Week 1 College football playoff poll released

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If Ole Miss wins out, we are not going to the playoffs no matter what we do. Did you see Oregons ranking? The committee is placing emphasis on conference champions. We will get leap frogged, mark it down!
We don't know which way the committee will go either way. So just chill and give it 3 or 4 weeks. I'm personally leaning towards we need to reach Atlanta but that's also because I'm more hesitant to put a choice of this magnitude to a vote of 12 people who were put in place to satisfy the public and other conferences's outcry of a playoff, and my opinion could very likely change if Louisville,Stanford,West Virginia, and auburn win this weekend because that would pretty much mean if we win out we are a lock for the 4 team playoff. I think the topic of ole miss vs bama week 10 speculation has been argued enough. So I'm going to relax on this and wait til next Tuesday for this discussion unless there is more to discuss
 

snake plissken

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We don't know which way the committee will go either way. So just chill and give it 3 or 4 weeks. I'm personally leaning towards we need to reach Atlanta but that's also because I'm more hesitant to put a choice of this magnitude to a vote of 12 people who were put in place to satisfy the public and other conferences's outcry of a playoff, and my opinion could very likely change if Louisville,Stanford,West Virginia, and auburn win this weekend because that would pretty much mean if we win out we are a lock for the 4 team playoff. I think the topic of ole miss vs bama week 10 speculation has been argued enough. So I'm going to relax on this and wait til next Tuesday for this discussion unless there is more to discuss
Make no mistake, they were put in place because of the 2011 season.
 

snake plissken

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Your logic would say that a 10-1 MSU team should be ranked ahead of a 10-1 Alabama team heading into the final weekend if the MSU team played well and Alabama struggled to win at LSU.

I think that's silly, but that's what your logic would dictate.
Ole Miss runs the table they are in, Oregon wins their conference, they are in, TCU wins their conference, they are in, Ohio State wins their conference they are in. Bama is not getting in unless we win our conference. They will not let another 2011 season happen, that's why they are here!
 

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Top 4 teams princess!!!! we are a top 4 team, we can match up with anyone. This is a bias committee, open your eyes, There is no doubt we would crush Ole Miss if we played Saturday.
Just b/c you or I might believe we would beat OM is irrelevant. Had our chance. Bama lost. In week 8, they deserve to be ranked higher than us. Honestly I hope we both win out so we can get a chance at revenge. But I don't expect that to happen. Take a step back and let the season play out. Most likely we will look back at this discussion and realize how dumb it was. But then again we might not.

Step away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself [emoji1].
 

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Ole Miss runs the table they are in, Oregon wins their conference, they are in, TCU wins their conference, they are in, Ohio State wins their conference they are in. Bama is not getting in unless we win our conference. They will not let another 2011 season happen, that's why they are here!
This does not reflect reality. Ohio State is ranked #16 in the CFP poll and plays 1 ranked team the rest of the way. Bama plays 3. There is no way in heaven that Ohio State jumps Bama. You are living in a fantasy.
 

snake plissken

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Just b/c you or I might believe we would beat OM is irrelevant. Had our chance. Bama lost. In week 8, they deserve to be ranked higher than us. Honestly I hope we both win out so we can get a chance at revenge. But I don't expect that to happen. Take a step back and let the season play out. Most likely we will look back at this discussion and realize how dumb it was. But then again we might not.

Step away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself [emoji1].
Well Kirk Herbstreit thinks we would beat Ole Miss, the AP voters think we would be Ole Miss, and the coaches in their poll think we would beat Ole Miss. The only ppl that think we wouldn't are some of you posters on TideFans and this bias committee.
 

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Ok, let's make a transition to new points. Some have made your point and expounded for pages on them.
 

rolltide_21

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Well Kirk Herbstreit thinks we would beat Ole Miss, the AP voters think we would be Ole Miss, and the coaches in their poll think we would beat Ole Miss. The only ppl that think we wouldn't are some of you posters on TideFans and this bias committee.
Good for them. What they think or what we think is irrelevant.

