Who has the better secondary?

[TheRealPokeChop]

Claiborne is an excellent cb, Im yet to be impressed by Mattheu's cover skills, they leave a lot to be desired and it seems to me thats what matters most in a CB. ESPN analysts seem to be willing to overlook him getting beaten in coverage to praise him for his pass rushing and ability to get to the all when its on the ground.

I think our starting corners are better in coverage by a small margin but at safety we have an edge on every team in the country, period. though LSU is second to only one.

 

[Fishhead]

I hope to hell your staff has the same gameplan in situ for us.

Haha, I bet you do! But I hope you realize they don't have that same gameplan with TR, EL, and JF on your side. WVU doesn't run the ball at all, they ONLY throw quick short passes.

Our passing game is short and medium passes - out quick - with the occasional shot downfield.

I know, and I think Maze is a weapon that CAN play a big part in this game if used like Bailey/Austin.

The difference is that we have the ground game and 3rd down conversion rate which WVU just didn't have to back it up.

Agree.

What's interesting to me is that your secondary has been shown to be vulnerable to the short/medium pass - our forte.

Earle, the short/medium pass is not Bama's forte. The running game is.

Our secondary has been shown to be vulnerable to the deep ball occasionally, and Lee, and even JJ a couple of times, have shown a talent for that. It'll be interesting to see how the guys in these two secondaries are drafted. With many positions, a good college player doesn't equate to a good NFL player, for a number of reasons. However, IMO there's pretty much a one on one correlation between excellence in college secondaries and high draft position in the NFL. Let's remember this discussion and check back in after this year's draft and next's. At any rate, I think this is an interesting matchup. I think we open with a short passing attack, with an occasional draw, etc. It'll be interesting to see how LSU responds...

I agree. Claiborne is #1 on Kiper's big board right now. Simon isn't on it, because he's a sophomore. But Claiborne will be the best corner on the field Saturday.

 

[Fishhead]

Claiborne is an excellent cb, Im yet to be impressed by Mattheu's cover skills, they leave a lot to be desired and it seems to me thats what matters most in a CB. ESPN analysts seem to be willing to overlook him getting beaten in coverage to praise him for his pass rushing and ability to get to the all when its on the ground.

I think our starting corners are better in coverage by a small margin but at safety we have an edge on every team in the country, period. though LSU is second to only one.

Anyone that thinks Mathieu is a top flight cover corner is not paying attention. He's a nickel back, and a real good one. He is disruptive and more apt at causing a turnover than anyone I've seen play. But he's no shutdown corner.

Not really sure why this is, but everyone brings Mathieu into discussions like he plays opposite Claiborne. He doesn't. Simon does. Pretty rare for Mathieu to find himself outside on an island. When it does happen, it's either an INT or a long completion. All or nothing.

 

[AlexD]

They did a lot of chasing last year, and not much catching. I don't watch Bama games with the same fine tooth comb I would LSU games, but I'm just going off of what I know. Of course you're gonna think yours are better, of course I'm gonna think LSUs is better. That tells me they're probably both real good.

Really? One had 8 picks last year the other one had 7 the year before. And they had little help from the d-line getting pressure and had raw young CB's. MB is All-American first round and one of the top if not the top safety. Lester is just as good with one year less playing. Both are probable first rounders. I do not think I have even ever heard yours being talked about....ever...

 

[Fishhead]

Really? One had 8 picks last year the other one had 7 the year before. And they had little help from the d-line getting pressure and had raw young CB's. MB is All-American first round and one of the top if not the top safety. Lester is just as good with one year less playing. Both are probable first rounders. I do not think I have even ever heard yours being talked about....ever...

I'm talking specifically about the game against LSU last year. Need I provide video? Barron was doing a lot of chasing, and not much catching. Although he did catch Shepard after about 50 yds. And like you have never heard of Reid or Taylor, I've never heard of Lester. Like I said, I don't pay as much attn to Bama, and you don't pay as much attn to LSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVrYwSRX31w

 

[AlexD]

We are not talking about the game last year we are talking about over all are safeties are better. Lester got a lot of attention leading the nation in picks until the very end of last year. you cant really think yours are better, I am not talking with crimson glasses trust me I have no problem saying when other teams or players are better.

 

[AlexD]

One on one man to man I think LSU has better cover CB's but over it is close and I would have to watch a lot more game film from both to tell.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Earle, the short/medium pass is not Bama's forte. The running game is.

