Kamala Harris - Democratic candidate for POTUS - discussion thread

[92tide]

You make a valid point, but for him to win you had to get way more than Republican primary voters to vote for him. Many people had to say I'm voting for that guy because the rest of these people have done nothing for me so let's give it to the orange crazy dude. Trump is the evidence that our leadership class has let down or are perceived to have let down a huge swath of the population.

i could partially buy that excuse in 2016, but not after

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Trump's not a symptom. He's the coroner for all of American politics. He's the one that discovered the dead body of American politics and called the time of death. The fact that Trump could get elected and may get elected again, it's a toss up right now anyway, is a giant middle finger to the political elite/establishment. The fact he's made inroads with black males, we'll see how much that holds on election day, is telling. The country as a whole has lost confidence in the leadership of the country. Even those voting against Trump on the whole don't think the Dems are great. They are just voting against the other guy.

I was listening to Jimmy Dore the other day and he was talking about how disillusioned the American voter has become. He said something I found rather pithy: "I don't hate Trump; I hate a system that gives us Trump." He has a point, too. People are sick of status quo politics and the fact that every four years all we get is a choice between two carefully selected establishment goons is exactly how you get a Trump.

The Republicans have been helpless to slow down that Trump Train and I think they are thinking if they can just get through this election, Trump goes away and everything will go back to "normal." They are in for a real disappointment, IMO. A lot of people are coming to terms with the fact that establishment Republicans are just Democrats who drive the speed limit and for them, this is unacceptable. These people are not going away.

 

[N.al-tider]

You keep making excuses for this despicable human when there is absolutely no evidence other than Trump’s word. The guy sleeps with a porn star while his wife is home with baby Barron and you excuse him.

The only reasons I can think of for why someone might vote for Trump are you are anti-abortion or a bigot. There may be others, but none would describe me.

Would you rather your POTUS sleep with a porn star or shower with his teenage daughter? No brainer for me, give me the guy sleeping with the porn star.

But, since there hasn't been any accusations of Kamala showering with a teen, I would still rather vote for Trump than someone who was allegedly an escort for political figure-heads and supposedly slept her way into politics.

I'm sure there are other valid reasons why one would vote for Trump but as for me, yes, I am opposed to murdering the most innocent among us so I'll go with Trump this year.

 

[92tide]

i see we are doubling down on the weirdness

 

[92tide]

 

[92tide]

 

[NationalTitles18]

Would you rather your POTUS sleep with a porn star or shower with his teenage daughter? No brainer for me, give me the guy sleeping with the porn star.

But, since there hasn't been any accusations of Kamala showering with a teen, I would still rather vote for Trump than someone who was allegedly an escort for political figure-heads and supposedly slept her way into politics.

I'm sure there are other valid reasons why one would vote for Trump but as for me, yes, I am opposed to murdering the most innocent among us so I'll go with Trump this year.

You have quite the imagination. There has been no legitimate claim of Biden showering with his teenage daughter.

ETA: Also no evidence Harris slept her way up the ladder.

And no one is murdering the innocent.

 

[AWRTR]

i could partially buy that excuse in 2016, but not after

Fair enough. I live in a rural area and know a lot of Trumpers. They are often people I've been friends with since way before 2016 and I don't care who people vote for in an election I'm not cutting people out of my life. Here is how I think many of them feel because I've heard them say it out loud.

1. Some think the election was stolen. My anecdotal experience is that isn't a large percentage, but that's just my experience. I have told them I don't think it was. Biden just won.

2. For some they just feel he identifies with them. It's wild that a billionaire can have the type of rapport he has with working-class people but he does. They see him as their spokesman. It's a real connection if we can perfectly explain it or not.

3. For 2024 in particular some look back to pre covid times and remember the economy and world events. There was low inflation, low unemployment, low interest rates, housing prices were rising but nothing compared to now, and wages were rising faster than inflation for pretty much every demographic both socioeconomic and racial/ethnic group. The world seemed calmer. There weren't major wars everywhere. The border wasn't a complete wreck.

4. Whether correct or not they see him as a candidate and not an existential threat to democracy. They think if he wins he serves out his term and goes home feeling like he slayed the dragon. Honestly, I think the same on this one. If he wins I will go to work the next day and the same if Harris wins. I also think we will have another presidential election in 2028 and Trump won't be in the WH after that. If I'm wrong I guess I'll have to eat my words, but I imagine this board will be least of our worries.

 

[Go Bama]

Would you rather your POTUS sleep with a porn star or shower with his teenage daughter? No brainer for me, give me the guy sleeping with the porn star.

