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I have a friend who is undoubtedly a yankee who claims that Alabama & coach Bryant are a thing of the past, and that we are the only ones who uphold coach Bryant upon a pedestal. Of course i was as much outraged as I was enraged that some one had the audacity to attack OUR COACH , as he did. However before I could go into the depths of what a great man as well as coach that Bryant was he had to "leave". I will of course engage and defeat him at this argument the next time we meet. However, I felt it a duty to report this information to my tide brethren and also ask YOU for what reasons made Paul "Bear" Bryant the greatest of all time.

P.S. the fellow I am in debate with is one of the best people I have ever known, but is somewhat backward when it comes to College Football.
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He's a yankee. Nuff said.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cbfactor:
I have a friend who is undoubtedly a yankee who claims that Alabama & coach Bryant are a thing of the past, and that we are the only ones who uphold coach Bryant upon a pedestal. Of course i was as much outraged as I was enraged that some one had the audacity to attack OUR COACH , as he did. However before I could go into the depths of what a great man as well as coach that Bryant was he had to "leave". I will of course engage and defeat him at this argument the next time we meet. However, I felt it a duty to report this information to my tide brethren and also ask YOU for what reasons made Paul "Bear" Bryant the greatest of all time.

P.S. the fellow I am in debate with is one of the best people I have ever known, but is somewhat backward when it comes to College Football.
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A good way to explain why you feel like you do is do a little research about what Coach Bryant's peers thought about coaching against him. I suggest citing some data that you can get from a few sites on the web:

http://bryant.ua.edu/

http://www.angelfire.com/al/bamacrimsontide/bearbryant.html

http://www.prideofthetide.com/index.html

When it is all said and done,Bama_197 said it well, it will be like talking to a stump. Facts mean little to stumps unless it is a bulldozer about to pu**** out of the ground.



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My reason JoePa or Bobby B. are not as good as Bear is simple fact: Maryland, Kentucky, Texas A&M and Bama were on bottom when Bear arrived. Yet he had only one losing season and made winners out of them while he was there. I know of no other coach who has done this. And I didn't even mention NC's or conference titles!
 
The "greatest" coach is about like the greatest quarterback. You could argue forever on the subject and get no where.

To me the bottom line is did they win wherever they were? And to what degree did they "win". There are a lot of great coaches that never won a championship. They were at places that just didn't produce bring in the talent yet the coach decided to stay there his entire career.

Bear won wherever he went. But so did a lot of other coaches. I think Bear is one of the greatest coaches of all times but to name THE GREATEST COACH is like ****ing in the wind.

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"What the Patriots did to Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison in the AFC championship game was remind us again that whatever else football is, it is first a contest of man-to-man physical strength. He who hits hardest, fastest and most often wins."-Dave Kindred
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by blindbuzzard:
The "greatest" coach is about like the greatest quarterback. You could argue forever on the subject and get no where.

To me the bottom line is did they win wherever they were? And to what degree did they "win". There are a lot of great coaches that never won a championship. They were at places that just didn't produce bring in the talent yet the coach decided to stay there his entire career.

Bear won wherever he went. But so did a lot of other coaches. I think Bear is one of the greatest coaches of all times but to name THE GREATEST COACH is like ****ing in the wind.

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Please enlighten us. What in the world does performing a bodily function under adverse weather conditions have to do with determining the relative abilities of football coaches?
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TommyMac:
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I guess what I mean is that it serves no purpose and gets you no where. I've been down this conversational road many times when talking about "greatest qb", "greatest professional franchise", "greatest athlete", "greatest coach" etc. It is a subjective topic with no absolute answer. The "greatest" whatever or whomever depends on who you talk to.

You can lay out all the "facts" you want such as wins/losses etc, conditions the player/coach/franchise were under etc. and it still doesn't do any good. For every "fact" you can state to support your "greatest" candidate, someone else can do the same about their "greatest" candidate and the debat goes on. Nothing ever gets truly resolved and no definite answer comes about. It is an opinion.



