beat Blanche Lincoln. I think there were like seven polls of 7 different hypothetical challengers to her and everyone of them had her down by 10+.
 

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Agreed in part. I wonder why corporate America, if they had such power, doesn't do something about the very high corporate tax rate, the matching SS tax, capital gains tax, Sarbanes-Oxley, and all the other taxes and regulations that drive up the cost of business. Certainly they can use their influence to get tax breaks for certain activities, but that only lowers their overall tax burden by tenths of a percent (or may even a couple percent).
The ones with influence operate internationally. Domestic taxation does greater harm to the competition.
 

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Republicans dropped the ball in '94. The Contract With America was a winning issue with middle-America.

But, as we learned then, and are learning with the current bunch in charge: there is no Republican nor Democrat. Only big corporations and their lobbyists, and all three branches of government are owned by them in varying degrees.
All big corporations are owned by stockholders, most of whom fall right smack dab in middle-America. When the left hauls out the "big corporation" mantra, all they're doing is stabbing at the heart of America. If you have money in a mutual fund or a 401(k) plan, you are "Big Corporation."

The Contract with America was torpedoed by the Clintonista Regime's "Contract on America" campaign. Gingrich and Dole's mismanagement of expectations on the 1996 budget standoff didn't help, either.
 

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When the left hauls out the "big corporation" mantra, all they're doing is stabbing at the heart of America. If you have money in a mutual fund or a 401(k) plan, you are "Big Corporation."
That's just silly. You're attempting to broaden the definition to the point where it's meaningless. It's like claiming that because you have money in your checking account, you're part of the Banking Industry.

I have money in a 401k, but I don't have any say in the day to day operations of a given company. While my retirement is to a large extent tied to the performance of the companies in my portfolio. I'm not in a position to get a multimillion dollar bonus regardless of a given company's performance. I can't specify a specific company in which my money will be invested . And I sure as hell am not in a position to support or oppose legislation that might help or hinder a company because even if I did know what companies my funds are invested in, those companies might change in two days, and those same policies might be working against me. And of course, my job performance doesn't directly impact the performance of the companies in my portfolio.

So me, part of Big Corporation?



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At the time, I had high hopes that the "Contract with America" would be the difference maker and things would get back on track (reduce deficit spending and waste). But, once the Republicans got the numbers to make a real impact, they got that "deer in the headlights look". What a wasted opportunity.

It is so frustrating. Americans have transended themselves into an entitlement mentality and make their voting decisions based on which candidate promises the most. This mentality will destroy our nation. Unfortunately, I don't see it changing until we have infrastructure collapse. A ten percent unemployment rate is not enough to force change. It may take unemployment in the twenty to twenty five percent rate to make Americans mad enough to force fundamental change in Washington.
 

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At the time, I had high hopes that the "Contract with America" would be the difference maker and things would get back on track (reduce deficit spending and waste). But, once the Republicans got the numbers to make a real impact, they got that "deer in the headlights look". What a wasted opportunity.
Well, the Republican-controlled Congress did balance the budget, which ain't nothing. Clinton fought them every step of the way, but they did it over his cold political carcass.
Then Bush and Karl Rove came into town...
 
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Well, the Republican-controlled Congress did balance the budget, which ain't nothing. Clinton fought them every step of the way, but they did it over his cold political carcass.
Then Bush and Karl Rove came into town...
Which single Republican voted for the budget reconciliation?

Ultimately every Republican in Congress voted against the bill, as did a number of Democrats. Vice President Al Gore broke a tie in the Senate on both the Senate bill and the conference report. The House bill passed 219-213.[1] The House passed the conference report on Thursday, August 5, 1993, by a vote of 218 to 216 (217 Democrats and 1 independent (Sanders (VT-I)) voting in favor; 41 Democrats and 175 Republicans voting against), and the Senate passed the conference report on the last day before their month's vacation, on Friday, August 6, 1993, by a vote of 51 to 50 (50 Democrats plus Vice President Gore voting in favor, 6 Democrats (Lautenberg (D-NJ), Bryan (D-NV), NunnJohnston (D-LA), Boren (D-OK), and Shelby (D-AL) now (R-AL)) and 44 Republicans voting against). President Clinton signed the bill on August 10, 1993.
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[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993"]Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 

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Which single Republican voted for the budget reconciliation?