I'm not going to reason in circles with you. I'm done with this discussion. It's week 8 and this week's poll most likely won't matter.
 

snake plissken

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Good for them. What they think or what we think is irrelevant.

I'm not going to reason in circles with you. I'm done with this discussion. It's week 8 and this week's poll most likely won't matter.
They only matter if Ole Miss goes undefeated. Because this committee is not going to allow a non conference winning Bama team in this playoff! Even though Bama is a better team.
 

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the reason I asked the question is because that was a close loss in Oxford, a game that clearly changed when Alabama lost their most versatile offensive weapon in Drake and more importantly their most critical offensive lineman. Now Oregon seemingly got a pass for losing to Arizona at home because of injuries, I would dare say losing players early in a road game is a more significant loss than losing players, at home , before the game started because they took snaps in practice with the ones. Plus, there are few replacements in the country for Drake. Oregon was rated 8 spots above Arizona even though, and I say again, the game was in Eugene.

Also, it is important because in the past 10 years, 6 teams in 4 different years had 2 losses in the final AP poll before the bowl games. It is possible that a 2 loss team, especially a 2 loss SEC team , may be in the playoffs. there is a chance that a 2 loss Bama team and a 2 loss Ole Miss team may be vying for a spot.

Lastly, if you feel strongly about head to head, then you should feel that Alabama should give back the 1978 AP national championship.


one other thing, ESPN statistical ranking system , FPI, and Sagarins computer has Bama rated higher than Ole Miss. they are not illogical.

I feel Bama should be rated ahead of Ole Miss and Oregon , I haven't read all the posts, and don't know everything said in disagreement, don't know what Ole snake has said to solicit some of the response. but I would also add to everything I said above that the best analysts on ESPN. NOT the writers or newscasters or former athletes . The ones that evaluated talent on film and know what they are looking at. Mike Belotti ex Oregon coach, Matt Millen- ex GM and personnel director of Detroit Lions, and Tom Luginbill ESPNs recruiting coordinator Have said this week Bama is the best team in the country. Also, the people that risk Millions of Dollars on games, VEGAS, have Alabama favored over every team in CFB on a neutral field.

the committee has Bama rated 5 spots lower than the Computer ratings, statistical weighted rating metrics(FPI),professional talent evaluators and bookies. I have to ask why? A lot of you guys say snake will not listen or illogical , or delusional . But he has a lot if heavy hitters in sports on his side. My biggest question is that the committee didn't seem to be consistent with their evaluation as it relates to Alabama. My biggest concern isn't conspiracy. My biggest concern is worse, that the were not informed .
 
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snake plissken

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I feel Bama's should be rated ahead of Ole Miss and Oregon , I haven't read all the posts, and don't know everything said in disagreement, don't know what Ole snake has said to illicit some of the response. but I would also add to everything I said above that the best analysts on ESPN. NOT the writers or newscasters or former athletes . The ones that evaluated talent on film and know what they are looking at. Mike Belotti ex Oregon coach, Matt Millen- ex GM and personnel director of Detroit Lions, and Tom Luginbill ESPNs recruiting coordinator Have said this week Bama is the best team in the country. Also, the people that risk Millions of Dollars on games, VEGAS, have Alabama favored over every team in CFB on a neutral field.

the committee has Bama rated 5 spots lower computer ratings, statistical weighted rating metrics(FPI),professional talent evaluators and bookies. I have to ask why? A lot of you guys say snake will not listen or illogical , or delusional . But he has a lot if heavy hitters in sports on his side. My biggest question is that the committee didn't seem to be consistent with their evaluation as it relates to Alabama. My biggest concern isn't conspiracy. My biggest concern is worse, that the were not informed .
Agreed!
 

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Now we pay the price for sleep walking against Ole Sis. AGAIN... We lost.

Our destiny is in our own hands. Win out is necessary. We could use Auburn's help this next Saturday.

I have always loved how the talking heads love Oregon so much... They drone on and on, then they loose when they play a strong team. Happens every year. Sure they can get up to play a single strong opponent, but they can't sustain.
 
