I don't know if Biden in two years will be able to do anything or not, but I'm glad we don't have that situation with him. I also don't know if the current President will be able to do anything in 2 years either. I do know around the 6th year of Reagan's presidency, he was not half the man he was at the start of his presidency, and that his decline started before his first term ended. Both Reagan and Biden had clearly declined by the end of their first Presidency, and that they both were hidden from the public and neither were probably right for a second term. The same goes for the current President, for oh so many reasons, which I won't tire my fingers out typing right now.
The Decline of the DNC III
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Here's the bill in question:
AB 930: Elections and voting procedures. | Digital Democracy
Digital Democracy overview of bill AB 930: Elections and voting procedures.
My guess is that it's the same language used elsewhere, probably even in other states.
In other words, more opportunistic railing against the demon du jour.
Amazed that he didn't also claim that the bill would allow dead people to serve on the board. Or brain-dead republicans. Or rabid animals. But I repeat myself.
A large part of the problem is that a significant percentage of the country would rather be focused on a hypothetical that someone in a previous administration might have been willing to do "undemocratic" things instead of focusing on the fact that NUMEROUS PEOPLE IN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION ARE LITERALLY DOING NUMEROUS UNDEMOCRATIC THINGS ON A DAILY BASIS (!!!).
Biden aides were willing to do ‘undemocratic things’ to keep faltering president in power: ‘Original Sin’ author
Biden’s staffers felt justified in “picking up the slack” for the faltering president and shielding him because they viewed President Trump as an “existential threat” to democracy, he charged.…nypost.com
What a mess. The Republicans are going to have to mess up bigly before the Dems recover from this. Eventually they will; voters have very short attention spans, but this feels like something that might stick for a while.
Until that changes, I am not sure what dems can really do. Their messaging desperately needs improvement, but your messaging doesn't matter if a not-small subset of the population refuses to listen anyway. Kinda like how you can't help an addict who doesn't want help...
There isn't anything the Dems can do and the problem isn't their messaging. They get their points across just fine, but when they consistently take the wrong side on every 80/20 issue, maybe their messaging is a little too good.
In any case, much of this feels familiar because when Dems are in power, establishment Reps are equally inept. Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham both make me think that Republicans hate winning because now they are expected to get up off their fat asses and actually DO something besides campaign for donations. It's a lot easier to scare your donors when the "other side" is running things.
Got to hire someone to do the job (counting votes) that Americans dont want to do anymore...
I don't disagree with you that this is a valid point. However, it falls in the court of public opinion when someone conveniently opts for "nobody is above the law" ONLY when it is someone in the opposing part. That isn't the fault of Democrats or Republicans except for the fact the get along/go along has been established. (Replacing the guy who won the nomination the way they did - I mean, I shouldn't have to explain how that undercuts any appeals to democracy).
I would say with butchering sarcasm, "You know, the biggest reason nobody out there believes you Democrats actually give a damn about the cops on January 6th that you now hide behind is the fact that every single time one of them LEGITIMATELY shoots 'an unarmed black man' (Obama's own Justice Dept on the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson), Democrats will STILL SIDE with the black guy over the cop. Literally the only time you've ever sided with the police you wanted to defund is the moment something happened that you didn't like."
Now, of course, there are some problems even in what I just said (not every Democrat supported "defund the police" for example), but that right there in a nutshell is the problem. And the Democratic response ever since the 1968 election is to say, "You're a racist".....and lose elections. The party as a whole spent half a century demonizing cops but now wants to be taken seriously as a party of law and order (against white people).
We can make this same point against the Republicans, indeed it's a big reason GHW Bush lost in 1992. He spent four years ignoring a faltering economy with rising unemployment while traveling the world - and the optics made him look like a guy who didn't care about domestic politics. BOTH PARTIES have this problem - but the one out of power is always the one written about, too.
