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Alabama QBs in 2024, II

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Bamabuzzard said:
This is correct. We've now had two different staffs evaluate the same quarterbacks and end up with the same pecking order. That is why I am interested to see if there is any improvement by JMilroe in the areas that plagued him last season by being in a new offense with a HC who specializes in QB's and offense.
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This is what will solidify JM as QB1 or push him out of the way for one of the other QBs to lead the offense.

JM is the presumptive QB1. He was the starter in all but 1 game last year. According to reports and news stories, he's a vocal leader in the locker room and on the field. And the team views him as a leader. He's obviously a favorite of the media. For him to lose QB1 status he will have to be replaced. This will only happen if he's not getting it done on the field. Until we lose a game due to his mistakes, or until we almost lose a game due to his mistakes - and another QB bails us out - JM will be QB1.

There are a lot of factors that enter into the decision as to who is on top of the depth chart. It's more than who throws the prettiest spiral, or who gets the ball out the quickest, or who is most accurate on the short throws, or who throw the prettiest long ball.

The difference this year is that the HC is the offensive guru. The HC is the guy who is known for developing QBs and designing an offense that maximizes their talent. The HC is the guy who evaluates the talent and decides who will lead the offense each week.

All of our QBs are getting coaching and instruction that far surpasses what they've had the last few years. Who knows what that will produce? It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
 
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CrimsonBloodn62 said:
I think the biggest issue I have with it is that they talked the talk but didn't walk the walk with LANK. If they had backed up the talk with a national championship, then the LANK merchandise would have been a whole lot more successful money-wise.
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This is EXACTLY why LANK is stupid. It’s meaningless if you don’t follow through. Not only that, but it just sounds dumb and annoying.
 
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I don't like LANK either for the reasons stated: basically "they didn't" but anyway...

Getting back to QBs.

I've been watching the Bama/Texas game from last year.

The most glaring difference between Milroe and Ewers was their timing with receivers and Ewers getting the ball out fast and JM being too timid/slow.

Of course, this was a case of Sark playing chess and Reese playing checkers too, but it is just so eye-opening to see how much faster/quicker/in sync Ewers was with his offense compared to JM.

This is a problem that has haunted JM since he took over, but if JM can somehow just become a very good and decisive "first read" QB and if Sheridan can design plays that work like that it'll make a ton of difference. Get the ball out fast and get it into the hands of our fast receivers when they are open and have space to create with their abilities.
 
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Slowpoke Catracho said:
WARNING! - This thread will self-destruct in two weeks!

I think JM is going to be fine and maybe, just maybe the new offense will help him. To tell you the truth I'm more excited and have more questions about the running game.
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Never fear when the gameday complaint thread is near. Then again, I try not to participate in that thread in fear of having to regret saying something and having to eat it later. Lol
 
BamaMoon said:
I don't like LANK either for the reasons stated: basically "they didn't" but anyway...

Getting back to QBs.

I've been watching the Bama/Texas game from last year.

The most glaring difference between Milroe and Ewers was their timing with receivers and Ewers getting the ball out fast and JM being too timid/slow.

Of course, this was a case of Sark playing chess and Reese playing checkers too, but it is just so eye-opening to see how much faster/quicker/in sync Ewers was with his offense compared to JM.

This is a problem that has haunted JM since he took over, but if JM can somehow just become a very good and decisive "first read" QB and if Sheridan can design plays that work like that it'll make a ton of difference. Get the ball out fast and get it into the hands of our fast receivers when they are open and have space to create with their abilities.
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I agree with the assessment that MIlroe was slow to get the ball out last year. That's without question, but that game in particular was the 3rd start of his career. Ewers had a full season of starting under his belt.

The amount of doubt in Milroe's ability to improve from last year to this year, particularly by our fan base, just seem strange. Maybe we have been used to a certain level or style of QB play that we didn't know how to process what we were watching last year, but given how well Milroe played in the second half of the year, I just don't quite understand it.