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Please step away from the keyboard if you are engaged in ignorant sparring.

I understand the difficulty of ranking the teams at this point. It's fair to wonder why do it at this time. The committee has to feel safe knowing that at least 2 of the SEC teams will be cannibalized in the coming weeks. If Alabama and Miss win out or State and AU then there will be a real test for them.

I do feel that Oregon and Miss are too high and Bama is too low based on a number of factors. In another thread I called these rankings rubbish and stand by that.
 

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Ole Miss runs the table they are in, Oregon wins their conference, they are in, TCU wins their conference, they are in, Ohio State wins their conference they are in. Bama is not getting in unless we win our conference. They will not let another 2011 season happen, that's why they are here!
Well.....................sort of.

If Ol' Sis, Free Seafood, and that other annoying team win out, they are in. If we win out, in theory, that puts us 4th.

But, TCU is right behind us. If they win out.................they jump us. Simply because they won't go for a potential rematch with Ol' Sis.

A team that gave up 24 unanswered points, late in Q4, to lose by 3, should not be considered for the 4 play-off teams. But, you can bet they will. They will be able to claim they beat Zero U, WVU, and KSU. And barely lost to Baylor, because they can't play defense. Forget the fact we would have also beaten WVU, along with API, MISStake, and LSwho. And only lost to Ol' Sis on a tipped pass, at the very end of the game, on the road, with 3 significant injuries. The idea of a rematch will be all they need to keep us out.

The committee will be praised for doing their job.
 

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But, TCU is right behind us. If they win out.................they jump us. Simply because they won't go for a potential rematch with Ol' Sis.
Of all the teams that could jump Alabama, a Big 12 team would have the weakest resume on which to do so. For starters, they do not play a conference championship game, so they can't don't even get the bonus quality win. Furthermore, with Alabama beating WVU and Auburn beating Kansas State, even if TCU beats them, they are only matching a quality win, no more.

That's the thing though, they only have two more potential quality wins on their schedule and that's WVU and Kansas State. If they win both of those, they have 3 quality wins. I can't fathom how 2 quality wins, one of those Alabama already has, would somehow trump 3 quality wins, one of those over a team that beat their other quality win, especially if you consider the fact that Alabama's already ahead.

If anything, the committee just demonstrated that in order for the Big 12 to get in, teams in front have to lose.

Ole Miss runs the table they are in, Oregon wins their conference, they are in, TCU wins their conference, they are in, Ohio State wins their conference they are in.
Sorry, but you're flat our wrong on that being any sort of certainty. Read what I said about TCU, you explain the logic to me and I'll listen, but the committee blew most of that conference champ stuff out of the water when they actually put the SEC team's higher collectively than their AP rankings. Ohio State just has a weak resume, period.

To reiterate though, TCU's only possible upcoming quality wins are against teams that already lost to the SEC West!!!

I hate the playoff, I hate the committee, but this tin foil stuff is getting a little out of hand. I saw poster after poster say Notre Dame would be ranked ahead of Alabama. Incorrect. I saw poster after poster say that Alabama had to win the SEC to get in, which given their 6th ranking with two teams ahead of them on their schedule also appears incorrect. I've heard all these dire predictions, and what do we have to show for it? 4 SEC West teams in the top 6. That's more than the Coach's or AP poll have.
 
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I'm telling you guys right now if Ole Miss wins out and we win out, we are not in that top 4! We do not control our destiny yet. Ole Miss has to be knocked out of there!
Exactly-- We need Ole Miss to lose again in order not to be jumped by future conference champions like TCU and Mich St.
Bama of course must win out and win the SEC title. This is set up for conference Champions to get momentum on Championship Saturday. We cannot be comforted by this result today.
 

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5 of the last ten years, three conferences or less had a one loss champion in the last Week before the bowl season. That means the committee will be deciding between an at large team(one loss most of the time) or a two loss conference champion for the fourth spot about 50% of the 4 team playoff years.