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"What the Patriots did to Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison in the AFC championship game was remind us again that whatever else football is, it is first a contest of man-to-man physical strength. He who hits hardest, fastest and most often wins."-Dave Kindred
 
I think you have to separate the history of college football @ the post WWII era. There were alot of great coaches way back there but I have no idea how you compare them to coaches in what I'll call the modern era.

From '46 on I'd name the following & probably put the Bear @ the top:

Paul Bryant
Charles "Bud" Wilkinson
John McKay
Frank Leahy
Joe Paterno
Darryl Royal
Bobby Dodd
Frank Broyles
Barry Switzer
Woody Hayes
Bo Schembeckler (sp?)
Bob Devaney
Tom Osborne
Bill Snyder

These are not in any order except I would put Bryant & Wilkinson one & two, respectively.
 
Most people who discount Bryant try to put Paterno or B.Bowden at the top of that list.

Well, Bryant was Bowden's teacher. And Paterno, whenever asked about Bryant, will tell you how great he was. I don't know what Bud Wilkinson had to say about Bryant but I bet he respected him.

After those four coaches, there's a pretty substantial drop-off to everybody else. Knute Rockne, I think, gets a lot of credit he may or may not deserve. It's just a shame his career was a short one, because otherwise he may have made the list.

My personal top bunch:

1) Bryant
2) Paterno
3) Wilkinson
4) B.Bowden
5) Wallace Wade
6) Gen. Neyland
7) Frank Thomas
8) Bobby Dodd
9) Daryl Royal

There are about 10 guys who could fit in the number 10 slot, including McKay, Devaney, Osborne, Jimmy Johnson, Switzer, Vince Dooley, Bob Stoops, Steve Spurrier, Leahy and Broyles.



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I thought about Neyland & probably should have included him. Also, there's a tendency to think only about D-1 coaches, but Eddie Robinson @ Grambling, & Big John Merritt @ Tennessee State were both great.

It's too early to include Bob Stoops. Assuming he stays @ O.U for a long enough time to build on his already impressive resume, he'll definitely deserve consideration.
 
Wallace Wade and Frank Thomas are much more worthy than Bo Shembecheler or Bill Snyder. Wade and Thomas both won multiple NC's while Bo and Snyder have none. (Yes, there was college football before the AP took notice of it.)
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by blindbuzzard:
I guess what I mean is that it serves no purpose and gets you no where. I've been down this conversational road many times when talking about "greatest qb", "greatest professional franchise", "greatest athlete", "greatest coach" etc. It is a subjective topic with no absolute answer. The "greatest" whatever or whomever depends on who you talk to.

You can lay out all the "facts" you want such as wins/losses etc, conditions the player/coach/franchise were under etc. and it still doesn't do any good. For every "fact" you can state to support your "greatest" candidate, someone else can do the same about their "greatest" candidate and the debat goes on. Nothing ever gets truly resolved and no definite answer comes about. It is an opinion.

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Look it...Maryland et al aside, Coach Bryant
won and he won in the SEC. Furthermore EVERY SINGLE week he and his squads had big bullseyes on their collective backs. EVERY SINGLE week EVERY team attempted to play the game of their life's, coaches planned their tails off to knock Alabama off. The Alabama game was the game of the year for all of them. All Coach Bryant did was win championships in the midst of all of that. If anyone thinks that Mississippi States game of the year was against Ole Miss, think again. ROLL TIDE ROLL !!
 
Museums, Books, Trophies, National Championships, Children, and God knows what else named after him. And yet anothere Yankee thinks it's not him.
Maybe you should associate with a better crowd.
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I guess the best way to kinda settle it is to answer this question..........

If you were the AD at a major program and you were in the market for a new HC and you could magically have any of them early in their careers and they'd stay as long as you wanted them........Who would you take?

Betcha Coach Bryant wins that poll easily.
 
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