The Decline of Western Civilization

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Indeed, its because both parties have primaried and gerrymandered their way into electing their cranks into power who literally have no concept much less respect for what America is...








Bishop Barron knocks it out of the park here. Western Civilization is dying before our very eyes and the Kirk assassination is just more proof of it.
 
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Indeed, its because both parties have primaried and gerrymandered their way into electing their cranks into power who literally have no concept much less respect for what America is...
Western Civilization is a hell of a lot more than just America and her political issues. Europe is a hot mess and IMO, the problems there are a lot worse than ours (for now.) That is why I created this thread in the first place. What happened to Kirk is just another symptom or sign of a dying age.
 
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Bishop Barron knocks it out of the park here. Western Civilization is dying before our very eyes and the Kirk assassination is just more proof of it.
I spoke to my son about this.
He said Socrates taught that way because he was not teaching Persians. Also, there was a shared commitment to principles such as love of the country and belief that it was superior to the alternatives, a commitment to having an open mind and freely engaging in debate.
I'm not sure any of those principles apply to the United States today, at least not nearly universally.
If you divide society into groups and posit that there are either victims or oppressors, those ideas tend to undermine the principles. "If America is an oppressor state, why should I love it? Is it not inferior to the alternatives? The victory of the victims over the oppressors depends on having a ruthlessly disciplined mind and suppressing the oppressor's ability to speak. Don't tolerate the intolerant."
There are a lot of people in these United States who believe stuff like this.
 
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Western Civilization is a hell of a lot more than just America and her political issues. Europe is a hot mess and IMO, the problems there are a lot worse than ours (for now.) That is why I created this thread in the first place. What happened to Kirk is just another symptom or sign of a dying age.
You bring up a good question, where is "the West?" I would say Western Europe, North America, Australia/New Zealand and that's about it. If each of those is screwed up like a soup sandwich, then where else does "the West" reside?
 
Fear and Dread and how America got to this point.

We immediately mentioned 9/11 and the economic collapse of 2008, both of which galvanized an aching sense of vulnerability. If JFK’s assassination marked the loss of American innocence, those events symbolized the withering sense of safety and security.

We agreed that the Iraq War and COVID-19 intensified the growing belief that our government was not only incompetent but dishonest.

The BLM riots of 2020 and the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol suggested that the center was no longer holding, that passionate intensity was overwhelming reason.

A friend said the rise of social media may be an even more important factor, noting how it has helped create political echo chambers in a strange space of connected loneliness that makes it harder for us to relate to others. It may still be true that “no man is an island,” but we seem to be trying. Our growing mental health crisis, especially among younger Americans, is hard to explain without reference to this phenomenon.

The fear, mistrust, anger, division, and violence – it was all there. Still, it struck us that these events were more flashpoints than triggering events, which did not adequately capture how and why our nation appears to have gone off the rails. Individuals and countries can respond to what life throws at them in any number of ways – with courage or cowardice, love or hate. The question became: Why have these and many other events unleashed darkness instead of light?
 
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‘Tax the Rich,’ French Protesters Cry, as the Wealthy Push Back on Paying More
With a budget crisis looming, a proposal for a tax on ultrahigh-wealth individuals has grass-roots support, but it adds conflict to an already fragmented political landscape.

As the French took to the streets on Thursday in another mass protest against a government austerity plan, one phrase was on everybody’s lips: Tax the rich.

With a budget crisis looming, lawmakers with the power to bring down President Emmanuel Macron’s third government in a year are demanding that the very wealthy pay more to help fix France’s finances — nearly eight years after Mr. Macron cut taxes on rich individuals and on companies to make the country more business friendly.

But the tax plan, which would place a new 2 percent levy on assets above 100 million euros (about $118 million), is roiling an already fragmented political landscape.

The tax plan, created by and named after the French economist Gabriel Zucman, has become a totem of France’s Socialist and left-leaning parties, which say it will plug France’s ballooning deficit and address inequality. Businesses and right-leaning parties are warning of an economic calamity.

“This would be a terrible obstacle to investment and risk-taking for businesses,” said Patrick Martin, the head of France’s largest employers’ network, Medef. France already has some of the highest taxes in Western countries, he added, and “introducing this tax would be a form of plunder.”

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The issue has reached critical mass after Mr. Macron’s government fell yet again last week over an austerity budget seeking €44 billion in spending cuts. A recent report from France’s auditor, Cour de Comptes, showed that the country’s finances have been deteriorating in part because Mr. Macron’s tax cuts for businesses and wealthy individuals have resulted in €50 billion in lost revenue annually to the treasury.

Nearly all French political parties, with the exception of Mr. Macron’s and a group of conservative and far-right politicians, have tapped into a wave of resentment against “les riches” — executives, bankers and entrepreneurs whose fortunes are seen as scandalous in a country where the inequality divide touches a cultural nerve that stretches back to the French Revolution.
 
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“You are quite openly Jewish”

“If you choose to remain here you will be arrested for breaching the peace”

In Sadiq Kahn’s diverse & inclusive London - Police threaten you with arrest just for being Jewish in areas of the City people might take offence to that.


Holy crap, you guys......I mean, HOLY CRAP! I've re-watched this several times and I simply cannot believe what I am hearing.
 
“You are quite openly Jewish”

“If you choose to remain here you will be arrested for breaching the peace”

In Sadiq Kahn’s diverse & inclusive London - Police threaten you with arrest just for being Jewish in areas of the City people might take offence to that.


Holy crap, you guys......I mean, HOLY CRAP! I've re-watched this several times and I simply cannot believe what I am hearing.
Absolutely infuriating and despicable.
 
BREAKING - It has been revealed by the Heritage Foundation that when Elon Musk purchased Twitter, Hillary Clinton flew overseas to Berlin and called on the European Union to use the Digital Services Act to force him into censoring American citizens on the platform.



Do you have source for this accusation other than Turley? Who has a habit of accusing Billary with flimsy to no evidence.
 
Do you have source for this accusation other than Turley? Who has a habit of accusing Billary with flimsy to no evidence.
Here's a link to the article being referenced here (published on The Hill over a year ago.)


I've yet to hear any lawsuits, pushback or denials and it's not like Turley is some anonymous putz posting on random message boards. And even if Billary denied the accusation, what sort of half-wit would believe anything either of them said? I'll be curious to follow this story since its resurrection to see what else is out there. I'll update as it comes in. Hopefully the story doesn't fizzle out.
 
Here's a link to the article being referenced here (published on The Hill over a year ago.)


I've yet to hear any lawsuits, pushback or denials and it's not like Turley is some anonymous putz posting on random message boards. And even if Billary denied the accusation, what sort of half-wit would believe anything either of them said? I'll be curious to follow this story since its resurrection to see what else is out there. I'll update as it comes in. Hopefully the story doesn't fizzle out.

I found that article and the Hilary tweet suggesting that they should use the DSA to counter false information... But I don't see where she flew to Europe to encourage them to censor Americians. You'd have to be a no-wit to believe anything the Heritage Foundation promotes.

And Europe can do what they want under their laws, they aren't obligated to follow our Constitution. And if they want to regulate false and defamatory information on their shores so be it. That is a problem for Musk and X to figure out. If he doesn't want to follow the laws then I guess he can restrict X to the US and countries that have regulations he finds appropriate and allow Grok to continue to promote its Nazi viewpoints.
 

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