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Wally-World making a statement.

I imagine that this change was one that they felt compelled to make for a list of reasons, not the least of which would be the avoidance of bad press surrounding discrimination lawsuits in the states that recognize same sex partnerships.
 
Gross-Domestic Product!!!! You are correct ValueJet. They should be taking heat for being a main buyer of Chinese products. Plus, they help give incintives and contracts for companies to relocate or start manufacturing in China. See, you guys can get-a-long with Boiler.
 
If China stopped shipping goods to the US, this country

ValuJet said:
It was either that decision, or they pay hefty court fees in those states in which they'd probably lose anyway.

The bigger picture tells me this was a calculated move which may take some pressure off the heat they receive for accounting for a sizeable chunk of China's GDP.
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would be hard up to supply itself.

I was relieved to know that the shirt I received for Xmas from L L Bean was made by Cambodians.
 
We as American workers do want those jobs. But we want a fair wage for those jobs.It is not the markets, it is GREED. Thats why you don't sell or conduct trade with these nations that have labor laws for their employees that mimick those that our predecessors here in the U.S. fought and died to abolish. Just like President Bush's inaugural speech included the term freedom as though we should do what ever it takes to promote the way of life we hold so dear throughout the world. Why, if we really hold this ideal to be true, do we not start right hear at home with our standards in the work force being a precedent set with the other governments of the world. Freedom begins with the ability of ordinary citizens being empowered with economic freedoms, to have a voice and to have labor laws that do protect the people in the nations that you mention Mr. Valujet. That is where we should begin. instead we focus on stock prices and labor markets where shirts can be manufactured for pennies instead of dollars. Where does the mentality of profit at the expense of economic freedom come into play in this arm of empowerment we are extending. When do we say that enough is enough. We have a very stable and viable workforce here in the US. But why would you want to work for $7.50 an hour when one hour of labor away from your loved ones want buy a loaf of bread, gallon of milk and a box of cereal to feed the children. Much less to provide clothing, and a home and insurance and private accounts to plan for the great retirement those kinds of wages will allow.We can do better than that logic. And we must do better.
 
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boilerbama,

We, as Americans, want inexpensive items. It is not corporate greed. It is a free market forcing companies to look for cheaper production methods because the public is only willing to pay so much for a particular item.
 
Tell 'em, boilerbama! My grandpa took a skull fracture for the IWW so that my generation could get the weekend off, and I don't forget to thank him for it in my prayers.

Don't be hard on the people who shop there for bargains. A lot of them are really struggling, maybe because they work there. That's the difference between then and now. Henry Ford paid his workers well, so they could afford to buy his cars. Today, Wally-World pays its workers chickenspit so that they can't afford to shop eleswhere.

I wonder what Sam Walton, whose autobiography is called "Made in America" would feel about how they're running his company today, full of cheap sweatshop products.
 
boilerbama said:
We as American workers do want those jobs. But we want a fair wage for those jobs.It is not the markets, it is GREED. Thats why you don't sell or conduct trade with these nations that have labor laws for their employees that mimick those that our predecessors here in the U.S. fought and died to abolish. Just like President Bush's inaugural speech included the term freedom as though we should do what ever it takes to promote the way of life we hold so dear throughout the world. Why, if we really hold this ideal to be true, do we not start right hear at home with our standards in the work force being a precedent set with the other governments of the world. Freedom begins with the ability of ordinary citizens being empowered with economic freedoms, to have a voice and to have labor laws that do protect the people in the nations that you mention Mr. Valujet. That is where we should begin. instead we focus on stock prices and labor markets where shirts can be manufactured for pennies instead of dollars. Where does the mentality of profit at the expense of economic freedom come into play in this arm of empowerment we are extending. When do we say that enough is enough. We have a very stable and viable workforce here in the US. But why would you want to work for $7.50 an hour when one hour of labor away from your loved ones want buy a loaf of bread, gallon of milk and a box of cereal to feed the children. Much less to provide clothing, and a home and insurance and private accounts to plan for the great retirement those kinds of wages will allow.We can do better than that logic. And we must do better.
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This is just silly. I feel for you. You have a good heart.
 
Your grandpa was a Wobbly?

Piglet said:
Tell 'em, boilerbama! My grandpa took a skull fracture for the IWW so that my generation could get the weekend off, and I don't forget to thank him for it in my prayers.

Don't be hard on the people who shop there for bargains. A lot of them are really struggling, maybe because they work there. That's the difference between then and now. Henry Ford paid his workers well, so they could afford to buy his cars. Today, Wally-World pays its workers chickenspit so that they can't afford to shop eleswhere.

