LSU's QB Jordan Jefferson and LB Josh Johns arrested and suspended indefinitely

[bamadp]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

None of the LSU football players should have been at a bar after midnight anyway. Having said that, you can't count on 21 year olds to make the best decisions. We've alll done things when we're 21 that we wouldn't do at 41. Mixing youngsters, alcohol, and women is trouble waiting to happen. When you're twenty one, you think you're "bulletproof", being a big time athlete combined with peer pressure only exacerbates the situation.

Taking all that's happened into account, I don't think it will hurt LSU all that much...if any. The same things have been true for many, many years...the team that runs the ball best and plays defense wins about 90% of the time. On paper at least... that points toward LSU. Besides, their one and only loss needs to be in Tuscaloosa. :biggrin:

 

[colbysullivan]

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Am I the only one that realizes LSU will be better without Jefferson? Quite frankly, I'm shocked mettenberger wasn't given the job when he got on campus. Jefferson and Lee have been terrible for 3 years. They are maybe good for 2 or 3 plays a game and terrible the rest. IMO, here's how it will play out: Lee will throw a couple pick-sixes against oregon and mettenberger will come in and save the day.

 

[red55]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

You have to keep a sense of humor.

If Jeffersons teammates didn't have the truck well-blocked, he should have scrambled out of trouble or just taken the sack.

 

[Jessica4Bama]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

You have to keep a sense of humor.

If Jeffersons teammates didn't have the truck well-blocked, he should have scrambled out of trouble or just taken the sack.

Hehe. I guess you do have to keep the humor.

What is your opinion (you may have already said)? You think ya'll will be fine or are ya'll worried about Lee?

 

[RedStar]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

We talked about the shoe thing at work today. Counting the pair he was wearing, it was what? 50?


Sounds like a lot, but think about it like this. How many pairs of shoes do you have? Me personally, between basketball, golf, softball cleats, work boots, hiking shoes, kayak/water shoes, loafers, tennis shoes, flip flops, etc.. I have maybe 15 pairs, maybe 20?

A college athlete like Jefferson has already been on campus for 3 full seasons. He'll get free shoes from Nike for nearly every game, not including wet cleats for when it rains, and short spike cleats for turf. Who knows how many shoes he gets or goes through at practice, 1 per week? I know my friend who was a basketball manager at MSU told me the players got a new pair each and every game.

I'm not sure they get to keep these shoes & cleats, but I assume they do.

Over the course of 3 full seasons worth of games & practices, as well as shoes he already owns for everyday use, church, etc... 50 pairs of shoes isn't too outlandish.

We had a slow day at work

 

[RedStar]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

I certainly won't say they've improved if JJ is suspended, but they definitely haven't dropped off much. Both JJ and Lee are horrid QBs. JJ just has an added edge of athleticism that Lee doesn't. So, yeah, they lose that....but.....

This.

If anything I was taking a jab at Jefferson. I just don't think he's that good. Will they be better without him? Probably not. Maybe in the long run they could be, but definitely not against Oregon or the first part of their schedule.

Mainly, I just don't think they'll drop off. They'll do what they did last year, rely on their defense and win anywhere between 10-12 games.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

Les Miles made the only decision he could make. He had no choice in the matter.
When the BR. Officers got the Felony warrants on Jefferson, his college career
was effectively over...
Next:
Ya gotta question the decision making skills of Jefferson?
Lastly:
All college kids are cautioned about getting into it with 'Townees'.
It's a given that the desire to go 'Up the Road', is pretty high for college students,
but they've got to know when a bad decision is a bad decision...
An off campus fight is always a really bad decision.

 

[teamplayer]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

Les Miles made the only decision he could make. He had no choice in the matter.
When the BR. Officers got the Felony warrants on Jefferson, his college career
was effectively over...
Next:
Ya gotta question the decision making skills of Jefferson?
Lastly:
All college kids are cautioned about getting into it with 'Townees'.
It's a given that the desire to go 'Up the Road', is pretty high for college students,
but they've got to know when a bad decision is a bad decision...
An off campus fight is always a really bad decision.

Why couldn't they just get in a bike race with the cutters? Great movie.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

Stay home and play xbox. You have the next 60 years to get into bar fights.

You make curfew this doesn't happen, period

JJ made multiple stupid mistakes that night and unfortunately deserves everything he's going to get

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

This.

If anything I was taking a jab at Jefferson. I just don't think he's that good. Will they be better without him? Probably not. Maybe in the long run they could be, but definitely not against Oregon or the first part of their schedule.

Mainly, I just don't think they'll drop off. They'll do what they did last year, rely on their defense and win anywhere between 10-12 games.

As bad as JJ was, Lee is really worse. The all world 3rd stringer hasn't impressed enough to move past Jordan and Lee. Sorry, no way on earth they don't fall off. They just have to and the lines will show it. That's the place to look...

 

[red55]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

Hehe. I guess you do have to keep the humor.

