Poll: Who would you vote for - Barack Obama or Donald Trump?

[CharminTide]

When you start with some valid, meaningful arguments, I respond in kind where necessary. I'm not expecting that to commence any time soon. Your arrogance, with no discernible basis, remains a constant, however.

holy lol -- that behavior has been tested and found to be false, but please continue. :wink:

Out of touch does not mean one disagrees with something but rather, they are ignorant of it.

"out of touch" (with something)
1. not informed about something
2. not reflecting what is true or actual
3. lacking a connection

 

[crimsonaudio]

"out of touch" (with something)
1. not informed about something
2. not reflecting what is true or actual
3. lacking a connection

And none of those round definitions fit the square-shaped hole you're attempting to force them into.

This isn't an issue where people are reflecting something untrue, disconnected or ignorant - it's simply a reflection of the opinion of the folks here.

Once again, you're trying too hard...

 

[ElephanTideis]

holy lol -- that behavior has been tested and found to be false, but please continue. :wink:


"out of touch" (with something)
1. not informed about something
2. not reflecting what is true or actual
3. lacking a connection

How can an opinion poll about Barack Obama versus Donald Trump be true or actual?

 

[CharminTide]

And none of those round definitions fit the square-shaped hole you're attempting to force them into.

This isn't an issue where people are reflecting something untrue, disconnected or ignorant - it's simply a reflection of the opinion of the folks here.

Once again, you're trying too hard...

Nah, it actually makes perfect sense--it's more an issue of your false presumptions erecting a mental block here, and stomping your feet in disagreement won't make your disconnect any less.

But I have far better things to do than waste time with you on this, so the last word is yours if you want it.

 

[CharminTide]

How can an opinion poll about Barack Obama versus Donald Trump be true or actual?

Opinion is opinion, I agree, but the statistical distribution of opinion is a fact that can indeed be true or actual. And that's what I was referencing.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Nah, it actually makes perfect sense--it's more an issue of your false presumptions erecting a mental block here, and stomping your feet in disagreement won't make your disconnect any less.

Pretzel logic.

And I could very easily say the same for you, considering I've already plainly stated I'd vote for neither. I have no horse in this race, except pointing out the fact that you misused (or misunderstood) a term and refuse to admit it.

But I have far better things to do than waste time with you on this, so the last word is yours if you want it.

Expected.

And yes, let's do let it go.

 

[RollTide2U]

the fact that the heavily populated northeast has a different bias than a local alabama board shouldnt be surprising at all. there is the additional consideration that perhaps all those people in the beloved north are wrong and are leading this country into a cesspool and it would be good to not share their views.

one further thing- out of touch and disagreeing with views are two completely different things. most people know and understand the northeast view and we simply dont agree with it. what sends shudders down my spine is not the % difference in votes. what makes me shudder is that those two are our choices. any sane person that isnt an idealogue would see the obvious flaws in both and wouldnt want anything to do with them.

AMEN!

 

[Tide1986]

"Out-of-touch" with the political barometer of the country? Absolutely true, and with links to demonstrate.

If you haven't seen it, you might check out the movie, "12 Angry Men". It's a good example of how barometers can change given a "lone voice" willing to go against the opinion of the majority. interestingly, it also helps explain why homosexuality, for example, is more accepted in today's society than it was 30 years ago. Obviously, the world needs "out of touch" viewpoints to spur future progress.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

"out of touch" (with something)
1. not informed about something
2. not reflecting what is true or actual
3. lacking a connection

Well sir, then it is you who are out of touch because, it is actually pretty true that Obama sucks.

 

[jthomas666]

Obama's certainly not doing a particularly good job--the decision to get involved in Libya was ill-considered at best. Sadly, I don't see anyone lining up for the Republicans who could do a better job. If they could nominate a true centrist, they could take the WH w/ little trouble, but the far right has too much traction to let that happen.

 

[gmart74]

Obama's certainly not doing a particularly good job--the decision to get involved in Libya was ill-considered at best. Sadly, I don't see anyone lining up for the Republicans who could do a better job. If they could nominate a true centrist, they could take the WH w/ little trouble, but the far right has too much traction to let that happen.

it is way too early on a monday for me to agree with everything you said..... :wink:

 

[CharminTide]

If you haven't seen it, you might check out the movie, "12 Angry Men". It's a good example of how barometers can change given a "lone voice" willing to go against the opinion of the majority. interestingly, it also helps explain why homosexuality, for example, is more accepted in today's society than it was 30 years ago. Obviously, the world needs "out of touch" viewpoints to spur future progress.

