Trump's Policies Part 2

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Jesse Watters says he has a friend who is a veteran who is afraid they are going to fired because they are probationary employee at the Pentagon: Veterans should get priority. Because if you're going to go out there and kill enemies, put your life on the line, you should not be in the same category as people that are doing DEI.
 
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"Most likely Hispanic."

My goodness, every single one of you guys are making assumption that we have no answers for because the article doesn't say. Which, by the way, is a poorly written article no matter which side of the fence you are on, whose goal was reactions just like the ones in this thread.

People need to back away for a moment and wait for more to come out, if it ever does. Y'all know we will move on to some other subject in a few posts anyway and probably never hear about this again.
Given the media's infatuation with throwing the grenade out there even if only a Roman candle goes off, I endorse this post wholeheartedly.

The media can't even tell me who the pilots were whose plane crashed in Toronto this week.
Identifying who was flying a plane full of passengers is so easy I knew who Sully was within minutes.
 
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CNN Poll: Americans worried by Trump’s push to expand power


A broad majority feel the president isn’t doing enough to address the high prices of everyday goods. And 52% say he’s gone too far in using his presidential power, with similar majorities wary of his push to shutter federal agencies and elevate Elon Musk to a prominent role in his efforts to reshape the government.

….Americans divide on Trump’s performance in office thus far, with 47% approving and 52% disapproving, below the start-of-term ratings for any recent presidency other than his own.


Apparently the near-unanimous enthusiasm for Trump’s policies by the non-Democrats on this board isn’t shared by the majority of Americans. It seems that some people are waiting on him to actually do something about the economy rather than saber rattle at our allies while cozying up with those who should be adversaries. And the haphazard and reckless way Trump and Elon are going about reshaping the government to serve their own interests isn’t so popular either.
 

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"Prices will come down day one" ...

Still waiting.

And 52% say he’s gone too far in using his presidential power, with similar majorities wary of his push to shutter federal agencies and elevate Elon Musk to a prominent role in his efforts to reshape the government.
Trump really does run his administration like a mob family. Elon is his Sonny.
 
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A broad majority feel the president isn’t doing enough to address the high prices of everyday goods. And 52% say he’s gone too far in using his presidential power, with similar majorities wary of his push to shutter federal agencies and elevate Elon Musk to a prominent role in his efforts to reshape the government.
He got elected - basically - because of inflation, which is a $10 word for "prices."

That being said, I'm glad for the first time in world history a pair of billionaires care about the middle class.
 

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He got elected - basically - because of inflation, which is a $10 word for "prices."

That being said, I'm glad for the first time in world history a pair of billionaires care about the middle class.
It kind of does make sense (in a self-serving sort of way.) Billionaires didn't get rich because the Easter Bunny left them one hell of an Easter basket one Sunday morning. They have a product or service that people want. The more money we have to spend ourselves, the more we can give to the fat cats who manipulate us through God-awful marketing. When consumers are doing well, the billionaires are making even more money.

Some time ago, Musk got on X and asked if anyone would be interested in a cell phone/service produced and operated by Starlink. The responses were overwhelming. He sees the potential for profit here and he knows it's only a matter of time before much of the money he "helps" get back for us winds up in his own pocket. One doesn't need to be an economist to see how consumers having more money eventually benefits the upper 1%.
 
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It kind of does make sense (in a self-serving sort of way.) Billionaires didn't get rich because the Easter Bunny left them one hell of an Easter basket one Sunday morning. They have a product or service that people want. The more money we have to spend ourselves, the more we can give to the fat cats who manipulate us through God-awful marketing. When consumers are doing well, the billionaires are making even more money.

Some time ago, Musk got on X and asked if anyone would be interested in a cell phone/service produced and operated by Starlink. The responses were overwhelming. He sees the potential for profit here and he knows it's only a matter of time before much of the money he "helps" get back for us winds up in his own pocket. One doesn't need to be an economist to see how consumers having more money eventually benefits the upper 1%.
It all sounds fine and good.

The problem is that the political system - how many times are we going to have to go through this? - doesn't function like a business. It would be nice if it could, but tossing folks out of work at pretty much any decent level results in the loss of taxpayer revenue that the employed person was paying and ALSO the loss of money the government is now paying out to an unemployed person. It doesn't work like if my hospital decides to fire me from a $40/hour job in order to save money - and the cost is passed on (mostly) to others to pay my unemployment.

What translates well in one arena doesn't translate near so well to the other.

Personally, I was just hoping Trump was going to sit back and enjoy his immunity from jail and play a bunch of golf. Now that being said, there IS (as CA and others are pointing out) a deficit bomb that will detonate at some point.

I just don't think a business genius with six bankruptcies who wrecked a football league, two marriages, and countless attorney careers is the resident expert on downsizing government.

He's not doing this to save us from the deficit bomb; he's doing this so there's nobody that can come after him with the power of the government.

Musk is simply his public face so he has someone to blame and fire later.

This is who Donald Trump has proven to be time and time again. He is NOT Saul on the road to Damascus overcome by a profound religious experience.
 

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It kind of does make sense (in a self-serving sort of way.) Billionaires didn't get rich because the Easter Bunny left them one hell of an Easter basket one Sunday morning.
This is exactly how Trump got started. 4 Ways Fred Trump Made Donald Trump and His Siblings Rich - The New York Times

They have a product or service that people want. The more money we have to spend ourselves, the more we can give to the fat cats who manipulate us through God-awful marketing. When consumers are doing well, the billionaires are making even more money.