I went back and looked at the stats of the SEC QBs, including the new additions, who were in their 2nd year or more of starting at that school last year. I recognize that stats don't tell the full story, but they indicate quite a bit. Here are the passing numbers alone:

Quinn Ewers
2022 58.1%, 2,177 yds, 15 TDs, 6 INTs, 132.6 Rtg
2023 69.0%, 3,479 yds, 22 TDs, 6 INTs, 158.6 Rtg

Brady Cook
2022 64.8%, 2,739 yds, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 133.2 Rtg
2023 66.1%, 3,317 yds, 21 TDs, 6 INTs, 157.2 Rtg

Spencer Rattler
2022 66.2%, 3,026 yds, 18 TDs, 12 INTs, 138.7 Rtg
2023 68.9%, 3,186 yds, 19 TDs, 8 INTs, 147.7 Rtg

Jaxson Dart
2022 62.4%, 2,974 yds, 20 TDs, 11 INTs, 143.6 Rtg
2023 65.1%, 3,364 yds, 23 TDs, 5 INTs, 162.4 Rtg

Jayden Daniels
2022 68.6%, 2,913 yds, 17 TDs, 3 INTs, 144.5 Rtg
2023 72.2%, 3,812 yds, 40 TDs, 4 INTs, 208.0 Rtg

K.J. Jefferson
2021 67.3%, 2,676 yds, 21 TDs, 4 INTs, 164.7
2022 68.0%, 2,636 yds, 24TDs, 5 INTs, 164.9 Rtg
2023 64.2%, 2,107 yds, 19 TDs, 8 INTs, 139.8 Rtg

Only K.J. Jefferson had a worse statistical year than the prior year, which was not surprising, but I was surprised that he had a very slightly better statistical year in 2022 than 2021 given what they lost after the 2021 season offensively. Everyone else had a much better year statistically. More importantly, most of the teams got better, at least offensively, with the exception of Arkansas and South Carolina, and we are not them.

Again, stats aren't the end all, but the reality is that Milroe is going to be better than last year. If he makes the kind of improvement that these quarterbacks, who he is on par with or perhaps even better, save Daniels, then he will be a Heisman finalist.

All that said, I don't really care whether or not MIlroe gets a Heisman or is All-SEC or whatever. I just care about us winning the SEC, making the playoff with a bye, and hopefully winning a national title. If our QB improves from 2023 to 2024 then it puts us in a much better position to do that, and I feel pretty confident he will do that.
 
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Power Eye said:
I agree with the assessment that MIlroe was slow to get the ball out last year. That's without question, but that game in particular was the 3rd start of his career. Ewers had a full season of starting under his belt.

The amount of doubt in Milroe's ability to improve from last year to this year, particularly by our fan base, just seem strange. Maybe we have been used to a certain level or style of QB play that we didn't know how to process what we were watching last year, but given how well Milroe played in the second half of the year, I just don't quite understand it.

I went back and looked at the stats of the SEC QBs, including the new additions, who were in their 2nd year or more of starting at that school last year. I recognize that stats don't tell the full story, but they indicate quite a bit. Here are the passing numbers alone:

Quinn Ewers
2022 58.1%, 2,177 yds, 15 TDs, 6 INTs, 132.6 Rtg
2023 69.0%, 3,479 yds, 22 TDs, 6 INTs, 158.6 Rtg

Brady Cook
2022 64.8%, 2,739 yds, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 133.2 Rtg
2023 66.1%, 3,317 yds, 21 TDs, 6 INTs, 157.2 Rtg

Spencer Rattler
2022 66.2%, 3,026 yds, 18 TDs, 12 INTs, 138.7 Rtg
2023 68.9%, 3,186 yds, 19 TDs, 8 INTs, 147.7 Rtg

Jaxson Dart
2022 62.4%, 2,974 yds, 20 TDs, 11 INTs, 143.6 Rtg
2023 65.1%, 3,364 yds, 23 TDs, 5 INTs, 162.4 Rtg

Jayden Daniels
2022 68.6%, 2,913 yds, 17 TDs, 3 INTs, 144.5 Rtg
2023 72.2%, 3,812 yds, 40 TDs, 4 INTs, 208.0 Rtg

K.J. Jefferson
2021 67.3%, 2,676 yds, 21 TDs, 4 INTs, 164.7
2022 68.0%, 2,636 yds, 24TDs, 5 INTs, 164.9 Rtg
2023 64.2%, 2,107 yds, 19 TDs, 8 INTs, 139.8 Rtg

Only K.J. Jefferson had a worse statistical year than the prior year, which was not surprising, but I was surprised that he had a very slightly better statistical year in 2022 than 2021 given what they lost after the 2021 season offensively. Everyone else had a much better year statistically. More importantly, most of the teams got better, at least offensively, with the exception of Arkansas and South Carolina, and we are not them.