I wonder what Sam Walton, whose autobiography is called "Made in America" would feel about how they're running his company today, full of cheap sweatshop products.
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I sure hope you were able to record some of his stories.

The IWW had a very colorful history. Did he know Eugene Debs?
 
Boiler

I want cheap goods and don't care where they were made. It's called economic darwinism. With the exception of possibly China, nobody makes these people work in those garment factories overseas. Besides, paying those folks $2 per hour is considered a good wage over there in some of those countries. I bet you most of those folks are delighted to have those jobs.

Furthermore, businesses are there to make money, not provide a jobs program. You can drone on about the unions and while at one point they had a real function, the harsh truth is that in most cases, they ARE the reason decent paying jobs are going overseas. Many of the unions have bargained themselves out of a job. When I see unions like the airline pilots at US Air that take the position that they'd rather see the airline go out of business than take a pay cut from $200,000 to $150,000 per year, that speaks volumes about the mindset of unions today.

I'm in management and I deal with unions everyday. The only function they provide is to provide cover for the biggest slacker employees or the most incompetent ones. I work for the Federal government and you wouldn't believe the flaming hoops you have to go through to get rid of one that is grossly incompetent. It can be done and I've done it but I resent the unions. Totally worthless.

As for the employees at Wal Mart, if they don't like how much they're paid, leave. I'm sure they would have no problem finding another job or they could go to college or trade school to get a better paying job. It's not a God given right to make a six figure salary.
 
If it weren't for unions, our children would now be working in coal mines or sweatshops today instead of going to school, seven days a week, being charged by the company for the tools they used, and being paid in company scrip good only at company owned stores at inflated prices. Our working conditions would be a lot like those 'enjoyed' by people in Thailand today. And you're right, we'd be glad to have those jobs. It would be the only alternative to living in even more squalid poverty with no income at all.

Who would want a change from that? Such 'worthless' unions. Of course, management will always complain about unions, because unions and labor laws are usually the only thing preventing management from treating workers like disposable machines.
 
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I want cheap goods and don't care where they were made. It's called economic darwinism. With the exception of possibly China, nobody makes these people work in those garment factories overseas. Besides, paying those folks $2 per hour is considered a good wage over there in some of those countries. I bet you most of those folks are delighted to have those jobs.

Furthermore, businesses are there to make money, not provide a jobs program. You can drone on about the unions and while at one point they had a real function, the harsh truth is that in most cases, they ARE the reason decent paying jobs are going overseas. Many of the unions have bargained themselves out of a job. When I see unions like the airline pilots at US Air that take the position that they'd rather see the airline go out of business than take a pay cut from $200,000 to $150,000 per year, that speaks volumes about the mindset of unions today.

I'm in management and I deal with unions everyday. The only function they provide is to provide cover for the biggest slacker employees or the most incompetent ones. I work for the Federal government and you wouldn't believe the flaming hoops you have to go through to get rid of one that is grossly incompetent. It can be done and I've done it but I resent the unions. Totally worthless.

As for the employees at Wal Mart, if they don't like how much they're paid, leave. I'm sure they would have no problem finding another job or they could go to college or trade school to get a better paying job. It's not a God given right to make a six figure salary.
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No it isn't a God given right to make six figure salaries. But it Damn sure isn't a God given right for management to dictate what is competent and to push one-sided agendas on labor. And as far as the airline pilots, why should we ever just set back and take the industries cry baby excuses. They always cry about restructuring and bankruptcies. Just because corporate America says they can't compete with $300 million dollar profits and then they take a hit to$280 million we are suppose to say poor babies. Bull crap. You can put anything on paper. And corporate America has been proven to be very slick with their tactics when it comes to negotiating. Why would anyone be against collective barganing in their place of employment. Do you guys enjoy sucking corporate *** that much!!!!!
 
It's called Capitalism.

1. Capital moves. As the world turns to a market economy more businesses will be moving overseas and outsourcing will increase.

2. Jobs seek lower wages.

3. Skilled workers bargain for higher wages based on the market value of the service that they have to offer. They meet at an equilibrium with the employer.
 
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If a company is loyal to its workers, the workers will be loyal to the company. When the company treats us like pond scum from day one, they won't get the best from us.

Management has been waging class warfare against the working class since the Civil War. Republicans are their handmaidens, and Democrats are too wishy-washy to stand up for us. It's up to the unions to protect us.

And anyone who tells you individual workers and their bosses bargain on equal playing fields is lying to you.
 
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