The Decline of the American Media III

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Perino: You have to stop at with the Twitter thing. If I were his wife, I would say you are making a fool of yourself, stop it…
And if you were Donald Trump's wife, your husband would scrog a porn star and pay her for not having sex with her, too.


He's got a big job as governor of California but if he wants an even bigger job, he has to be a little more serious.
Yes, I look at what this White House does and who they appoint and it just oozes seriousness. If by serious you mean "this is satire, right?"

The outrage from the Trump brigade just gets better and better.
What's his thing with bleached blondes?
 
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This is Jon Karl from ABC News. Karl spent years spreading the Russia hoax, the Fine People hoax, and many other hoaxes.

Watch the difference in how Karl covered the raid on Mar-a-Lago versus how he covered the raid on John Bolton's home.

This is Jon Karl. This is ABC Fake News.


You don't hate these people enough.
What horse crap.

Mar a lago was raided after multiple requests from the FBI regarding Trump's possession of classified documents. In addition, the FBI was at the time an independent agency; furthermore, one would be hard pressed to make the argument that Merrick Garland pursued a political agenda while AG.

on the other hand,

Trump put toadies in as AG and FBI director after spending his campaign promising retribution for anyone who had slighted him.

as a reminder:
Ex-national security adviser and Trump critic is fifth in a list of 60 to have been investigated in the last seven months
Mainstream media certainly has its faults, but using these particular instances a examples is the worst kind of bad faith argument. If you can't see the difference, that's your problem, not the media's.
 
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furthermore, one would be hard pressed to make the argument that Merrick Garland pursued a political agenda while AG.
I didn't much care for Garland (seemed like the very definition of a "beta") but he sure did a good job of shutting down the domestic terrorists that were disrupting school board meetings. I agree that wasn't political, it was just something that needed to be done.
 

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What horse crap.

Mar a lago was raided after multiple requests from the FBI regarding Trump's possession of classified documents. In addition, the FBI was at the time an independent agency; furthermore, one would be hard pressed to make the argument that Merrick Garland pursued a political agenda while AG.
Talk about horse crap! Look, this investigation started in 2020 and for reasons known only to the Biden administration, it was stopped. Now it has restarted and obviously there is something there. According to the article linked, two days before the book was released, the NSC advised Bolton's lawyer that the manuscript contained classified information.

Trump put toadies in as AG and FBI director after spending his campaign promising retribution for anyone who had slighted him.
If by slighted, you mean hoax after hoax meant to derail campaigns and interfere with his presidency, then I admit, I have to agree.

And I have no problem with Patel's book, so that article means nothing to me. Then again, nothing written by the Guardian means anything to me.

Mainstream media certainly has its faults, but using these particular instances a examples is the worst kind of bad faith argument. If you can't see the difference, that's your problem, not the media's.
When you hate the media and the establishment as much as I do, it won't come off as a bad faith argument. It only seems that way, because you supported any and all bad faith arguments put forth against a person you hate. Personally, I still maintain that Trump is a **** and always has been. That doesn't change the fact that the coordinated efforts between the media and the establishment parties to side-step the wishes of the electorate is something that I will never agree with or condone. I certainly wouldn't condone such behavior against say.....Obama. My stance would not change one iota.

You know, in a lot of ways, I do get annoyed with the fact that I have to defend Trump as much as I do. It's not because I like him or voted for him. Plainly stated, the forces at play that would do such things are not healthy for our crumbling republic. A media we cannot trust AT ALL is also not good for our country. These are things that if allowed to fester will destroy us as a nation. So if punching back means I have to side with OMB from time to time, so be it.
 
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I didn't much care for Garland (seemed like the very definition of a "beta") but he sure did a good job of shutting down the domestic terrorists that were disrupting school board meetings. I agree that wasn't political, it was just something that needed to be done.
Ooh, ooh and don't forget those nutty TLM Catholics who were obviously trying to bring back the crusades. Thank God this disaster was averted!!
 
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Talk about horse crap! Look, this investigation started in 2020 and for reasons known only to the Biden administration, it was stopped. Now it has restarted and obviously there is something there. According to the article linked, two days before the book was released, the NSC advised Bolton's lawyer that the manuscript contained classified information.
Let's look at the crux of your argument: "Now it has restarted and obviously there is something there." The argument parses out like this:

1. The Trump Administration restarted the Bolton investigation.
2. The Trump Administration is complete trustworthy.
3. Therefore, obviously there's something there.

