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Jameis Winston investigated for sexual assault - and...no charges to be filed...

Re: Jameis Winston investigated for sexual assault - update: DNA match found

I'm not offering an opinion on whether the decision not to prosecute was just. However, I think that sometimes how things are said are pretty important. Check out these snippets from the press conference.

The behavior on exhibition there was out-rageous. Bunch of good ol' boys slapping each other on their backs. We really ought to hold public officials to higher account.
 
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Mamacalled said:
I think most of you wanted to happen to him without knowing anything about him but just because he chose a different school. .1 is like having two beers, hardly enough to not be aware of one's actions. If she didn't know him then why did she go to his apartment after having sex with someone else?
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I blew a .071 at a state police roadblock after drinking at least a 12 pack and was drinking on a beer when I come upon the roadblock. Not that that has anything to do with this case. And by the way I didn't get a DUI. Had to call my cousin and his wife from down the road to come drive my truck home for me but no jail at least! ;)

Have you never been to someones home or apartment that you did not know? I have many times over the years but mostly with someone that did know them. Was she alone when she went to his apartment? Haven't read the report and I doubt I will. Truth is if you were not there you are taking someone elses word for what happened that has a whole lot to lose.

Maybe we will find out what the girl is gaining from all this down the road because that is the only reason why I could see someone making a false charge against someone. Find out what she has to gain and then we have motive for her charge.
 
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B1GTide said:
I have no skin in this game - what happens with FSU has no bearing on OSU's BCSCG hopes. Here's what we now know:

Meggs said that she did not know him - so that is a fact. Better than 98% of rape cases reported in which the victim does not know the attacker are legit, so this is HUGE and almost impossible to overcome.

She had sex with her boyfriend that evening before she went out and was raped - not a stranger. Not sure what that makes her, as she never lied to the police about it, she just refused to volunteer his name. So the second set of DNA is meaningless in this case, but Meggs made it out to be some sort of a problem for him in prosecution. No idea why.

She was drinking, but she was not absurdly drunk and they found no other drugs in her system. What conclusions do we draw from that? Part of her story was that she was too drunk to remember where is apartment was. Not hard to believe if she was just raped her memory might have been effected, even if she was not totally drunk. Meggs turned this into another problem with prosecution. He was blaming her for her poor memory, and saw no reason for it (his words). How about being raped?

Finally, Meggs said that there were no inconsistencies in the girl's story - just memory lapses. Anyone who has performed any sort of investigation understands that liars are easily caught by their story inconsistencies. Her story remained the same, even when retelling it 11 months later. That is pretty damning, too.

I do not see how anyone could see all of this and choose not to put this in front of a jury. I feel horrible for this girl. As of right now, given the information available, as far as I am concerned Winston is a rapist.
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Perhaps State's Attorney simply figured a jury in that county would not convict a FSU player no matter the evidence. Don't forget that he must run for re-election there and a platform of tubing the Heisman hopes of the home school QB and perhaps costing them a championship might not be good for his career.
 
I will give him the benefit of the doubt bc I tutored a kid falsely accused of rape. The only thing that saved him was a security camera and a condom in.a sink.
 
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As far as not remembering his apartment or any of that nonsense...

I forget my own hotel room number. I've done it multiple times, I just forget to pay attention, leave the room and come back like wait, I think this is it. If that sort of thing had any relevance to the case, well that's just ridiculous. Just like the whole, she wasn't drunk enough thing... So far all I've heard are the sort of things only a defense attorney should care about. I'm surprised we didn't hear about a glove not fitting.
 
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Moms and dads should think long and hard before letting their daughters go to FSU.
 
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PaulD said:
Perhaps State's Attorney simply figured a jury in that county would not convict a FSU player no matter the evidence. Don't forget that he must run for re-election there and a platform of tubing the Heisman hopes of the home school QB and perhaps costing them a championship might not be good for his career.
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Paul, he's not running for reelection. I would like to know if he has an overhanging campaign debt from the last run...
 
Re: Jameis Winston investigated for sexual assault - update: DNA match found

I was expecting, after hearing Meggs' harping about reading the report, that there would be some sort of damning evidence in there that shot holes in the girl's story. I didn't see that.


From my non-legal perspective, all I saw - regarding the incident itself and ignoring the investigation(s) into it - was that:

1) The girl reported the rape immediately after it occurred and maintained that the sex was not consensual, though she claimed to have experienced memory lapses during the evening.
2) The girl's statements and the statements of her friends/acquaintances neither disagreed with each other nor changed over time.
3) Winston stated that they had sex but it was consensual.
4) Winston's statements and the statements of his friends/acquaintances did not disagree with each other.
5) The girl's statements and the statements of her friends/acquaintances were initially taken immediately after the incident.
6) Winston's statements and the statements of his friends/acquaintances were initially taken after the investigation had become public knowledge, months after legal counsel was retained on Winston's behalf.


The only holes I'm seeing here are in the potential for Winston and his boys to rehearse a good story. I was expecting to see something like a text message from the girl to a friend where she mentions Winston by name while having told the police that she didn't know who he was. Or perhaps something even more damning, like a text or email from before or after the event where the girl talks about "setting up" someone for a rape charge.

Unless I'm just completely missing something here, I don't see anything in the report that would compel anyone to believe that the girl is lying.


Earle, Belle, other legal eagles --- What am I missing?
 
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uafan4life said:
Earle, Belle, other legal eagles --- What am I missing?
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Heisman candidate.

A good journalist would make a compelling story out of this, especially if they do their digging into Winston's past. The sad thing is, this will end up making college football look worse. Penn St. reminded us, and this case shows that rape is different if it happened in a college football town...
 
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Bruce014 said:
20% higher, right? Unless the actual DUI limit is 0.75.
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Depends on what Bamaro means.

You're right. There's another way to look at it, too. .1-.08=.02. .02 is 1/4 of .08, which is 25%
 
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