The Church Thread: Chapter I Verse I

[CrimsonJazz]

Church folks be like:

If you're like me, you know a lot of people like this.

 

[BamaInBham]

Enforcement of the Johnson Amendment would put an end to any church endorsing candidates from the pulpit. This is a move to strengthen the Christian Nationalism movement and involve the government in religious matters. This decision will allow big money donors to further influence the political landscape.

Have you criticized black churches in the past who have openly supported candidates, knowing that they had a free pass?

 

[Huckleberry]

Have you criticized black churches in the past who have openly supported candidates, knowing that they had a free pass?

100%. Not on this site (I don't recall an occasion to do so), but I certainly have in other places, including with cantankerous family members. If religious organizations are going to be "nonprofits", then they should stay out of politics, regardless of party or ideology.

 

[arthurdawg]

I wouldn’t worry myself over one person’s personal opinion.


Easy fix; make contraception over the counter and problem solved. Medicaid shouldn’t be paying for this anyway.

Dead posting risk...

Opill is available over the counter for around 15-20$ per month. It is a progesterone only containing birth control pill that is 91% effective in the real world and 98% effective in ideal conditions.

Combination birth control pills remain prescription only a this time, but are quite cheap at wal-mart. Sprintec is on the 9$ list at Wal-mart for example.

It really doesn't cost that much. Particularly compared to one unwanted or unwise pregnancy that lands in the NICU and runs up a bill in the 250k plus range.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

 

[CrimsonJazz]

How the elite changed its mind on Christianity

It's becoming more and more socially acceptable to be religious in elite intellectual spaces—which could impact how religion is perceived by everyone else.

reason.com

Depending on who you ask, America's young people are experiencing a religious revival. Gen Zers are now more likely to attend church weekly than millennials, with young men in particular leading the return to religious services. While Gen Zers are still more likely to identify as religiously unaffiliated than previous groups, there's evidence that certain kinds of religious devotion are also growing in popularity—earlier this year, Roman Catholic dioceses around the Western world reported spikes in adult conversions.

As the decline in religious attendance has slowed, the past few years have also seen a clear rise in the status of religion. It's becoming more and more socially acceptable to be religious in elite intellectual spaces—something that could have a real impact on how religion is perceived by everyone else.

Religion became cool again among the educated elite once it gained an association with good aesthetics, high art, and sacred music—not Bush-era Republican soft theocracy.

Today, one can belong to the ideas-making class—an aspiring public intellectual or artist—and still be religious, so long as one steers clear of evangelical kitsch. Whether or not a real religious revival is underway in American public life, one thing is clear: The cool kids aren't the smug, strident atheists anymore—they're the Christians.

I found this article to be VERY interesting and it mirrors my own observations. Young Catholics, in particular, seem to be at the forefront for turning back the clock. (Something I would like to see, myself.)

 

[Huckleberry]

Defense Secretary praises pastor who thinks women shouldn't have the right to vote

Pete Hegseth endorsed the views of Doug Wilson, a Christian Nationalist who openly calls for the end of women’s suffrage

www.friendlyatheist.com

Defense Secretary praises pastor who thinks women shouldn't have the right to vote
Pete Hegseth endorsed the views of Doug Wilson, a Christian Nationalist who openly calls for dismantling women’s suffrage

When Barack Obama was running for president in 2008, he was heavily scrutinized for sermons delivered by his then-pastor Jeremiah Wright. News outlets and plenty of bad-faith commentators demanded he account for why he would attend any church with a pastor who dared criticize America. Obama said he didn’t agree with those comments and plainly denounced them, but critics were eager to equate them with his campaign. Months later, Obama resigned his membership in that church.

Now look at what’s happening with Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who attends a church headed up by patriarchal, conspiracy-spewing Christian preacher Doug Wilson—and sends his children to a school affiliated with Wilson.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Defense Secretary praises pastor who thinks women shouldn't have the right to vote

Pete Hegseth endorsed the views of Doug Wilson, a Christian Nationalist who openly calls for the end of women’s suffrage

www.friendlyatheist.com

When Barack Obama was running for president in 2008,

If Hegseth is running for President, that's news to me.

(As far as the "Trump should fire him," well, he never should have hired him, and he should have thrown him deep into a canyon when he invited a reporter onto a classified chat. If THAT doesn't lose you the job as head of the military, don't expect 19th century views that match the President's 19th century views on economics to result in anything).

 

[Huckleberry]

If Hegseth is running for President, that's news to me.