But, since there hasn't been any accusations of Kamala showering with a teen, I would still rather vote for Trump than someone who was allegedly an escort for political figure-heads and supposedly slept her way into politics.

I'm sure there are other valid reasons why one would vote for Trump but as for me, yes, I am opposed to murdering the most innocent among us so I'll go with Trump this year.

Well, at least we now know why you’re voting for him.

 

[HSV_1969]

The only reasons I can think of for why someone might vote for Trump are you are anti-abortion or a bigot. There may be others, but none would describe me.

Think broader. A vote for the Democrats is a vote supporting the further liberalization and expansion of the federal government. I think the Democrats want to get their hands on any power of the government to control our lives.

The candidate this cycle happens to be Kamala Harris, who has been "reborn" as a candidate and the media is pushing her as the ideal candidate now. Her recent positions of pro-fracking, not pushing the Green new deal agenda, not banning private insurance, now "tough on crime", pro-police, concern for immigration, etc. all go against positions she has openly expressed in recent years, yet none of the main stream media want to point that out. They are too busy falling in love with her, or getting goose bumps listening to her campaign rallies.

I can't support a Democrat for many reasons. For me, the Republicans, while not perfect, are far less imperfect than the Democrats. So because I love this country, I won't vote for a Dem candidate.

So some reasons off the top of my head that Republican > Democrat:
Dems will likely raise taxes more than Reps
Economy under Rep control will be better
Less restrictions on life under Reps (i.e. No Green New Deal type regulation, EV mandates, etc.)
Better handling of immigration crisis
Maintain private options for health insurance
Support for Constitutional Rule
Know who the true ally between Israel and Hamas is
Don't push Woke-ism
Energy policies are better

The paradox is that many of the resident anti-Trump and or Democrats on this board try and claim some of the items in my list to their side. But that's how I see it.

 

[jthomas666]

But, since there hasn't been any accusations of Kamala showering with a teen, I would still rather vote for Trump than someone who was allegedly an escort for political figure-heads and supposedly slept her way into politics.

So you'll vote for the convicted felon and adjudicated sex offender because you've heard "bad things" about Harris. Got it.

 

[Bazza]

 

[CrimsonJazz]

You have quite the imagination. There has been no legitimate claim of Biden showering with his teenage daughter.

Did Ashley Biden Call Childhood Showers with Her Father 'Probably Inappropriate' in Leaked Diary?

"I will forever have to deal with the fact that my personal journal can be viewed online," Ashley Biden wrote to a district court judge.

www.snopes.com

Claim: A diary authored by U.S. President Joe Biden's daughter, Ashley Biden, describes showers taken with her father when she was a child as "probably not appropriate."

Rating: True

ETA: Also no evidence Harris slept her way up the ladder.

Did Kamala Harris Have an Extramarital Affair with Willie Brown That Boosted Her Career?

Political opponents accuse the relationship of helping to boost her career, but Harris long ago distanced herself from it.

www.snopes.com

Claim: Vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris had an extramarital affair with former San Francisco Mayor and State Assembly Speaker Willie Brown, who gave her two political appointments that launched her political career.

What's True: Harris did date former San Francisco Mayor and State Assembly Speaker Willie Brown for a period of time between 1994 to 1995. In his capacity as speaker, Brown appointed her to two political posts — first to the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board, and then to the Medical Assistance Commission.

 

[Go Bama]

Think broader. A vote for the Democrats is a vote supporting the further liberalization and expansion of the federal government. I think the Democrats want to get their hands on any power of the government to control our lives.

The candidate this cycle happens to be Kamala Harris, who has been "reborn" as a candidate and the media is pushing her as the ideal candidate now. Her recent positions of pro-fracking, not pushing the Green new deal agenda, not banning private insurance, now "tough on crime", pro-police, concern for immigration, etc. all go against positions she has openly expressed in recent years, yet none of the main stream media want to point that out. They are too busy falling in love with her, or getting goose bumps listening to her campaign rallies.

I can't support a Democrat for many reasons. For me, the Republicans, while not perfect, are far less imperfect than the Democrats. So because I love this country, I won't vote for a Dem candidate.

So some reasons off the top of my head that Republican > Democrat:
Dems will likely raise taxes more than Reps
Economy under Rep control will be better
Less restrictions on life under Reps (i.e. No Green New Deal type regulation, EV mandates, etc.)
Better handling of immigration crisis
Maintain private options for health insurance
Support for Constitutional Rule
Know who the true ally between Israel and Hamas is
Don't push Woke-ism
Energy policies are better

The paradox is that many of the resident anti-Trump and or Democrats on this board try and claim some of the items in my list to their side. But that's how I see it.