In four years out of the last ten , 2 loss teams were ranked in the top 4 of the final AP poll before the bowl season. That means some years will have a two loss team in the #4 spot and possibly in the #3 spot

We see this poll today, but it doesn't tell the entire story. We do not know the weight a conference championship carries. One reason I would like Bama to start high and stay high.
 
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Sorry, but you're flat our wrong on that being any sort of certainty. Read what I said about TCU, you explain the logic to me and I'll listen, but the committee blew most of that conference champ stuff out of the water when they actually put the SEC team's higher collectively than their AP rankings.
Why are you trying to introduce logic? Since when is politics logical?

It isn't about conference champs. It is about no 2 SEC teams. How hard is that to understand?

TCU has no business even being in the discussion, but in case you have not noticed, they are only one place behind us. Won't take much arm twisting for the committee to bump them one spot.

So, why are they only one place behind us? You explain that to us. (Hint: politics.)

They can put us at 6, and pray that we don't win out. Which is what they did, and what they are doing, starting next Saturday night.
 

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Why are you trying to introduce logic? Since when is politics logical?

It isn't about conference champs. It is about no 2 SEC teams. How hard is that to understand?

TCU has no business even being in the discussion, but in case you have not noticed, they are only one place behind us. Won't take much arm twisting for the committee to bump them one spot.

So, why are they only one place behind us? You explain that to us. (Hint: politics.)

They can put us at 6, and pray that we don't win out. Which is what they did, and what they are doing, starting next Saturday night.
This would all make a lot of sense, if they didn't put Miss. State at #1, Auburn at #3 and Ole Miss at #4. If this was indeed set up to prevent 2 SEC teams, guess what? They wouldn't have ranked Ole Miss so high! They moved them well above where they are ranked in the AP, they didn't have to, there was no pressure on them to do that. The coaches poll has Ole Miss behind Michigan State, Oregon, and Notre Dame.

The fact is the AP, the Coaches, and the playoff all have 3 SEC teams in their top 4, the difference is who they chose. You can argue they want Alabama out, but I've been consistent with what I've been saying. They'd have to show their hand, they'd paint themselves into a corner, and they have. I didn't expect the quality win stuff, but from here on out they become much more predictable.

I'm not positive why TCU is ahead of Michigan State, Kansas State and Notre Dame. But, each of those teams has one quality win, and there's not much separating those four teams from each other on paper. I'm positive politics played a role, I'm sure that played a role. But, the committee already lost their chance to let politics rule the day.

ESPN has multiple blowhards that had only one or two SEC teams in their top four. We had several posters here who repeatedly predicted committee rankings that were along those lines. That's not what we got. You can say it's political, and sure it is political to a degree, but precedent matters and they've set the precedent.

They simply can't say ok, 6 beat 1 and 7 beat 9, so I'm going to move 7 ahead of 6. They don't have the cover politically to do that.

I hate the playoff, I hate the committee, but the committee doesn't have the means to screw the SEC over in every scenario and this happens to be one of them. The SEC will probably do that for them, but they've set things up so that two one loss SEC teams can most certainly make it into a playoff.

This likely becomes a non-issue anyway though, and I find that disappointing because I don't want to let the committee slither away from this and then, on a later date, when they can act more subtly feel emboldened to screw over the SEC. Only Oregon, TCU and Michigan State have any sort of a hope to rival one loss SEC teams. Of those three, the odds are in favor of more than one of them losing.

There's already room for one of them, so if two lose it won't even matter if two SEC teams have one loss, because there won't be anyone else left to claim that fourth spot. On the other hand, two one loss or better SEC teams becomes a long shot, which either involves Auburn and Miss. State winning out, Georgia and Miss. State winning out (with Georgia winning the SECCG), or Alabama and Ole Miss winning out. That's the only scenarios I can come up with off the top of my head that allow for that scenario, the rest involve SEC team's accumulating two or more losses and being out of consideration anyway.

So, for all this fuss, the statistical probabilities really don't favor this even becoming an issue.
 
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