The problem isn't their MESSAGING, it's their positions on (some) issues:
The vast majority of folks don't approve of porous borders that Biden DID approve, and the only thing to say in response to "deport the illegals" is to: a) NOT call them illegals; b) call anyone wanting a tighter border even without a wall a "racist".
The vast majority of folks are sick and tired of reading stories about how this girl who used to be a boy just set state track records in girl's track meets when they couldn't even make the boys team - even if they think Ts should be otherwise left alone to live and let live. Why in the world can't someone speak up on that one? (Seth Moulton gave this one away days after the election and so did - IIRC - Jon Tester on Bill Maher's show). The chicken response, "Well, there's only a dozen of these cases" begs the question from normal people, "And you lack the spine to speak up against 12 people - but you want to control the nuclear arsenal?"
Those are the just the most obvious that come to mind. Democrats right now have the "reverse Barry Goldwater" problem. A few of Goldwater's ideas in 1964 were popular, you can find articles supporting that. The problem - and where the Democrats (pardon the pun) blew him up (LOL!)....was they made sure the electorate knew, "You're not just picking the guy you like on this issue, you're picking the guy who will blow up the world and destroy Social Security."
having said that...issues aren't nearly as important behind national security and economy as everyone likes to pretend.
Bill Clinton won on economics.
So did Barack Obama.
And to be honest - so did Joe Biden, running in the teeth of Covid.
But come up with something better than the Green New Deal.
Probably so.
I mean, let's say for the sake of argument you have illegals working at the polling booth. What exactly does that even mean? Unless they have some sort of magical power to change votes, this is irrelevant. Democrats are not winning California left and right because of who's counting the votes. Using that logic, maybe Harris won Mississippi (you know, lotta black voters there) but the white crackers working the polling place flipped votes (everyone see how it works?)
I remember being enraged in that 36-day interregnum known as Bush v Gore in 2000. My dad was the same age then that I am now, and he would listen to me rant about how Gore was going to steal the election and cook the books, yadda yadda. And then he said, "I've worked elections. Let me give you some advice: go work an election and you'll find pretty much everything you're saying has been taken into account and addressed." His basic point was that YES, some sheriff in a crooked county can steal an election but the idea Gore's lieutenants were ever going to get that to come out his way, he never bought that for a minute. The one thing I found problematic was that a vote counted in the same precinct in the morning would be not a vote but would be in the afternoon. That was my issue, but even his "if they hand count it, the outcome is going to be the same" was interesting.
I have no idea if he thinks Biden stole it in 2020 or not.
I think it is a mistake to normalize what is happening as "ho-hum, just another day in American politics." We are experiencing unprecedented attempts to consolidate power, challenges to (if not outright defiances of) our systems of governance, and frankly, assaults on our constitution...
It is already normalized. This warning would have been appropriate 25 years ago. The only way out of this morass is revolution and buddy, that ain't happening. And you're definitely not gonna fix this mess with voting, that's for damn sure.
You do not get to pretend that Donald Trump - and only Donald Trump - did not throw the entire electoral system into turmoil with 60-plus frivolous lawsuits, false claims that got lawyers disbarred and FAKE ELECTORAL certificates and then inspired his lunatic base to invade the US Capitol and claim one guy could flip the election results.
That did not happen 25 years ago.
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SCOTUS made a ruling this week in support of Big Oil by narrowing the scope of the National Environmental Policy Act, and of course the Democratic Party is mostly silent about it. This kind of liberal negligence isn't a bug, it's a feature. They play dumb so the billionaires win.
Election loss excuses are among my favorites:
Tim Walz claims Trump's 2024 victory was a 'primal scream' from angry voters
Bernie Sanders blames election loss on Kamala Harris choosing billionaires over the working class | The Independent
Biden rejects age concerns, blames Kamala Harris' loss on sexism and racism | AP News
Democrats blame everything but themselves for losing - The Fulcrum
They lost because it was a primal scream from voters.
