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Well, we are discussing what is the best opportunity to for a Democrat in a Red State and I believe this is the best approach.

There is no magic message that is going to turn a Red State blue overnight. Progress is likely instead of losing elections 70-30 losing 60-40 then 55-45. The Democrats in the South didnt get in the ditch overnight and they wont get out of it overnight. The Alabama Democrat Party has virtually no leadership, no campaign infrastructure, and no fundraising apparatus. They can't even contest elections.
that's where the georgia democrats were 10-15 years ago
 
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I have already suggested some messaging that i think would resonate. But here are a few more...

- Expanded medicare access
- Lower drug and insurance premiums
You support socialized medicine

- Medical solution to substance abuse
- Carveout for medical marijuana
You are pro drugs
- Expanded support to mental heath
More socialized medicine
- Childcare support
I’m not raising someone else’s kids
- Social security preservation
Another tax hike

- Middle class tax relief
You mean more welfare
- Expanded rural Healthcare
See above
- Expanded access to day after pill
Baby killer
- Expanded training and support for law enforcement
Code for defund the police
- Reminder of who provided pushed out infrastructure improvements
I ain’t seen no improvements. Must be in Democratic districts
- Expansion of rural broadband
Again with the handouts
- Worker training to close skills gap between open positions and ill-skilled unemployed under employed labor
Pay for your own training if you want a better job.
- Civil/rural service program in exchange for student debt relief
I paid my loan. Pay yours.
None of the above ideas speak to racial divides or other cultural issues. These are solutions that would benefit people of many different socio-economic backgrounds. But these are all issues that Republicans oppose or are indifferent to.

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That’s the response you will get. And Southern voters don’t care if a tranny’s mom got fired in Texas. They probably support it.
 

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You support socialized medicine



You are pro drugs


More socialized medicine

I’m not raising someone else’s kids

Another tax hike



You mean more welfare

See above

Baby killer

Code for defund the police

I ain’t seen no improvements. Must be in Democratic districts

Again with the handouts

Pay for your own training if you want a better job.

I paid my loan. Pay yours.

That’s the response you will get. And Southern voters don’t care if a tranny’s mom got fired in Texas. They probably support it.

So let’s either admit the Democratic Party is the most doomed party or the laziest. Because all I have heard is how they can’t get past Republican talk radio and gerrymandering. The truth is that the Democratic Party’s arrogance and ideological stubbornness costs them more than anything else. 2016 is a prime example. For years, independents had told everyone that Hillary is unpopular. Independents and moderates begged for Biden and Gore in 2016 when they saw populism run rampant in the country but the DNC pushed the most hated candidate in American history and told everyone to take it. They didn’t care what opinion polling showed, they didn’t care what their own party polling show, all they cared about was breaking the glass ceiling. We all paid for their stupidity.

But no let’s complain about Comey, Russia, and Bernie bros. Let’s continue to only try hard in a few states outside of traditional blue territory. Let’s die on our honor while the country burns because the other side does everything the can to win.

At some point the DNC needs to focus on winning elections instead of talking themselves outside of them. You can’t have such a large and strict national platform and expect to win the country. There has to be ideological diversity and compromise within the party, especially when the opposition is doing it.

The DNC is in more of a decline in power than the GOP. The DNC is basically the equivalent of the Georgia Bulldogs. If there is a stupid way to lose a big game then they will find a way but they will bark about the other side cheating and how they are actually the better team.
 
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The GOP may well control both Houses of Congress after the midterm elections. They might win the presidency in 2024. If the Republicans do those things are they in decline? IMO they are in moral decline but it is not certain they are in political decline.
 

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Well, we are discussing what is the best opportunity for a Democrat to win in a Red State and I believe this is the best approach.

There is no magic message that is going to turn a Red State blue overnight. Progress is likely instead of losing elections 70-30 losing 60-40 then 55-45. The Democrats in the South didnt get in the ditch overnight and they wont get out of it overnight. The Alabama Democrat Party has virtually no leadership, no campaign infrastructure, and no fundraising apparatus. They can't even contest elections. It's a third world imbalance of democracy here.
Any effective plan will have to be generational rather than immediate. And it's hard to accept that there is no quick fix, because of the fear over what the GOP could do if they retake control of the government.

In the case of AL, possibly multiple generations, thanks to what passed for Democratic leadership over the past couple of decades.
 