You do understand that we're almost 50-50 balanced, run and pass, totally unlike LSU? And that is even skewed. If it were not for the fact that we've done a lot of handing off in the fourth quarter in signed, sealed and delivered games, our passing yardage would exceed our running yardage by a very considerable amount. As you said, you don't watch Bama that closely, but I'm sure your coaches have. BTW, I don't appreciate the cheap shot on Barron "chasing." He's a damned fine player and your coaches would be happy to have and him and start over anyone you have. Watch where he's drafted, as I said above...

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

I'm talking specifically about the game against LSU last year. Need I provide video? Barron was doing a lot of chasing, and not much catching. Although he did catch Shepard after about 50 yds. And like you have never heard of Reid or Taylor, I've never heard of Lester. Like I said, I don't pay as much attn to Bama, and you don't pay as much attn to LSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVrYwSRX31w

The reason why Mark Barron was chasing is because of our inexperienced corners. We started a true freshman and sophomore last year and Menzie was hurt. It's not because someone burned him. No such luck for LSU this year. Also you made the argument for us. I've never heard of Reid or the other guy and I watch football a lot but you've heard of Barron. Automatically makes our safeties better, at least for argument's sake. Then you said Badger is not a true corner but a nickel back. Makes the argument even more in Bama's favor. He does not cover that well and he is totally undersized.

 

[JTBama]

Earle, the short/medium pass is not Bama's forte. The running game is.


Actually, the short /medium pass is very much Bama's game. Bama is very balanced, the short/medium game is how AJ has thrown for most of his yards.Alabama actually throws to set up the run.

 

[CenLA Tiger]

LSU has two players in their secondary who will likely play on Sundays. Alabama has four. And you "reluctantly conclude it is a draw"? LOL - it is them colored glasses again, me thinks.

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Based on this post alone, I know that you have no clue about LSU's secondary.

Brandon Taylor - S - NFL
Mo Claiborne - CB - NFL

Ok, I concede. There are only two LSU players in the secondary that will play in the NFL............Next Year !!!!!!!!!!!!


The rest are not draft eligible. Ha! Good catch !!!!!!!


Eric Reid - S- NFL - sophomore

Tyrann Mathieu - CB - NFL - sophomore

Tharold Simon - CB - NFL - sophomore (1st round pick) 6'3 corners that can flip their hips AND run are rare.

Craig Losten - S - NFL - Junior (Well, Craig will be but he's not leaving early)

 

[Airborne Tider]

Based on this post alone, I know that you have no clue about LSU's secondary.

Brandon Taylor - S - NFL
Mo Claiborne - CB - NFL

Ok, I concede. There are only two LSU players in the secondary that will play in the NFL............Next Year !!!!!!!!!!!!


The rest are not draft eligible. Ha! Good catch !!!!!!!


Eric Reid - S- NFL - sophomore

Tyrann Mathieu - CB - NFL - sophomore

Tharold Simon - CB - NFL - sophomore (1st round pick) 6'3 corners that can flip their hips AND run are rare.

Craig Losten - S - NFL - Junior (Well, Craig will be but he's not leaving early)

I do agree with a lot of your post and I will make a few points on Bama's secondary. Two of our corners and both safeties will be in the NFL next year. The other corner the year after. Also we have a 6'3" CB who can flip his hips and run as well and they are coached by the best secondary coach in the country. LSU has a phenomenal defensive backfield but this is a losing battle for both sides. No one is gonna convince either side the other team's secondary is better. Period.

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[CenLA Tiger]

I do agree with a lot of your post and I will make a few points on Bama's secondary. Two of our corners and both safeties will be in the NFL next year. The other corner the year after. Also we have a 6'3" CB who can flip his hips and run as well and they are coached by the best secondary coach in the country. LSU has a phenomenal defensive backfield but this is a losing battle for both sides. No one is gonna convince either side the other team's secondary is better. Period.

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I was actually arguing the point that he said LSU will only have TWO players in our current secondary make it to the NFL.

 

[dadleyblane5]

Sorry Uncledad but, we do..period..

 

[gamersfuel]

these type of threads are tough. of course each fanbase is going to argue to the death that theirs is bigger and better. trying to look at this without my crimson colored glasses i'd go with Bama with the better secondary. They tackle better and play smarter. cant take much from the Bama game vs LSU last season because we had first year corners all over the place. you will not see a repeat of that this year.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

This thread has run its natural course and has become chippy. If anyone has really new material, then PM me and I'll be amenable to reopen it...