Question: What destroyed the Big 12?

[Ldlane]

I have a feeling that the merger of the Big 8 and old SWC just never was a good fit. I lived in Arkansas when they were members of the SWC (Texas Conference) and there was always animosity between Arky and the rest of the conference. I think UT's arrogance and political dominance is the big reason for the downfall of the conference. They don't want to come to the SEC because they won't have the political clout of an Alabama, Florida, Tenn., LSU, etc..... At least in the PAC 16 they can play the same game as usual in a division with the Arizona teams and Colorado. JMHO.

 

[BigAl5833]

I have a feeling that the merger of the Big 8 and old SWC just never was a good fit. I lived in Arkansas when they were members of the SWC (Texas Conference) and there was always animosity between Arky and the rest of the conference. I think UT's arrogance and political dominance is the big reason for the downfall of the conference. They don't want to come to the SEC because they won't have the political clout of an Alabama, Florida, Tenn., LSU, etc..... At least in the PAC 16 they can play the same game as usual in a division with the Arizona teams and Colorado. JMHO.

Like you said it all boils down to Texas having to rule everything they are involved in. It will be interesting to see how whatever conference they ultimately join will handle the revenue sharing and the likes.

If Texas does not change any conference they ever join will ultimately fail in the long run.

 

[deliveryman35]

$$$$. In the end, BS walks and money talks.

 

[wishbonesooner]

The lack of big market TV revenue was the real killer. Other than Dallas/Ft. Worth, all the other Big 12 cities are small or middle market cities. Programs have costs that are spiraling out of control, and they need money.

 

[liquidvengeance]

Yep the only thing big in texas is their brain cavity.

 

[Dallas4Bama]

The lack of big market TV revenue was the real killer. Other than Dallas/Ft. Worth, all the other Big 12 cities are small or middle market cities. Programs have costs that are spiraling out of control, and they need money.

TX greed lead to the downfall. Its as simple as that.

Sooner I just don't buy the small market arguement. Name me all the big markets in the SEC. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Denver, Kansa City and St Louis are pretty decent markets.
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[owenfieldreams]

Please refer to my "skinny" thread. You have to go back to 1996 and the formation of the Big 12 and follow it's history and where it is now, it's very esy to see what happened.

 

[MightyWingman]

The lack of big market TV revenue was the real killer. Other than Dallas/Ft. Worth, all the other Big 12 cities are small or middle market cities. Programs have costs that are spiraling out of control, and they need money.

Dallas is the 5th largest TV market in the nation.
Houston is the 10th largest TV market in the nation.
Denver is the 16th largest in the nation.
St. Louis is the 21st largest in the nation.
Kansas is the 32nd largest.
San Antonio is the 37th largest in the nation.
Oklahoma City is the 45th largest.
Austin is the 48th largest.

The Televisions were all around the Big 12. The Big 12 should of formed their own network like the Big 10, but didn't because of the horns wanting to form "The Longhorn Network". I think the reason the Big 12 fell apart is because of the unequal sharing of TV revenue. The horns have been making a killing and the sooners are fairly close behind. I believe the horns greed and sense of entitlement brought the Big 12 down. I could be wrong, but being an Aggie, I'd love nothing more than to separate from the horns.

 

[TexasBammer]

The SEC destroyed the Big 12!

I think the other conferences have panicked because of the SEC's recent successful run. Of course, in 20 years, I'll tell my kids it was fear of Bama that killed the Big 12.


I wonder if all of this would have transpired if Texas had won the NC?

 

[Bama323]

I think it was because the Big 12 was set up poorly from the beginning. They gave teams like Texas an advantage in revenue sharing over other teams. If they had shared the revenue evenly, like the SEC and the Big 10, I don't think we'd be seeing all this happen right now.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Dallas is the 5th largest TV market in the nation.
Houston is the 10th largest TV market in the nation.
Denver is the 16th largest in the nation.
St. Louis is the 21st largest in the nation.
Kansas is the 32nd largest.
San Antonio is the 37th largest in the nation.
Oklahoma City is the 45th largest.
Austin is the 48th largest.

The Televisions were all around the Big 12. The Big 12 should of formed their own network like the Big 10, but didn't because of the horns wanting to form "The Longhorn Network". I think the reason the Big 12 fell apart is because of the unequal sharing of TV revenue. The horns have been making a killing and the sooners are fairly close behind. I believe the horns greed and sense of entitlement brought the Big 12 down. I could be wrong, but being an Aggie, I'd love nothing more than to separate from the horns.