Oh I certainly agree, although clearly not every outlying viewpoint is a progressive one. But this is no doubt one principle reason why the founders sought to protect the minority view from the tyranny of the majority. Facts can and do change over time, often in unpredictable ways, and especially where the prevailing winds of society are concerned.

 

[ValuJet]

Obama's announcing his reelection campaign this week.

Early on, he said he'd rather be a "really good" one term president rather than a mediocre two term president. So, by his own admission, his first term which is barely into its second half will shape up to be a mediocre one.

I think he's being generous to himself, using "mediocre" to describe his job performance.

 

[CharminTide]

Obama's announcing his reelection campaign this week.

Early on, he said he'd rather be a "really good" one term president rather than a mediocre two term president. So, by his own admission, his first term which is barely into its second half will shape up to be a mediocre one.

I think he's being generous to himself, using "mediocre" to describe his job performance.

Of course, these options don't preclude him from being a really good two-term president.

 

[CrimsonChuck]

I will vote for Obama no matter who he is running against. I don't think he has be perfect, but I have agreed with him about 75%-80% of the time.

 

[RollTide2U]

All I know is, official polls are done with a particular formula of a sampling of the electorate. They're weighted according to percentages of Democrats, Republicans, Independents, etc. which mirrors the percentages of the electorate who affiliate themselves with those parties. The poll here isn't a scientific one. It's not even a reflection of everyone who is a member here. It's only a reflection of the people who decided to participate, which by no means can be compared to a scientifically conducted poll.

So a statement saying that the people here are "out of touch" based upon the voluntary poll here and comparing it to the "Daily Beast/Newsweek" poll is either just tongue-in-cheek and making a silly joke, or out of touch with reality in and of itself. How can you seriously compare the two?

Having said that, presidential polls taken right now don't mean "jack" anyway. I think that the American people demonstrated as recently as November of last year that they are not happy with the direction Obama was taking the country and they wanted many things stopped. The healthcare law remains very unpopular. So if you take the most recent polling of the American electorate, it's quite clear that Obama's policies are "out of touch" with the American people. Presidential polls taken before everyone declares they're actually running are useless.

 

[ValuJet]

all i know is, official polls are done with a particular formula of a sampling of the electorate. They're weighted according to percentages of democrats, republicans, independents, etc. Which mirrors the percentages of the electorate who affiliate themselves with those parties. The poll here isn't a scientific one. It's not even a reflection of everyone who is a member here. It's only a reflection of the people who decided to participate, which by no means can be compared to a scientifically conducted poll.

So a statement saying that the people here are "out of touch" based upon the voluntary poll here and comparing it to the "daily beast/newsweek" poll is either just tongue-in-cheek and making a silly joke, or out of touch with reality in and of itself. How can you seriously compare the two?

Having said that, presidential polls taken right now don't mean "jack" anyway. I think that the american people demonstrated as recently as november of last year that they are not happy with the direction obama was taking the country and they wanted many things stopped. The healthcare law remains very unpopular. So if you take the most recent polling of the american electorate, it's quite clear that obama's policies are "out of touch" with the american people. Presidential polls taken before everyone declares they're actually running are useless.

extremist!!

 

[gmart74]

I will vote for Obama no matter who he is running against. I don't think he has be perfect, but I have agreed with him about 75%-80% of the time.

is that a joke? even dems are frustrated by obama. he has backed out of most of his pledges during his campaign. he has offered extremely limited guidance and leadership. please tell me what he has done to garner your unwavering support? if you agree with 80% of what he has done then you either arent paying close enough attention or you have a very odd outlook on how things should be.

 

[RollTide2U]

extremist!!

:biggrin2: I'm a gun-toter too.

 

[ValuJet]

is that a joke? even dems are frustrated by obama. he has backed out of most of his pledges during his campaign. he has offered extremely limited guidance and leadership. please tell me what he has done to garner your unwavering support? if you agree with 80% of what he has done then you either arent paying close enough attention or you have a very odd outlook on how things should be.

Even during the Gulf Oil Spill, he was trying to figure out "whose a-- to kick." I don't think he figured that out, but we the middle class seem to be the ones that got hammered extra hard.