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One major point the republicans run on (though they generally ignore it once elected) is smaller government / individual liberties. "Leave me alone and let me live my life" sells, and the dems run / are characterized by "the government can fix all your problems."

That's a huge fundamental difference in how the two parties campaign.
 
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At heart, the key difference is that Democrats (for the most part) want to do things, while the GOP basically wants to say "no" to things--that makes the GOP position as presented to the masses intrinsically easier to squeeze down into sound bites.

When Bob Riley tried to overhaul the state's tax system, he had a pretty good plan--but it had a lot of components, and people didn't want to listen to how they all worked. All the GOP had to do to defeat the referendum was scream "He wants to raise your taxes". RIP tax reform.

Perhaps the dems could do something along the lines of "Say No to Hate", "Say No to Poverty", etc.
 

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Because where im from the Democrats continue to insanely campaign on the divisive issues of abortion, gun control, immigration, racial equity, and climate change which is an elitist approach.

You simply will not win in the south as a Democrat trying to change the hearts and minds on those issues even though they are worthy and critical issues. You cant change the narrative from a loser's platform...
Just curious, but is this what the democrats are saying about themselves or what the republicans are saying about them? Honest question.
 

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Good question, mostly Republicans because the Democrats are not vocal almost in hiding. There are folks out there who want 2 competitive parties. I heat quite often, "I wish the Democrats would come back to the center on issues. They are out to lunch and I just can't consider them."

Granted he was running against a creepy candidate, but I believe Doug Jones found the right tone on the issues. Moore would be widely accepted in the Republican Party today. But Jones didn't allow himself to be defined by abortion and his background didn't send a soft on crime signal. Yes he didn't beat Tuberville but he was the superior candidate.
 

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Good question, mostly Republicans because the Democrats are not vocal almost in hiding. There are folks out there who want 2 competitive parties. I heat quite often, "I wish the Democrats would come back to the center on issues. They are out to lunch and I just can't consider them."

Granted he was running against a creepy candidate, but I believe Doug Jones found the right tone on the issues. Moore would be widely accepted in the Republican Party today. But Jones didn't allow himself to be defined by abortion and his background didn't send a soft on crime signal. Yes he didn't beat Tuberville but he was the superior candidate.
So basically people are allowing republicans to define democrats for them instead doing diligent work to educate themselves into informed voters, at least in republicans enclaves.
 
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All the Democrats need to do to win Southern states is to nominate someone less crazy than the Republicans.
Sounds easy, but most of us Southerners don't vote with our brain.
When you have had a .22 rifle under your bed since childhood, any mention of Gun Control pushes their button.
Racial Issues push buttons on folks who don't know anyone who is Black, Never went to school with anyone Black, or never worked with anyone who is black. Exhibit A... Backwoods Second Cousin Narvez (RIP)grew up in the woods near Carrolton, Ga. Biggity father, no education. Hated anything he didn't know.
Narvez was the bright and shinning star in their family.
Narvez worked at the Carrolton Casket Company. Maintenance Man.
It's not hard to understand how Narvez's kids grew up with his belief system.
Strange as is seems there are rich kids with a good education, who had similar raisings.
It's gonna take a bunch more generations before some of these folks change. I don't see it in our lifetime.
 
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Besides that, I hear empty platitudes about a how dems need to do this or that, but then no specifically winning message is ever presented even when asked directly. After a while you wonder what is the point if those claiming messaging is the problem don’t know or can’t explain what message change would work.
I am not sure I agree they are empty. To think that there is going to be a person on this board who comes up with the silver bullet of messaging when the democrats have access to many political and marketing firms seems a bit reductive. This same tactic works for wondering just exactly how we should tell republicans we come across that they are evil and supporting a moron to make them finally see the light.
 

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My wife told me about something a co-worker said to her yesterday which kind of illustrates how blind GOP voters are in this state. The lady said she is struggling financially because the "government" stop sending out the child tax credit payments.

I told my wife (sarcastically, because my wife will not confront this lady, my wife hates politics) to ask her today if she votes GOP because they were the ones who stopped those payments. Democrats wanted to pass a bill to continue them but, the GOP filibustered.

People continue to vote against their own self interest because they'd rather vote for the letter "R".

You know what would be a fun experiment. What if we could replace the names and parties on a ballot with brief statements of what one supports/opposes. I bet the % would shift drastically in this state because, what most people need in Alabama is not supported by the GOP.
 
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