Dingdingdingdingding.....we have a winner.

At least two schools (Colorado and Nebraska) were getting shafted and had options. Other schools were getting shafted too, but either didn't have solid options, or had them only on the coattails of other big brother intra-state schools.

So when a shaftee has a chance to bolt, OU and UT especially have the lion's share of a much smaller pie. So now the pie isn't big enough, everybody starts grabbing to be sure they get thiers, and the whole thing implodes.

If the revenue had been shared equitably, Colorado and Nebraska would have had no reason to look elsewhere, and I believe the Big 12 would have survived.

 

[owenfieldreams]

323, you're right, it was set up poorly but don't blame UT. In 1996, the conference members voted overwhelmingly to set up the revenue as it is now. Unfortunately, the powers to be @ the time, Nebraska (3 NC's in 4 years), K-State, & CU, were three powerful football programs so they would receive the greater proportion of revenue from televised bowl appearances had the balance of power stayed the same. Unfortunately, Bill McCartney left CU, Dr. Tom retired, as did Bill Snyder while Mac Brown & Bob Stoops arrived on the seen. Shortly thereafter, Mike Leach left the OU staff to go to TT and the rest is history. The Big 12 north became a mirror of the WAC while the Big 12 south became as strong a conference division as there is in college football.

Then the headquarters moved from KC to Big D, & now the conference championship has moved from Arrowhead to Jerryworld.The Big 12 north in general, & Nebraska in particular, has noone to blame but itself.

 

[rolltide7854]

I agree with most everyone esle. The way the money was split and Texas sense that they are better than everyone else killed the conference. Nebraska was and still can be a elite program but were treated like a red headed stepchilded. My apologies to the red headed stepchildren of the world.

 

[CaliforniaTide]

I think a big part was their TV contract. They had it set up where half of the money was divided equally, and the other half was divided by the number of appearances. By contrast, the SECs contract is divided equally, so that even the bad teams get a decent amount of regular money.

 

[JPT4Bama]

Plus the Big 12 style of arena league football had become increasingly sucky to the point of total suckifacation. Not scientific enough for you? :biggrin2:
Well, football should be played with physically violent vertical action, not sideline to sideline via 125 dinky little passes per game resulting in basketball-ish scores.. JMO :biggrin: Thank you very much. :BigA:

 

[bamadp]

Plus the Big 12 style of arena league football had become increasingly sucky to the point of total suckifacation. Not scientific enough for you? :biggrin2:
Well, football should be played with physically violent vertical action, not sideline to sideline via 125 dinky little passes per game resulting in basketball-ish scores.. JMO :biggrin: Thank you very much. :BigA:

Mine too. :BigA:

 

[JPT4Bama]

Mine too. :BigA:

Then we are down, dog! :biggrin:

 

[LCN]

For the same reasons others have already posted , Texas is a very fitting one-word answer .

Where I'm a little on the fence is with the issue of greed . While the moves made by Texas , past and present , do indeed point to greed , I feel there is without doubt an underlying degree of insecurity at play in Austin - then and now . When the Big 12 was created Texas showed their tail and were pacified . This allowed for Texas to claim the tilte as bell-cow of the Big 12 which is true on one hand but far from it on the other . Yes , Texas is the more important program when discussing revenue but Oklahoma is without question the more accomplished program when it comes to what has actually taken place on the field of play and the same will be true with SoCal if Texas does indeed find their way into a newer or expanded Pac 10 .

 

[JPT4Bama]

For the same reasons others have already posted , Texas is a very fitting one-word answer .

Where I'm a little on the fence is with the issue of greed . While the moves made by Texas , past and present , do indeed point to greed , I feel there is without doubt an underlying degree of insecurity at play in Austin - then and now . When the Big 12 was created Texas showed their tail and were pacified . This allowed for Texas to claim the tilte as bell-cow of the Big 12 which is true on one hand but far from it on the other . Yes , Texas is the more important program when discussing revenue but Oklahoma is without question the more accomplished program when it comes to what has actually taken place on the field of play and the same will be true with SoCal if Texas does indeed find their way into a newer or expanded Pac 10 .

Well so is "suckifacation" but so far only BamaDP and me are actually down with that. For now at least...

 

[Croaker]

As I sated in another thread a few weeks ago...TX controlled the SWC and they controlled the BIG 12...both conferences failed...common denominator = Tx.... JMO but I think Tx will ruin any conference they go to in less than 20 years...they are a prima dona and refuse to be equal to anyone. I'm so glad they didn't want to come to the SEC...what a freakin relief!