Who Are We?

[graydogg85]

What are the records of Ryan Day after Urban Meyer, Lincoln Riley after Bob Stoops . Those are more modern examples. Build the program , hire the right successor and it will hum. JMO.

Fair enough - Ryan Day was 13-1 in his first year, and Lincoln Riley was 12-2. Both of those results are still attainable for this team although I am not sure it’s likely.

I’d argue that it’s a bit different in that both guys were internally promoted assistants who retained much of the schemes and staff from their predecessors. Not as much of a learning curve. I’d also argue they both played in slightly weaker conferences.

There was no one on our 2023 staff that I would have been thrilled to promote to HC - and frankly Oklahoma and Ohio State took big gambles doing what they did. They were the exception rather than the rule; more often you end up with a Bobby Williams at Michigan State situation, or what’s happening at Michigan this season. You’ve also seen somewhat diminishing returns over time from Day and Riley.

I think we made the right move and hired the best available outside sitting head coach who would take the job, and we will have to live with some of the growing pains and learning curves.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

What is a DeBoer player? Elite receivers, running backs, tight ends, defensive players across the board. What does he need?

This team is a rudderless ship with everyone rowing however they want. These guys are too good, or too focused on other things, to work on fundamentals, so the giant picture gets skewed.

You’ve got guys on the sidelines throwing helmets and parading around for a tackle.

These guys ran the attention to detail and focus on doing it right off with Saban.

They better grow up and realize that the focus on details, fundamentals, self motivation are what makes your value go up, not acting a fool on the field.

What is a DeBoer player? He's probably used to Joe Moore award winning linemen who don't constantly whiff on blocks like ours have done all season. I'm sure he was shocked when he got to Alabama the line he inherited was worse than the one he had at UW. DeBoers OL at UW was better than ours. He was also used to a QB that had QB coaching rather than the under coached, under developed Milroe.

Have you ever wondered what CKD has thought about what he inherited compared to what he thought he was inheriting? He's not going to publicly say it but my guess is there's somethings he's been let down about as well. That "disappointment" thing is a two way street...

 

[AlexanderFan]

What is a DeBoer player? He's probably used to Joe Moore award winning linemen who don't constantly whiff on blocks like ours have done all season. I'm sure he was shocked when he got to Alabama the line he inherited was worse than the one he had at UW. DeBoers OL at UW was better than ours. He was also used to a QB that had QB coaching rather than the under coached, under developed Milroe.

Have you ever wondered what CKD has thought about what he inherited compared to what he thought he was inheriting? He's not going to publicly say it but my guess is there's somethings he's been let down about as well. That "disappointment" thing is a two way street...

I haven’t blamed the coaching yet, I’m not sure we’ve seen it yet.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I haven’t blamed the coaching yet, I’m not sure we’ve seen it yet.

I think we need to put into context the complaints we had under Saban and how it feeds into what CKD is working with. The following issues we complained about under Saban in the last five years of his tenure that I'm sure CKD is still having to work through:

*Under developed OL's relative to the "star" ratings

*A QB who outside of this season has had crappy QB coaching by previous staffs.

*A team whose DL's and LB's have struggled to get pressure on the QB since 2018.

CDK didn't inherit the 2012 Alabama roster.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

Nah, I have a birthday party for my son and wouldn’t be able to watch the game anyway. College football has been twisted, and it’s unrecognizable. It’s no longer fun to watch Bama play.

I felt that way too, for a while. But I hate to admit defeat, to give up, or give in. I hate losing and quitting is losing, basically. We fans complain about players quitting the team and then we find ourselves doing the same. I decided I am not going to abandon a lifelong Bama fan ship, yelling Roll Tide and acting like an idiot (sometimes). So, I do my best not to get down and out.
Who is Vanderbilt? They brought (or BOUGHT) in 51 transfers. Do these transfers from us knucklehead schools have to meet the Vandy academic standards? I would like to know.

 

[bamajas]

I think we need to put into context the complaints we had under Saban and how it feeds into what CKD is working with. The following issues we complained about under Saban in the last five years of his tenure that I'm sure CKD is still having to work through:

*Under developed OL's relative to the "star" ratings

*A QB who outside of this season has had crappy QB coaching by previous staffs.

*A team whose DL's and LB's have struggled to get pressure on the QB since 2018.

CDK didn't inherit the 2012 Alabama roster.

*Increased penalties, especially at costly times

 

[81usaf92]

I think we need to put into context the complaints we had under Saban and how it feeds into what CKD is working with. The following issues we complained about under Saban in the last five years of his tenure that I'm sure CKD is still having to work through:

*Under developed OL's relative to the "star" ratings

*A QB who outside of this season has had crappy QB coaching by previous staffs.

*A team whose DL's and LB's have struggled to get pressure on the QB since 2018.

CDK didn't inherit the 2012 Alabama roster.

i think had saban stayed we would be the same record but flip Georgia and Vandy, and similar questions.

This year was always going to be a question mark season, but losing a lot of key players and having to totally change philosophies on both sides of the ball makes it a bigger challenge. Rodney Orr tried to tell his board this but they are just like us with fire and pitchforks over the staff. FWIW he predicted 8-4 or 9-3 season this year.

 

[carder24]

Exactly. The “it’s just a game” stuff may work for some people, and that’s fine. Not for me though.