They lost because they listened to billionaires
They lost because racism and misogyny.
They lost because of consultants.
They lost because of the war in Gaza.
They lost because of Joe Biden's health.
They lost because the answer to "where the white women at" was "voting for Trump."
They lost because "America is a flawed country."
They lost because "Trump is a unique phenomenon" (funny - they said that with Reagan, too).
Each one of those probably does have some elements of truth to it. But if she'd just flipped 106K voters in MI, WI, and PA and won, those very same people wouldn't be saying ANY of this stuff. America would - miraculously - become a "great" country and the only mention of racism/misogyny would be "she would have won the popular vote if she was a white male."
To be fair, Bernie (who I regard as little more than a bitter and angry old man who fires out broadsides from the safety of the fact he'll never lose in Vermont or be held accountable anywhere else) and Walz both grant the problem is that the Democrats (however they did it) angered the voters.
Tim Walz claims Trump's 2024 victory was a 'primal scream' from angry voters
Bernie Sanders blames election loss on Kamala Harris choosing billionaires over the working class | The Independent
Biden rejects age concerns, blames Kamala Harris' loss on sexism and racism | AP News
Democrats blame everything but themselves for losing - The Fulcrum
They lost because it was a primal scream from voters.
They lost because they listened to billionaires
They lost because racism and misogyny.
They lost because of consultants.
They lost because of the war in Gaza.
They lost because of Joe Biden's health.
They lost because the answer to "where the white women at" was "voting for Trump."
They lost because "America is a flawed country."
They lost because "Trump is a unique phenomenon" (funny - they said that with Reagan, too).
Each one of those probably does have some elements of truth to it. But if she'd just flipped 106K voters in MI, WI, and PA and won, those very same people wouldn't be saying ANY of this stuff. America would - miraculously - become a "great" country and the only mention of racism/misogyny would be "she would have won the popular vote if she was a white male."
To be fair, Bernie (who I regard as little more than a bitter and angry old man who fires out broadsides from the safety of the fact he'll never lose in Vermont or be held accountable anywhere else) and Walz both grant the problem is that the Democrats (however they did it) angered the voters.
HOLY SMOKES: CNN veteran pollster is completely FLABBERGASTED by new polling that reveals how Democrats are failing even FURTHER behind. "How is that possible, Democrats?!" "Democrats have traditionally been the party of the middle class. NO MORE...! Adios, amigos!" BRUTAL.
Dems threw away the working class in favor of gender/race ideology and are genuinely surprised by the results. This is a HISTORICAL fail. And rather than correct course, they double down on their stupid ideology and blame “bad messaging” when it fails AGAIN. These people are unbelievable.
OK, now do POTUS saying "stuff that didn't happen." Oh yeah, that would be a full-time job.
But "both sides..."
Part of it is the simple fact Trump's solutions are the exact same kind you get at the bar from that construction worker you share a beer with after work.
Part of it is the simple fact that the average voter doesn't have the first idea how any single program in Washington actually works - and they have not been hurt by cuts. Yet.
Part of it - yes - is the fact you have more public voices in the era of the Internet/social media from "not white" people. (I think this is overstated and a simplistic objection on the part of Team Blue, but I don't deny it's reality, either).
And part of it is there IS with almost every President a core base of cultic devotees. The ones who don't manage to lock in the "it doesn't matter what he does" base - Carter, Bush 41, Biden/Harris - they can win election, but they will lose reelection.
Let me tell you the part I personally find REALLY stupid: if Trump would just sit down and shut up and leave stuff alone, the economy was already on its own correction course from the high inflation that - YES - was the result of the Trump pandemic and Biden's $1.9 TRILLION spending bill. If he'd simply go out and play golf, the economy would pretty much right itself as far as growth and the cycle goes.
Check the thread title. You wanna point out Trump's bullcrap, be my guest. There are several appropriate threads for doing such.
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