Greg Sankey on SEC officiating
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On replay, there was some shifting of the ball - always in control - so I understand the call. In real time it happened fast, and the ball was moving...
Just glad we have replay.
That all happens behind closed doors though. My point is basically it needs to be much, much more transparent. Why are they hiding? If they are doing such great job, from their point of view, then stand behind that job.
Another subjective call that could be made more black or white is wether the ground caused a fumble or not. Who cares? If you changed the rules to “losing possession of the ball before the play is blown dead is a fumbleâ€Â....that would be much easier for referees to get right.
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But again, a whistle varies from person to person. If we have the tech use it.
Plus if a RB falls down after being touched and the whistle hasn’t blown yet, he should be able to get up again? And where do you mark it? Where the ball was at the whistle? What if his knee is down at the 2, but was in end zone when the whistle blows?
It’s not a new phenomenon though. Bennett used to get held on almost every play. I remember him bending the refs ear about it on the way to the locker room at halftime of a UT game in Knoxville.
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I've hesitated to get into this thread, because I'm going to have some really negative things to say about SEC officiating, and it's just going to come off as butt hurt Bama fan. So, I'll be brief: the stats that appeared here on Tidefans some time ago, showing the number of offensive holding calls on Alabama opponents against our defense, versus the number of holding calls our offense has had thrown against our opponent defenses, tells me all I need to know. I don't think it rises to the level of league officiating conspiracy against Alabama, but it's not accidental either, or just a statistical anomaly. There is something to it.
They have let everyone get away with it for many years, I doubt it’s going to change in a week.
I realize you didn’t say this, but I’m just pointing out how much I hate the “You can call holding on every play†argument. The only reason teams hold on every play is because the refs WILL. NOT. CALL. IT!
If the refs did their jobs properly, this crap would stop.
I don't mind when an o-lineman keeps his hands inside and grabs a fist full of jersey. That is necessary today, with DTs, DEs and OLBs as big and fast as they are. What I can't stand to see not called are the hooks. They are clearly visible, and they are clearly illegal. These get called almost every time in the NFL, and almost never in college football.
That's UMich1's research. I referenced it in the other thread where officiating came up, the LSU v. AU thread. Unfortunately, his hosting on his graphs has disappeared. They were amazing. Bama's dot was way off the Y axis by itself. It's really something to hear UM fans discussing how Bama's discriminated against. As I said in the other thread, it's a built-in disadvantage we have to overcome in every game and the stats prove it. And then you have all of our opponents saying we get all the calls. Ridiculous!
I don’t want them to call it every time - just call it when it happens on a 30 yard run or 50 yard pass. Call it when it hurts - and let them know you will do it every time they rip off a big play until they stop.
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Yes, all D1 officials are graded on every play. Not just fouls and no calls but also mechanics and positioning, spots, penalty enforcement, catch/no catch, etc. There are approximately 180 plays each game with 7 officials reach having conservatively 10 things to observe each play. Add that up and there are 12k potential decisions the officials make in a game. Even if you cut that in half it's 6k. Now let's say they made 20 mistakes in as game which would be very high and create major outrage by fans and media rightly so. That's still 99% accuracy. Not too shabby.
I assume the reason they don't expose the grading is because it's a no win situation. If the call was determined incorrect and it went against your team it only creates more outrage. If the call was determined to be correct fans will assume they were covering up for the official and don't believe it. They've added rules experts to the booth and guys like Terry McAuley and Mike Pereira tweet times interps and fans lose their minds either way.
As a fan what kind of accountability do you want to see? The best of the best are working these games. If they are suspended someone below then will take their place. And where are they getting them from from? The people below them are working in other conferences. This movement takes place in the off-season but to do it in season would be difficult. Games are taken away and postseason assignments are the Holy Grail for officials. Not getting one is devastating especially for D1 officials (they have a lot more postseason opportunities than small college guys).
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The "ground can't cause a fumble" is announcer speak and not actually a rule. The rule is a runner is down when he has possession and anything but his hand or foot contacts the ground. So he's down when his arm contacts the ground and it doesn't matter what happens after. If the ball comes out after that it's already a dead ball. How would you purpose that rule is rewritten to change this?
The other thing to note is there are like 48 ways the ball becomes dead. For example, incomplete pass, runner down, run out of bounds, touchdown. Only one of those involves the whistle and that's an inadvertent whistle. The whistle is used to announce in other instances the play is dead but it's always dead by rule before the whistle blows. Coaches love to say "play to the whistle" which can be dangerous. If the whistle is delayed for some reason they can be guilty of a foul because they hadn't heard a whistle. The coaches want their players to play until the end of the down, but it can lead to fouls if the the player is overly aggressive.
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Sorry, but this is crap. Example - a head coach can get everything correct in his program - increase ticket sales and other revenue, recruit well, build a great coaching staff, graduate his players, keep them out of trouble, get them drafted into the NFL, etc. But the head coach is going to be graded on one thing - wins and losses. He isn't going to keep his job because he got the other things right. Why? Because this is a game about winning. Fail in that and the rest doesn't matter. Oh, it matters to the players, but not to the game, and the game is what college football is all about.
So you think that officials who screw up 20 big calls in a game deserve a 99 out of 100 on their grading sheet - an A+. Seriously, only an official could possibly think this way. Everyone else sees the impact of those 20 bad calls on the game and realizes that the crew failed. Grade - F. Why? Because it effected the outcome of the game, and the game is all that matters.
What kind of accountability do we hope for? Speaking for myself, I want to see officials fired who clearly see an impactful foul and fail to throw their flag. We have cameras everywhere now. We can see it when it happens. I want to see an official fired who clearly cannot see a foul and throws a flag anyway because he saw a player reaction and assumed that the foul must have taken place.
Call what you see. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. If an official can't or won't do that - fire them. If they know they will get fired, they will stop with this crap and call the game straight. Players and coaches will have to get back to executing within the rules. The game will be better served.
Officials think that they are above the game. They are not. They are no more important than any piece of equipment designed to keep the players safe. Yes, necessary for play, but a whole lot less important than the players, coaches and fans. They need to be put back in their place. For that to happen, many will need to be fired for their incredible incompetence - replaced like a faulty piece of equipment.
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It's hilarious that the attitude is that somehow officiating a game is so difficult no human could possibly not make 20-ish mistakes in a three hour period.
Maybe pay officials more money so we can get rid of the crappy ones that are currently attracted by the crappy pay, because we're obviously attracting people who cannot conceive of actually performing excellently at their job.
Maybe pay officials more money so we can get rid of the crappy ones that are currently attracted by the crappy pay, because we're obviously attracting people who cannot conceive of actually performing excellently at their job.
I think for Power 5 games you have 6-8 officials watching from monitors in a room. Have 4-6 on the field to place the ball, move the chains, be near sidelines to record timeouts. And if the 6-8 see a penalty, push the yellow button which triggers a flag from the field officials.
Use tech to perfect it. But let trained officials watch instead of running around, being out of position, getting knocked down or assuming a penalty based on how it looked from their angle.
Use tech to perfect it. But let trained officials watch instead of running around, being out of position, getting knocked down or assuming a penalty based on how it looked from their angle.
Now that is an idea that I had not considered. With the tech that we have available today, we are assured of seeing improved officiating.
ETA - the only problem that I see is that the camera crews are paid by the networks. To be sure that you have correct angles to view certain penalties, they would need to stop following the ball on every play. So, you either need to add cameras somehow or get ready for fewer angles on important possession type calls.
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Along with an increase in accountability I would like a to see some sort of cross conference rotation. Some leagues seem to officials that call it one way and other conferences another.
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