Ultimately every Republican in Congress voted against the bill, as did a number of Democrats. Vice President Al Gore broke a tie in the Senate on both the Senate bill and the conference report. The House bill passed 219-213.[1] The House passed the conference report on Thursday, August 5, 1993, by a vote of 218 to 216 (217 Democrats and 1 independent (Sanders (VT-I)) voting in favor; 41 Democrats and 175 Republicans voting against), and the Senate passed the conference report on the last day before their month's vacation, on Friday, August 6, 1993, by a vote of 51 to 50 (50 Democrats plus Vice President Gore voting in favor, 6 Democrats (Lautenberg (D-NJ), Bryan (D-NV), NunnJohnston (D-LA), Boren (D-OK), and Shelby (D-AL) now (R-AL)) and 44 Republicans voting against). President Clinton signed the bill on August 10, 1993.
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Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Which single Republican voted for the budget reconciliation?

Ultimately every Republican in Congress voted against the bill, as did a number of Democrats. Vice President Al Gore broke a tie in the Senate on both the Senate bill and the conference report. The House bill passed 219-213.[1] The House passed the conference report on Thursday, August 5, 1993, by a vote of 218 to 216 (217 Democrats and 1 independent (Sanders (VT-I)) voting in favor; 41 Democrats and 175 Republicans voting against), and the Senate passed the conference report on the last day before their month's vacation, on Friday, August 6, 1993, by a vote of 51 to 50 (50 Democrats plus Vice President Gore voting in favor, 6 Democrats (Lautenberg (D-NJ), Bryan (D-NV), NunnJohnston (D-LA), Boren (D-OK), and Shelby (D-AL) now (R-AL)) and 44 Republicans voting against). President Clinton signed the bill on August 10, 1993.
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Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
With a Democrat-controlled Congress, any program to balancing the budget would involve taxing one's way to fiscal responsibility, vice reining in Federal spending. It was akin to telling a lard-butt, "We are going to reduce your weight by doubling your caloric intake and buying you larger pants." Democrats talked a lot of smack about fiscal responsibility, but consistently refused to actually do it by reducing (or even slowing the growth) of Federal program budgets.
The CBO budget projections in November 1994 (the Democrats' own projections) were that the Federal deficit would remain around $200B except 1996 (Presidential election year) when they would dip to $120, then back up to $200B for the rest of the decade.
The Republicans ran on the Contract with America in 1994 (including a Fiscal Responsibility Act, and a line-item veto), and won big.
Over the balance of the Decade, the Republican-controlled Congress fought Bill Clinton tooth and nail and dragged Clinton kicking and screaming to a balanced budget in FY 2000. The Clinton Administration fought against the line-item veto in court and the court, somehow found it unconstitutional.
The Republicans balanced the budget by killing stupid unconstitutional budget line items, and slowing the growth of others, which is the only way to balance the budget. You have to starve The Beast.
Democrats talked smack in 1993. Republicans delivered in FY 2000.
 
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With a Democrat-controlled Congress, any program to balancing the budget would involve taxing one's way to fiscal responsibility, vice reining in Federal spending. It was akin to telling a lard-butt, "We are going to reduce your weight by doubling your caloric intake and buying you larger pants." Democrats talked a lot of smack about fiscal responsibility, but consistently refused to actually do it by reducing (or even slowing the growth) of Federal program budgets.
The CBO budget projections in November 1994 (the Democrats' own projections) were that the Federal deficit would remain around $200B except 1996 (Presidential election year) when they would dip to $120, then back up to $200B for the rest of the decade.
The Republicans ran on the Contract with America in 1994 (including a Fiscal Responsibility Act, and a line-item veto), and won big.
Over the balance of the Decade, the Republican-controlled Congress fought Bill Clinton tooth and nail and dragged Clinton kicking and screaming to a balanced budget in FY 2000. The Clinton Administration fought against the line-item veto in court and the court, somehow found it unconstitutional.
The Republicans balanced the budget by killing stupid unconstitutional budget line items, and slowing the growth of others, which is the only way to balance the budget. You have to starve The Beast.
Democrats talked smack in 1993. Republicans delivered in FY 2000.
I always laugh when the Left tries to give Clinton credit on the budget. History is not a strong point for some. I even went so far as pulling an economic history book off my shelf (because he obviously wasn't paying attention when the events happened live) and showing it to a former lefty friend. He refused to accept it. When I asked for his evidence ........ he changed the subject.
 

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