What is your opinion (you may have already said)? You think ya'll will be fine or are ya'll worried about Lee?

Honestly, the drop off from Jefferson to Lee ain't that big. Lee has always been a better passer, but Jefferson's legs kept him on the first team. He's not the freshman thrown to the wolves after Perrilloux's dismissal any more. He's a senior and a much better player now. He saved three games last season when Jefferson was cold. Lee has dropped his weight from 235 to 205 and is more mobile than he once was. He won't be running a lot of option, like Jefferson, but the passing game may get better. Jefferson was a better athlete, but Lee has always had better mental agility.

Mettenberger has raw talent but has not faced top-caliber defenses, yet. Now he will get more playing time and improve faster.

 

[red55]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

I know my friend who was a basketball manager at MSU told me the players got a new pair each and every game.

I know for a fact that Shaq wore a new pair of size 21 Nikes for every game at LSU. Nike gives a lot of shoes to athletes at schools with Nike contracts. They were very upset back in the 90's when Chris Jackson was pictured on the cover of Sports Illustrated wearing Cons around campus. They want those players to have plenty of Nike shoes to wear.

Over the course of 3 full seasons worth of games & practices, as well as shoes he already owns for everyday use, church, etc... 50 pairs of shoes isn't too outlandish.

We had a slow day at work

One thing that was pointed out today by one of my grad assistants was that kids in most public schools in south Louisiana must wear school uniforms. About the only fashion statement such kids can make is their shoes. Twelve years in the system can make a feller into a shoe-junkie.

 

[HooverTider31]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but...

Something struck me as seriously strange about this whole thing, but has been overshadowed by Fight Night at Shady's...did it seem odd that Les Miles' first statement in the press conference was that the players curfew was at 10:30 pm that night?

What?? Having played and coached in college, it seemed way out of line to me that the team would have such a strict curfew since fall camp had just concluded with no practice the next day and school was not starting until Monday of the next week. Any player I know in that position would have laughed at that idea of a 10:30 curfew and been ready to revolt!

I surmise that either 15 players chose to risk getting caught for breaking curfew by being at a bar next to campus (unlikely)....or no curfew ever existed and the players were allowed to have one night to blow off some steam after camp. Either way, it shows either the lack of respect for CLS and the team rules or Miles was lying and covering his mad hat ..... after the whole night blew up into an MMA match...

Based on Miles' history, I will tend to believe the latter...after all time management is his biggest weakness!!

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

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I maintain that Lee's "success" over the last 2 years is a combination of not making as poor decisions but also steping into a game against a D that had prepared to see an option all day. And to be honest, most teams defended that option pretty well, until Lee would come in and actually throw down field.

I would agree with others that its not a huge drop off, but its a killer for depth and honestly I'd rather game plan for Lee than Jefferson, pocket presence is bad either way but at lest Lee wont be picking up a lot of first downs with his legs.

 

[Hankster2]

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I maintain that Lee's "success" over the last 2 years is a combination of not making as poor decisions but also steping into a game against a D that had prepared to see an option all day. And to be honest, most teams defended that option pretty well, until Lee would come in and actually throw down field.

I would agree with others that its not a huge drop off, but its a killer for depth and honestly I'd rather game plan for Lee than Jefferson, pocket presence is bad either way but at lest Lee wont be picking up a lot of first downs with his legs.

Agreed. Not to mention Lee seemed to crumble under the pressure of starting quarterback early in his career. He had some decent outings last year but he was never really "The Guy", rather he was at most "One Of The Guys" or "The Guy Temporarily Replacing The Guy". It'll be interesting to see how he handles the mental pressures this go-round or if being back in the spotlight with the full weight of the team's success on his shoulders causes him to revert to his old ways.

 

[crimson fan man]

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I believe alot of fans for lsu is upset because jefferson had a big game against Alabama last year and they hang on to that. To many quarterbacks have a career day against us and suck the rest of the year. The thing about it is this years defense is not going to let that happen.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Yah, ignoring the fact that Lee couldn't beat out JJ for the starting job...

What happens now when teams tee off on Lee? What if he gets injured?

Trial by fire for the newbie...

 

[BamaMoon]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

I maintain that Lee's "success" over the last 2 years is a combination of not making as poor decisions but also steping into a game against a D that had prepared to see an option all day. And to be honest, most teams defended that option pretty well, until Lee would come in and actually throw down field.

I would agree with others that its not a huge drop off, but its a killer for depth and honestly I'd rather game plan for Lee than Jefferson, pocket presence is bad either way but at lest Lee wont be picking up a lot of first downs with his legs.

Outstanding insight. Good thing (maybe bad for LSU) is we get to see in about one week.

 

[CrimsonBleedRed]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

The best thing my parents ever taught me was, "nothing good ever happens after midnight." I think this case proves them right.

 

[CenLA Tiger]

Re: Jordan Jefferson in serious barfight

Time for us LSU fans to get behind Jarrett.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siklayj020s