Again, stats aren't the end all, but the reality is that Milroe is going to be better than last year. If he makes the kind of improvement that these quarterbacks, who he is on par with or perhaps even better, save Daniels, then he will be a Heisman finalist.

All that said, I don't really care whether or not MIlroe gets a Heisman or is All-SEC or whatever. I just care about us winning the SEC, making the playoff with a bye, and hopefully winning a national title. If our QB improves from 2023 to 2024 then it puts us in a much better position to do that, and I feel pretty confident he will do that.
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Agree. I believe he'll be much better. And hopefully, the sacks will at least be cut in half.
 
Power Eye said:
I agree with the assessment that MIlroe was slow to get the ball out last year. That's without question, but that game in particular was the 3rd start of his career. Ewers had a full season of starting under his belt.

The amount of doubt in Milroe's ability to improve from last year to this year, particularly by our fan base, just seem strange. Maybe we have been used to a certain level or style of QB play that we didn't know how to process what we were watching last year, but given how well Milroe played in the second half of the year, I just don't quite understand it.

I went back and looked at the stats of the SEC QBs, including the new additions, who were in their 2nd year or more of starting at that school last year. I recognize that stats don't tell the full story, but they indicate quite a bit. Here are the passing numbers alone:

Quinn Ewers
2022 58.1%, 2,177 yds, 15 TDs, 6 INTs, 132.6 Rtg
2023 69.0%, 3,479 yds, 22 TDs, 6 INTs, 158.6 Rtg

Brady Cook
2022 64.8%, 2,739 yds, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 133.2 Rtg
2023 66.1%, 3,317 yds, 21 TDs, 6 INTs, 157.2 Rtg

Spencer Rattler
2022 66.2%, 3,026 yds, 18 TDs, 12 INTs, 138.7 Rtg
2023 68.9%, 3,186 yds, 19 TDs, 8 INTs, 147.7 Rtg

Jaxson Dart
2022 62.4%, 2,974 yds, 20 TDs, 11 INTs, 143.6 Rtg
2023 65.1%, 3,364 yds, 23 TDs, 5 INTs, 162.4 Rtg

Jayden Daniels
2022 68.6%, 2,913 yds, 17 TDs, 3 INTs, 144.5 Rtg
2023 72.2%, 3,812 yds, 40 TDs, 4 INTs, 208.0 Rtg

K.J. Jefferson
2021 67.3%, 2,676 yds, 21 TDs, 4 INTs, 164.7
2022 68.0%, 2,636 yds, 24TDs, 5 INTs, 164.9 Rtg
2023 64.2%, 2,107 yds, 19 TDs, 8 INTs, 139.8 Rtg

Only K.J. Jefferson had a worse statistical year than the prior year, which was not surprising, but I was surprised that he had a very slightly better statistical year in 2022 than 2021 given what they lost after the 2021 season offensively. Everyone else had a much better year statistically. More importantly, most of the teams got better, at least offensively, with the exception of Arkansas and South Carolina, and we are not them.

Again, stats aren't the end all, but the reality is that Milroe is going to be better than last year. If he makes the kind of improvement that these quarterbacks, who he is on par with or perhaps even better, save Daniels, then he will be a Heisman finalist.

All that said, I don't really care whether or not MIlroe gets a Heisman or is All-SEC or whatever. I just care about us winning the SEC, making the playoff with a bye, and hopefully winning a national title. If our QB improves from 2023 to 2024 then it puts us in a much better position to do that, and I feel pretty confident he will do that.
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Milroe’s decision making and slow timing did not improve as the year went on though. Whether he has improved in this offseason is another question.
 
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colbysullivan said:
Milroe’s decision making and slow timing did not improve as the year went on though. Whether he has improved in this offseason is another question.
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I saw improvements. He wasn't perfect, but there were improvements. One thing I noticed, he was throwing out of bounds more, instead of holding on and getting sacked. But you keep on like there will be no improvements over last year. Right now some sports media have Jalen ranked the 3rd best quarterback in the nation for 2024. And that's what I'm rolling with, regardless of what some here on TideFans say.
 
