Any other year and Murray would be a slam dunk, votes would already have been cast.
Tua's Heisman Campaign watch
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It goes back to the days when Bama had multiple national championships and the Barn had a Heisman, but no honest national championships (in my view, the Barn still has no honest national championships; 1957 and 2010 were obviously tainted). Bama fans would tout their multiple national championships, and the Barners would retort: "Oh yeah? Well, we have more Heisman's than you." Bama fans' reactions to this line of reasoning is where today's typical Bama's fan's attitude comes from: It's a team sport. Team achievements mean more than individual achievements.
A Heisman is nothing to turn your nose up at. I'd love for Bama to win a championship and Tua to win a Heisman.
Amen, brah.
Sam was better than Colt, and had better stats than the reigning heisman. Really the Big XII had a pretty deep conference in 2008, but Oklahoma privilege ruined a great season
Unfortunately that’s not the case, it helped him, the knock now on Tua is that “he has a good defense to help him” and that Kyler has to put the team on his back every week, although Taulia could’ve put 500 on that WVU defense too. Now Tua just gotta be Tua I hope that’s enough but Kyler is gaining a lot of traction and I feel like it may be a repeat of 2016. Lamar Jackson had all the stats and the whole “without him Louisville would barely win 6 games” thing going for him while DeShaun Watson was the best player in the country that season. No matter what the Heisman voters decide, I still believe that Tua is the best player in the country.
Tua will win the Heisman, he deserves it. It is true he has the Bama defense to back him up. How many times has he even played from behind? Murray has to score on nearly every possession., the Sooners are playing with one scholarship RB. Two great players, both are solid people off the field. I wouldn't trade Murray for any player in the country, you folks feel the same about Tua. Good Luck against Auburn.
I just saw on ESPN at the gym:
Rankings by conference for points allowed (defense) for all major conferences
SEC first (least number of points allowed)
Big12 last (most number of points allowed)
That statistic alone is why Tua, barring a horrible game today, deserves it.
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Rankings by conference for points allowed (defense) for all major conferences
SEC first (least number of points allowed)
Big12 last (most number of points allowed)
That statistic alone is why Tua, barring a horrible game today, deserves it.
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What we think as fans doesn’t really matter. It’s what the majority of heisman voters think that will carry the day. Right now I think the optics/“eye test” favor Murray with probably a majority of those voters, but Tua will have an opportunity to sway some of them his way the next two weeks on a very big stage and, ultimately, I think he will pull it out as long as we blow the doors off the barn and win convincingly against the dawgs.
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I believe the only amount of time he has played from behind was the opening possession against Ole Miss, after they scored on their first play. Your point is a good one. Murray has faced more mental pressure - having to keep his composure in the face of close games all year. I'd argue Tua has faced far greater physical pressure in the form of far more competent defenses.
They are both great players. I just have a hard time respecting the defensive performances of those two teams last night. I honestly do not know what happened to the Big 12 over the years, except to think they have gone wholesale into the point a minute strategy and completely sacrificed defensive competency in order to accomplish it.
My point is that OU system quarterbacks don't deserve all the Heismans. I can debate the criteria further I suppose, but really when you get to the point that a school has one championship since 99, and at the same position they have 5 out of 7 full time starters go to New York, with at least 3 of them winning... that's giving them too much credit.
I mean even people here are agreeing that Murray wins this if not for Tua. However, we then have to go back and say hey wait, why on earth would 4 out of the past 7 full time starters at any position on any team actually deserve Heisman trophies? Especially considering none of them won championships! I'm not trying to strip them all of trophies, just pointing out that this is becoming absurd. As B1g pointed out, Tebow gets passed up, but he won the one that mattered didn't he? And that's the story of the Oklahoma quarterbacks, at this point they're just racking up stats and getting a trophy even if they're not the most dominant player in college football.
But, let's go ahead and take a look back over the years shall we?
In 2000 Weinke won, while Heupel (the Oklahoma quarterback) finished second. Who was third in voting? Drew Brees. Who was fourth in voting? LaDainian Tomlinson. LD rushed for over 2000 yards and 20 TDs by the way.
In 2003 Jason White won, not the championship, he lost that. But he won the Heisman. Larry Fitzgerald was second. Eli Manning was third.
We already covered 2008, where Tim Tebow finished third while Bradford won. Well he didn't beat Tebow on the field, he lost but he beat Tebow in the Heisman race.
We know Baker won last year, I'm not going to argue too much about that. I would point out that Bryce Love averaged 8.1 yards per rush and had over 2000 yards though.
I'm not saying none of those guys deserve anything. Not at all. But I'm saying we're now discussing Tua vs. Murray, where Murray stats are clearly skewed in his favor by circumstance, and even here some people are giving Murray too much credit. Is he good? Sure, is he on Tua's level? Absolutely not.
I think the voters will get it right, but some people are just going to look at yards and TDs and vote, once again, for the Oklahoma guy. Why think when you can just do that?
White and Bradford weren't exactly bums.Josh Hueple deserved to win, but he got his revenge against FSU
Hopefully the voters understand that Tua only played 2 to 3 qtrs most games, and when he did play in the 4th it was for a few plays and did not rack up stats late vs bad defenses.