I really resonate with some of you here, will have a thought and jump over to see what other fans are thinking, and there it is, sometimes better or step ahead of trying to understand why I’m not liking the evolvement of the college game either. I used to be an NFL fan, today you about have be invested in fantasy football, or betting, or just like the team names or uniforms…it’s just watching football, but emotionally not the same, you know the teams too often are teams and players maximizing contracts off the fan base, getting into politics to influence their fan base, players and coaches jumping from team to team, entertainment and individual stats mean more than winning and teamwork. I don’t like seeing even a fraction of that in the college game, but there it is.

 

[carder24]

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You’ve got guys on the sidelines throwing helmets and parading around for a tackle.

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They better grow up and realize that the focus on details, fundamentals, self motivation are what makes your value go up, not acting a fool on the field.

You mean if they want to be winners, to dominate, to be a strong team, to be champions, yes … but what do our players want and are they willing to do what it takes to achieve it? If they want NIL more than to be champions and to grow and mature in the sport, then they are just doing just the things most fans don’t really care to see and support. If they care to be champions, then we should see the effort and dedication week in and week out. That includes the coaching and staff as well, what are their priorities each week and for the team and for the season?

 

[teamplayer]

Fair enough - Ryan Day was 13-1 in his first year, and Lincoln Riley was 12-2. Both of those results are still attainable for this team although I am not sure it’s likely.

I’d argue that it’s a bit different in that both guys were internally promoted assistants who retained much of the schemes and staff from their predecessors. Not as much of a learning curve. I’d also argue they both played in slightly weaker conferences.

There was no one on our 2023 staff that I would have been thrilled to promote to HC - and frankly Oklahoma and Ohio State took big gambles doing what they did. They were the exception rather than the rule; more often you end up with a Bobby Williams at Michigan State situation, or what’s happening at Michigan this season. You’ve also seen somewhat diminishing returns over time from Day and Riley.

I think we made the right move and hired the best available outside sitting head coach who would take the job, and we will have to live with some of the growing pains and learning curves.

Those guys also didn't face the schedule we have. It's very difficult.

 

[bamaga]

Fair enough - Ryan Day was 13-1 in his first year, and Lincoln Riley was 12-2. Both of those results are still attainable for this team although I am not sure it’s likely.

I’d argue that it’s a bit different in that both guys were internally promoted assistants who retained much of the schemes and staff from their predecessors. Not as much of a learning curve. I’d also argue they both played in slightly weaker conferences.

There was no one on our 2023 staff that I would have been thrilled to promote to HC - and frankly Oklahoma and Ohio State took big gambles doing what they did. They were the exception rather than the rule; more often you end up with a Bobby Williams at Michigan State situation, or what’s happening at Michigan this season. You’ve also seen somewhat diminishing returns over time from Day and Riley.

I think we made the right move and hired the best available outside sitting head coach who would take the job, and we will have to live with some of the growing pains and learning curves.

Devils Advocate says Lane Kiffin would have mostly continued the program as was. That said, CKD is the man.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Devils Advocate says Lane Kiffin would have mostly continued the program as was. That said, CKD is the man.

LK already has two losses this year and will almost certainly have more.

I mean, he hired Gol*ing...

 

[BamaFanInTally]

If we are schematically sound and play with maximum effort each play, I can accept the results. The issue is we are neither of those, and barring a 180, I don’t see it happening.

 

[bamadwain]

We're Alabama, that's who!

 

[bamadws56]

I think we need to put into context the complaints we had under Saban and how it feeds into what CKD is working with. The following issues we complained about under Saban in the last five years of his tenure that I'm sure CKD is still having to work through:

*Under developed OL's relative to the "star" ratings

*A QB who outside of this season has had crappy QB coaching by previous staffs.

*A team whose DL's and LB's have struggled to get pressure on the QB since 2018.

CDK didn't inherit the 2012 Alabama roster.

I really appreciate this post.

We have been complaining about the same things for years.
I'd also add discipline: we had more penalties in the last few years than ever before.
Player entitlement: post Michigan loss and before.
Also: we keep talking about how great the roster is relative to the recruiting rankings. How many of those players are still here??? We have been crushed by the portal each year for the last couple of years.

 

[BigPoppa52]

that is somehow 5-1

For now. The hard part of the schedule is about to begin.

 

[cbi1972]

For now. The hard part of the schedule is about to begin.

We already won the game we expected to be the toughest and lost one that has been a "gimme" for decades. I have no idea what to expect from week to week but cross my fingers that some breaks fall our way when it counts.

 

[teamplayer]

We are a team in transition. We have a boom or bust offense that cannot control the line of scrimmage. We have a leaky defense that also cannot control the line of scrimmage. We play with the arrogance and lack of discipline of old Miami teams, yet we cannot seem to tackle guys short of the first down or end zone because we don't appear to be the strongest or hungriest team on the field. That's who we are. However, we are also 5-1 with a couple of solid wins on our resume. IF we can fix a few issues, we can still be a dangerous team with championship aspirations. Roll Tide!

 

[bamaga]

She is actually. No interest from her side, but I enjoy her company.

Ahhh, Friend Zone. Sorry , I couldn't resist either.

 

[BigAlinKnoxville]

The biggest problem is that 95% of the fan base apparently thought that the team would transfer seamlessly into a...

1. New head coach
2. New defensive coordinator
3. New offensive coordinator
4. New playbook and schemes

...and deal with...

1. Player transfers
2. The NIL
3. A new playoff system

...and be undefeated national champions this year.