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I saw improvements. He wasn't perfect, but there were improvements. One thing I noticed, he was throwing out of bounds more, instead of holding on and getting sacked. But you keep on like there will be no improvements over last year. Right now some sports media have Jalen ranked the 3rd best quarterback in the nation for 2024. And that's what I'm rolling with, regardless of what some here on TideFans say.
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Obviously the media loves him, his Lank teamates love him. Even the coaches seem smitten by him. I am just not getting on that bus and am content with it leaving without me.
 
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I saw improvements. He wasn't perfect, but there were improvements. One thing I noticed, he was throwing out of bounds more, instead of holding on and getting sacked. But you keep on like there will be no improvements over last year. Right now some sports media have Jalen ranked the 3rd best quarterback in the nation for 2024. And that's what I'm rolling with, regardless of what some here on TideFans say.
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I've recently re-watched our games v Aubrun, UGA and UM. Based on those performances JM really didn't progress much, if any, over the course of the year in a lot of key skills. On an objective basis, he generated more negative plays than positive ones - it's bust or boom - and there was a lot of bust. He was not hitting the open first reads, which were even more open since D Coordinators had backed DBs off some knowing JM likely wouldn't make those passes. He was still very often 'clutching' the second read where he'd see it, pump like he was going to throw, but then realize he was too late for that one also and not throw it. JM held the ball way, way to long; well past the read sequences on lots of plays. He got the PR for the big throw to beat aubrun and the last two drives against UGA to bring that game home and that's why he's got the media hype from sportswriters - plus they write to get clicks. The real talent evaluators who've watched the detailed film have started to drop their projections and many think he's likely to be a bust.

Can he improve over last year? I hope so, I really do. It's just that after last year and the media and others talking about how much better he was doing and how much he was growing, and I was seeing for myself the evidence to the contrary, I'm just going to have to wait to see it against a decent opponent before I'm going to believe it. The unOfficial Assistant coaches (can't link - they don't use nice words) were all over it in their sessions about how poor the performances were. He's a very charismatic young man who occasionally makes an incredible highlight worthy play so that's why he gets the media talk he gets. It's very easy to like him and love the story behind him so they really, really do want him to be getting better and progressing. I get it. I just have to see it actually happen on a consistent basis before I'm going to believe it's possible.
 
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I've recently re-watched our games v Aubrun, UGA and UM. Based on those performances JM really didn't progress much, if any, over the course of the year in a lot of key skills. On an objective basis, he generated more negative plays than positive ones - it's bust or boom - and there was a lot of bust. He was not hitting the open first reads, which were even more open since D Coordinators had backed DBs off some knowing JM likely wouldn't make those passes. He was still very often 'clutching' the second read where he'd see it, pump like he was going to throw, but then realize he was too late for that one also and not throw it. JM held the ball way, way to long; well past the read sequences on lots of plays. He got the PR for the big throw to beat aubrun and the last two drives against UGA to bring that game home and that's why he's got the media hype from sportswriters - plus they write to get clicks. The real talent evaluators who've watched the detailed film have started to drop their projections and many think he's likely to be a bust.

Can he improve over last year? I hope so, I really do. It's just that after last year and the media and others talking about how much better he was doing and how much he was growing, and I was seeing for myself the evidence to the contrary, I'm just going to have to wait to see it against a decent opponent before I'm going to believe it. The unOfficial Assistant coaches (can't link - they don't use nice words) were all over it in their sessions about how poor the performances were. He's a very charismatic young man who occasionally makes an incredible highlight worthy play so that's why he gets the media talk he gets. It's very easy to like him and love the story behind him so they really, really do want him to be getting better and progressing. I get it. I just have to see it actually happen on a consistent basis before I'm going to believe it's possible.
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How many QBs show marked improvement in key areas during the season?

I have no idea, but my guess is that more often than not they don’t simply because it’s hard to work on fundamentals when you’re devoting nearly every moment to game prep each week.

Seems like significant improvement would have to come in the offseason…the old “The time to fix your roof is when the sun is shining, not when it’s pouring down rain” deal.
 
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