Johnny Manziel investigated by NCAA (will miss first half vs Rice)

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

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If by fry, you mean pay it back and play the 2013 season.

Exactly...

 

[BigEasyTider]

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How much do you think we can get the REC to pay this guy for the video? Heck we could get contribution from the other fanbases on A&M's schedule this year lol.

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[KrAzY3]

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The problem is they still have no proof of payment. They can have all the video they want of him signing items but they have to prove he received money.

Since when? If you're applying Cam Newton rules, sure... but if you're applying the rules they used when hammering several other schools, they certainly don't have to prove anything.

With this issue, I feel kind of bad for A&M. Either they have to basically play dirty, go the Auburn route and try to act like this is a court of law (which confusingly did work before), or they try to do the right thing and suspend Johnny and cooperate. Given what I've seen of the NCAA, they might not even do much to A&M, but... the worst part of the NCAA's behavior over the past decade or so is that they've demonstrated they treat people who cooperate worse than those that don't.

If you go back to the legal system comparison, that's absurd. You reward the guy that cooperates... to me, that's where the NCAA went wrong. They basically made it clear to schools that they shouldn't cooperate, that they'd show no leniency if the school cooperated, but they'd back down to lawyers.

 

[derek4tide]

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My favorite part -

On the videos, which the broker said were recorded without Manziel's knowledge, ESPN heard Manziel say "you never did a signing with me" and that if the broker were to tell anyone, he would refuse to deal with him again in the future. Manziel, who appeared comfortable throughout the video recordings, also said if asked, he would say he had simply been approached by various autograph seekers.

Ol Johnny knows how the game goes. He is smarter than the Ohio State gang from tattoo-gate.

 

[RollTide1224]

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That would be such an honor for me haha. Although the way they got hammered by A&M last year I think the would be wise to contribute, that was a horrific beating.

 

[Catfish]

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Ol Johnny knows how the game goes. He is smarter than the Ohio State gang from tattoo-gate.

I have pets smarter than the Ohio State gang from tattoo-gate (including Tressel).

 

[TideEngineer08]

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This still just seems like a lot of hot air. Without money changing hands, and proof thereof, I don't see anything happening to him.

 

[Go Bama]

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Nothing may happen to JM's playing status, but now everyone knows he's guilty and he knew what he was doing. His hands are dirty.

 

[TideEngineer08]

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Can somebody who knows the rules clear this up? I thought that was only for incidental benefits of marginal value.

You are correct. Look at recent cases involving AJ Green and our own Marcel Dareus. They had to pay back the money AND they missed games. Green missed 4; seems like Dareus missed 2.

 

[tide96]

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I'm up to 80% he does not play Alabama.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

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Maybe he'll get suspended for 24 hours...

 

[BigEasyTider]

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This still just seems like a lot of hot air. Without money changing hands, and proof thereof, I don't see anything happening to him.

The NCAA has never explicitly required definitive proof of monetary transfers -- in fact they've almost never required it before doling out punishment -- and as voluminous as the circumstantial evidence is here I tend to doubt they will require it in this case.

Nothing may happen to JM's playing status, but now everyone knows he's guilty and he knew what he was doing. His hands are dirty.

The most crucial part of this latest revelation is that it proves scienter on Manziel's part beyond any reasonable doubt whatsoever. That will most certainly change how the NCAA addresses this ordeal. If this video actually surfaces, it makes it clear that he undertook an intentional act that he knew was in violation of the rules and that, moreover, he actively took step to avoid being caught.

 

[TideEngineer08]

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Can somebody who knows the rules clear this up? I thought that was only for incidental benefits of marginal value.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5585220

AJ Green's case was over 1000 dollars. Had to repay to charity and suspended for 4 games.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/09/tides_dareus_will_serve_a_two-.html

Dareus's case was over 1700 dollars and change, and he had to repay and missed 2 games. I can't remember why the variance in games missed.

 

[rickvox79]

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Maybe he'll get suspended for 24 hours...

The Cam Newton rule....

 

[TideEngineer08]

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The NCAA has never explicitly required definitive proof of monetary transfers -- in fact they've almost never required it before doling out punishment -- and as voluminous as the circumstantial evidence is here I tend to doubt they will require it in this case.

I'm not referring to what the NCAA's manual says or doesn't say. It's just my gut feeling on the whole deal. You know more about these things than I do, so I defer to you, but still I have doubts that this goes anywhere.

 

[RTR91]

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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5585220

AJ Green's case was over 1000 dollars. Had to repay to charity and suspended for 4 games.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/09/tides_dareus_will_serve_a_two-.html

Dareus's case was over 1700 dollars and change, and he had to repay and missed 2 games. I can't remember why the variance in games missed.

I believe Dareus was pretty up front with the NCAA along with Bama's compliance department doing everything it possibly could to take care of the situation.

 

[BigEasyTider]

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You are correct. Look at recent cases involving AJ Green and our own Marcel Dareus. They had to pay back the money AND they missed games. Green missed 4; seems like Dareus missed 2.

Or you can compare that to kids from North Carolina and Miami, for example, who were given bans that in some cases were for the entire year, or who were declared permanently ineligible for college athletics.

Really an open menu for the NCAA, and they can do whatever they want. Restitution will be part of it, but the length of the suspension is really up for grabs.

 

[kat4bama]

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TMZ or someone else will probably buy the video.

 

[Crimson Cat]

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ESPN has acknowledged the tapes exist; If somebody like TMZ buys them, that could be enough. NCAA isn't a court of law, they just need enough to make a determination that he violated the rules.

This is also in addition to the alleged signings mentioned in the recent article.

This still just seems like a lot of hot air. Without money changing hands, and proof thereof, I don't see anything happening to him.

 

[TideEngineer08]

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ESPN has acknowledged the tapes exist; If somebody like TMZ buys them, that could be enough. NCAA isn't a court of law, they just need enough to make a determination that he violated the rules.

This is also in addition to the alleged signings mentioned in the recent article.

I had not considered the point in bold. Johnny's fame is probably going to be his undoing in all of this.