I don’t agree with most of your post, but I do appreciate the response. You at least have arguable points.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Did Ashley Biden Call Childhood Showers with Her Father 'Probably Inappropriate' in Leaked Diary?

"I will forever have to deal with the fact that my personal journal can be viewed online," Ashley Biden wrote to a district court judge.

www.snopes.com

Did Kamala Harris Have an Extramarital Affair with Willie Brown That Boosted Her Career?

Political opponents accuse the relationship of helping to boost her career, but Harris long ago distanced herself from it.

www.snopes.com

I think you missed the claimed age. No age was mentioned, but few would consider a “young child” (what? 2 years old? 4? No one knows) to be a teenager.

 

[UAH]

Think broader. A vote for the Democrats is a vote supporting the further liberalization and expansion of the federal government. I think the Democrats want to get their hands on any power of the government to control our lives.

The candidate this cycle happens to be Kamala Harris, who has been "reborn" as a candidate and the media is pushing her as the ideal candidate now. Her recent positions of pro-fracking, not pushing the Green new deal agenda, not banning private insurance, now "tough on crime", pro-police, concern for immigration, etc. all go against positions she has openly expressed in recent years, yet none of the main stream media want to point that out. They are too busy falling in love with her, or getting goose bumps listening to her campaign rallies.

I can't support a Democrat for many reasons. For me, the Republicans, while not perfect, are far less imperfect than the Democrats. So because I love this country, I won't vote for a Dem candidate.

So some reasons off the top of my head that Republican > Democrat:
Dems will likely raise taxes more than Reps
Economy under Rep control will be better
Less restrictions on life under Reps (i.e. No Green New Deal type regulation, EV mandates, etc.)
Better handling of immigration crisis
Maintain private options for health insurance
Support for Constitutional Rule
Know who the true ally between Israel and Hamas is
Don't push Woke-ism
Energy policies are better

The paradox is that many of the resident anti-Trump and or Democrats on this board try and claim some of the items in my list to their side. But that's how I see it.

Think broader. A vote for the Democrats is a vote supporting the further liberalization and expansion of the federal government. I think the Democrats want to get their hands on any power of the government to control our lives.

The candidate this cycle happens to be Kamala Harris, who has been "reborn" as a candidate and the media is pushing her as the ideal candidate now. Her recent positions of pro-fracking, not pushing the Green new deal agenda, not banning private insurance, now "tough on crime", pro-police, concern for immigration, etc. all go against positions she has openly expressed in recent years, yet none of the main stream media want to point that out. They are too busy falling in love with her, or getting goose bumps listening to her campaign rallies.

I can't support a Democrat for many reasons. For me, the Republicans, while not perfect, are far less imperfect than the Democrats. So because I love this country, I won't vote for a Dem candidate.

So some reasons off the top of my head that Republican > Democrat:
Dems will likely raise taxes more than Reps
Economy under Rep control will be better
Less restrictions on life under Reps (i.e. No Green New Deal type regulation, EV mandates, etc.)
Better handling of immigration crisis
Maintain private options for health insurance
Support for Constitutional Rule
Know who the true ally between Israel and Hamas is
Don't push Woke-ism
Energy policies are better

The paradox is that many of the resident anti-Trump and or Democrats on this board try and claim some of the items in my list to their side. But that's how I see it.

At the very best you are guilty of over statement and over simplification without demonstrating any data to support your statements on the deficits, the economy indeed your entire list. This is offered by a long term Reagan Republican.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I think you missed the claimed age. No age was mentioned, but few would consider a “young child” (what? 2 years old? 4? No one knows) to be a teenager.

My best recollection is that she was 12, but I’m too tired to look it up. In any case, this is splitting hairs, IMO. A grown man taking a shower with his daughter is gross, but I readily admit that this is my opinion. Many people agree; some clearly do not.

 

[NationalTitles18]

My best recollection is that she was 12, but I’m too tired to look it up. In any case, this is splitting hairs, IMO. A grown man taking a shower with his daughter is gross, but I readily admit that this is my opinion. Many people agree; some clearly do not.

I’ve never seen the age of 12 mentioned by any credible source. (Any source, actually)

 

[N.al-tider]

I’ve never seen the age of 12 mentioned by any credible source. (Any source, actually)

Does it really matter if she was 12 or any age if her dad was showering with her? Either way, it is disgusting. If she was underage, then it should be illegal, and probably was.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Does it really matter if she was 12 or any age if her dad was showering with her? Either way, it is disgusting. If she was underage, then it should be illegal, and probably was.

Weird.