Some time ago, Musk got on X and asked if anyone would be interested in a cell phone/service produced and operated by Starlink. The responses were overwhelming. He sees the potential for profit here and he knows it's only a matter of time before much of the money he "helps" get back for us winds up in his own pocket. One doesn't need to be an economist to see how consumers having more money eventually benefits the upper 1%.
How exactly are Trump and Musk getting more money into our hands?

The rest of this sounds like the trickle-down BS we've been fed since Reagan and it has never materialized. Since the Reagan administration, the wage gap has increased at a faster rate than ever before, and that wage gap is now at its largest point than any other time in this country's history. Why do people still believe this nonsense that we all benefit when the rich get richer? It doesn't happen, it doesn't work and I have 40+ years of proof to back that up.
 

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The rest of this sounds like the trickle-down BS we've been fed since Reagan and it has never materialized. Since the Reagan administration, the wage gap has increased at a faster rate than ever before, and that wage gap is now at its largest point than any other time in this country's history. Why do people still believe this nonsense that we all benefit when the rich get richer? It doesn't happen, it doesn't work and I have 40+ years of proof to back that up.
I've never advocated trickle-down economics. Like socialism, it looks good on paper, but human behavior isn't factored into it before it's tried and this is why it fails spectacularly. Nothing I said referred to TD economics. I also didn't say that we benefit when the rich get richer, I said the rich benefit when there's more money in the pockets of consumers.
 

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Okay, what are you seeing from Trump and Elon that makes you confident that they are getting more money into consumers' pockets?

None of the DOGE changes will do anything to lower the effective tax rates on our paychecks. None of their changes will lower consumer prices, they are still going up. Nothing they have done is putting more money into our pockets. Their pockets on the other hand...
 
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The problem is that the political system - how many times are we going to have to go through this? - doesn't function like a business. It would be nice if it could, but tossing folks out of work at pretty much any decent level results in the loss of taxpayer revenue that the employed person was paying and ALSO the loss of money the government is now paying out to an unemployed person. It doesn't work like if my hospital decides to fire me from a $40/hour job in order to save money - and the cost is passed on (mostly) to others to pay my unemployment.
So, the bloated bureaucracy should never be reduced? What has to be done is that budgets must be reduced with preferably many cabinet-level agencies eliminated. In addition, there are thousands of do-nothing jobs inside the Beltway that should be eliminated. I've discussed plenty of times interacting with entire offices of people who did practically nothing - certainly nothing value-added.

Sure, they are probably not qualified to do much in the public sector and will be on temporary unemployment (that pays less than their former job), but such is the welfare state. They will be a burden for a while (they effectively already are), but it's still better than having them soak up six figure salaries plus benefits for decades.

These people need to be let go and the jobs eliminated. If people are just fired but the position remains only to be filled again, then I agree with you that is a net waste. Just like eliminating waste in one area with reducing the budget, money that was formerly wasted here will just be repurposed to waste there. DOGE can make recommendations, and Trump can do some cutting, but Congress has to do the real work. I'm skeptical much will get done at the end of the day. I'm very Missouri on this: Show me!
 

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Okay, what are you seeing from Trump and Elon that makes you confident that they are getting more money into consumers' pockets?

None of the DOGE changes will do anything to lower the effective tax rates on our paychecks. None of their changes will lower consumer prices, they are still going up. Nothing they have done is putting more money into our pockets. Their pockets on the other hand...
After four weeks? About what I expected, not much. Only an idiot would think that the moment Trump moves in to the White House, prices are just gonna fall like a pair of over-stretched jockey shorts. Alas, this country is full of idiots.

I never expected prices to fall, but I was hoping against hope that inflation gets slashed, but that can only happen with a reduction in spending. That's where DOGE steps in. Get inflation under control and increase the demand for labor by getting immigration under control. When demand goes up, wages go up.
 
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GOP Reps. Tony Gonzales (Texas), Monica De La Cruz (Texas), David Valadao (Calif.), Juan Ciscomani (Ariz.), Rob Bresnahan (Pa.), Nicole Malliotakis (N.Y.), along with Dels. James Moylan of Guam and Kimberlyn King-Hinds of the Northern Mariana Islands, sent the letter to Johnson Wednesday. That means six voting members are further complicating Johnson’s plans.

The speaker faced at least a dozen holdouts on his budget plan Wednesday, ahead of President Donald Trump’s social media post that both chambers should advance the House GOP’s resolution. Their concerns included deep cuts to Medicaid, SNAP and other safety-net programs.

In the letter, the lawmakers wrote that nearly 30 percent of those enrolled in Medicaid are Hispanic and the health care program is “expected to bear the brunt of these reductions” with a proposed $880 billion in cuts under the Energy and Commerce Committee. The lawmakers noted: “for many families across the country, Medicaid is their only access to healthcare.”

“Slashing Medicaid would have serious consequences, particularly in rural and predominantly Hispanic communities where hospitals and nursing homes are already struggling to keep their doors open,” the lawmakers added.

The group also noted that large numbers of families in their districts and territories rely on SNAP food aid benefits.




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