(As far as the "Trump should fire him," well, he never should have hired him, and he should have thrown him deep into a canyon when he invited a reporter onto a classified chat. If THAT doesn't lose you the job as head of the military, don't expect 19th century views that match the President's 19th century views on economics to result in anything).

This level of association with and endorsement of such a despicable character should be enough to disgrace anyone in government, but the GOP lost any such sense of morality years ago. It's simply more evidence of the craven hypocrisy from a party that rarely hesitates to crow about its supposed Christian beliefs.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

If Hegseth is running for President, that's news to me.

(As far as the "Trump should fire him," well, he never should have hired him, and he should have thrown him deep into a canyon when he invited a reporter onto a classified chat. If THAT doesn't lose you the job as head of the military, don't expect 19th century views that match the President's 19th century views on economics to result in anything).

Apparently great hair means your ceiling is unlimited...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

This level of association with and endorsement of such a despicable character should be enough to disgrace anyone in government, but the GOP lost any such sense of morality years ago. It's simply more evidence of the craven hypocrisy from a party that rarely hesitates to crow about its supposed Christian beliefs.

This is my bad in the sense I did not notice the title of the thread. I’m sure you’re aware. I was not defending Hegseth, but given the fact we could find out that Trump financed the sacrifice of infants to Molech and he wouldn’t lose one CHRISTIAN vote, it’s just one more in a long line of frustrations.

This does not fill this seminarian with anything but immense dread for the record.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

This is my bad in the sense I did not notice the title of the thread. I’m sure you’re aware. I was not defending Hegseth, but given the fact we could find out that Trump financed the sacrifice of infants to Molech and he wouldn’t lose one CHRISTIAN vote, it’s just one more in a long line of frustrations.

This does not fill this seminarian with anything but immense dread for the record.

Study says 32 million Christians likely not to vote

A new study by a researcher at Arizona Christian University says 32 million Christians who are regular churchgoers are likely to stay home this election.

azcapitoltimes.com

Found this because I remember this story.

 

[Huckleberry]

Study says 32 million Christians likely not to vote

A new study by a researcher at Arizona Christian University says 32 million Christians who are regular churchgoers are likely to stay home this election.

azcapitoltimes.com

Found this because I remember this story.

Decisive Christian Vote Carries Trump to Historic Victory, Post-Election Research Shows - Arizona Christian University

RC Staff | November 14, 2024 |From the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University Glendale, AZ (November 14, 2024) —New post-election research shows that Christian support was crucial in Donald Trump’s 2024 landslide victory, showing that Christians made up 72% of the...

www.arizonachristian.edu

Here are some post-election numbers from the people who conducted that poll.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Decisive Christian Vote Carries Trump to Historic Victory, Post-Election Research Shows - Arizona Christian University

RC Staff | November 14, 2024 |From the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University Glendale, AZ (November 14, 2024) —New post-election research shows that Christian support was crucial in Donald Trump’s 2024 landslide victory, showing that Christians made up 72% of the...

www.arizonachristian.edu

Here are some post-election numbers from the people who conducted that poll.

Nothing surprising here, but doesn’t address my point. The notion that all self-identified Christians are loyal to Trump is demonstrably wrong.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Man, what a night! Memories were made….

 

[Huckleberry]

Nothing surprising here, but doesn’t address my point. The notion that all self-identified Christians are loyal to Trump is demonstrably wrong.

Who made that statement? I think Selma implied that those Christians who already support Trump seem willing to continue to do so regardless of how unchristian his actions become. That appears to be true for the great majority of them.

I know many Christians who despise Trump, so I agree that the notion you refer to is incorrect.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

One thing everyone's overlooking. "Christian," in this country, has come to have two distinct and mutually exclusionary meanings...

 

[AWRTR]

One thing everyone's overlooking. "Christian," in this country, has come to have two distinct and mutually exclusionary meanings...

That's an interesting thought. How would define those two different exclusionary meanings? I think you are right that there is a split happening within Christianity in America.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

That's an interesting thought. How would define those two different exclusionary meanings? I think you are right that there is a split happening within Christianity in America.

I've never thought about trying to define the branches before. I'd guess one standard would be "tolerant vs. intolerant"...

 

[Padreruf]

There are more than 2 branches of Christianity manifesting themselves in our populous. However, there are 2 underlying forces pushing against one another.

Fundamentalism is based in fear and results in trust only in a literal reading of Scripture and a rigid adherence to theological tenets. Moderate to liberal Christianity is its polar opposite...both of these are trans-denominational.

We are in a cultural time of great insecurity and upheaval -- all that we have "trusted" seems to be crashing down. In such an age it is no surprise that we find such a massive divide in our political scene.