There is a small problem with this proof.

Investigations stop all the time, usually because they didn't find enough information to warrant a charge. Now, did the Biden administration "decide" to stop the investigation for some other reason? Sure, it's possible. But if so, what is your evidence ("something something something, mushhead Biden" isn't evidence)? Furthermore, WHY would they want to protect Bolton? (again, evidence--or at least coherent logic).

And I have no problem with Patel's book, so that article means nothing to me. Then again, nothing written by the Guardian means anything to me.
Well, of course you wouldn't--they don't have an irrational hatred of themselves.

When you hate the media and the establishment as much as I do, it won't come off as a bad faith argument.
So, it won't come across as a bad faith argument, provided one has the same irrational hatred of the media as you. Got it.

You know, in a lot of ways, I do get annoyed with the fact that I have to
Really? You seem to live for it.
 
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What horse crap.

Mar a lago was raided after multiple requests from the FBI regarding Trump's possession of classified documents. In addition, the FBI was at the time an independent agency; furthermore, one would be hard pressed to make the argument that Merrick Garland pursued a political agenda while AG.

on the other hand,

Trump put toadies in as AG and FBI director after spending his campaign promising retribution for anyone who had slighted him.

as a reminder:


Mainstream media certainly has its faults, but using these particular instances a examples is the worst kind of bad faith argument. If you can't see the difference, that's your problem, not the media's.
To say the FBI was at the time an independent agency is as laughable as saying it is now. The FBI was up to its eyeballs in political theater with the Russia gate stuff. Understand I'm not saying Trump was right to take the documents. I don't think he was, but any assertion that the FBI wasn't biased and weaponized under Obama, Biden, and now Trump is to ignore reality.
 
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To say the FBI was at the time an independent agency is as laughable as saying it is now. The FBI was up to its eyeballs in political theater with the Russia gate stuff. Understand I'm not saying Trump was right to take the documents. I don't think he was, but any assertion that the FBI wasn't biased and weaponized under Obama, Biden, and now Trump is to ignore reality.
Nope, nope, can't agree. It's only weaponized when "they" do it. When we do it, it's to defend democracy.
 
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Investigations stop all the time, usually because they didn't find enough information to warrant a charge.
Maybe when you are talking about investigations undertaken by the police or other law enforcement body I can buy that. However, when the stage is the national political scene then I am of the strong belief that investigations both start AND stop based almost solely on political power. If Biden's AG stopped the investigation it was likely because they were told to stop.
 

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This is Jon Karl from ABC News. Karl spent years spreading the Russia hoax, the Fine People hoax, and many other hoaxes.

Watch the difference in how Karl covered the raid on Mar-a-Lago versus how he covered the raid on John Bolton's home.

This is Jon Karl. This is ABC Fake News.


You don't hate these people enough.
You keep saying Russian Hoax…. But high ranking people within Trump’s campaign were charged during Trump’s presidency for inappropriate dealings with the Russian government during the election. Russian citizens were kicked out of this country for trying to influence the election towards Trump. Then when their day in court approached there all of the sudden were no prosecutors because they knew a pardon was coming from Trump. So it’s extremely disingenuous to call everything about the Russian involvement in the 2016 a “hoax” when there is verifiable proof and formal charges pointing towards there being something.
 

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You keep saying Russian Hoax…. But high ranking people within Trump’s campaign were charged during Trump’s presidency for inappropriate dealings with the Russian government during the election. Russian citizens were kicked out of this country for trying to influence the election towards Trump. Then when their day in court approached there all of the sudden were no prosecutors because they knew a pardon was coming from Trump. So it’s extremely disingenuous to call everything about the Russian involvement in the 2016 a “hoax” when there is verifiable proof and formal charges pointing towards there being something.
Yes, I was wondering when someone was going to point out to him that:
a) Mueller established over ONE HUNDRED contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign
b) Paul Manafort and George Pappadopolous both went to jail over this "hoax" (Trump pardoned both)
c) Roger Stone and Michael Flynn had their own problems.
d) Manafort - like so many Trump boot licking lawyers - was disbarred

But yeah, it was a "hoax."

If you don't want to be thought an apologist for a cretin, don't use the verbiage of the cretin to defend the cretin.

Trump himself was only not charged because of the DOJ guidelines.

In short, the entire assessment of Trump's campaign was, "These clowns tried to collude but were too stupid to know how to collude."
 
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