Most of us won't hijack a plane, but we all can agree that, although inconvenient, going through security is common sense after what happened on 09/11. People in this country act like you shot their dog if you provide any sort of hurdle for gun ownership. I know what comes next, "Criminals won't follow the rules". Yes, I know that, but the ones doing these mass shootings don't typically have criminal records. Maybe if their parents, or family members had to go through a new PITA process of getting and owning a gun maybe they wouldn't have owned a gun in the first place.
Mass/Active Shooters, Part **FIVE**
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I just want to hear ideas of what people think should be done, even if it means changing the meaning of 2A. I may not agree with it but I want to hear it. If someone thinks 2A should be changed, how do they think it should be changed, to what degree, what would it look like if implemented, etc.?
here's an idea 10,000% tax on ammo, you want to shoot someone it will cost you a small fortune to do it
don't have to change the precious 2a
own all the guns you want the bullets are going to take a mortgage
So at the root of your suggestion, you're saying you don't believe any citizen should own a gun?
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The case for mandatory gun-liability insurance
You have to buy insurance to drive a car. Why not if you own a gun?
One possibility  long advocated by some economists  is to require gun owners to purchase liability insurance. This would create a several-hundred-billion-dollar incentive for insurers to find ways to reduce gun violence. Relative to other regulations, this requirement might even appeal to some gun rights advocates. The National Rifle Association wouldn’t support it, of course, but it might win support from conservatives looking for a market-based approach that wouldn’t have much impact on responsible gun owners.
Gun insurance would accomplish two goals: First, it would raise the cost of gun ownership for people whose firearms are deemed relatively more likely to be used in crimes (by themselves or others), based on an assessment of risk factors made by insurance companies. That would make those people less likely to obtain guns in the first place. Second, it would provide a strong financial incentive for gun owners to keep these weapons out of the hands of people who might commit crimes with them. Granted, mass shooters won’t be concerned about their future premiums  but many owners would take steps to ensure their weapons are well secured. And a 21-year-old with a history of violent behavior might find it much harder to obtain a gun if insurers insist that they pay premiums equal to several times the purchase price of a weapon. (Insurance would be a condition of ownership.)
The case for mandatory gun-liability insurance
You have to buy insurance to drive a car. Why not if you own a gun?
One possibility  long advocated by some economists  is to require gun owners to purchase liability insurance. This would create a several-hundred-billion-dollar incentive for insurers to find ways to reduce gun violence. Relative to other regulations, this requirement might even appeal to some gun rights advocates. The National Rifle Association wouldn’t support it, of course, but it might win support from conservatives looking for a market-based approach that wouldn’t have much impact on responsible gun owners.
Gun insurance would accomplish two goals: First, it would raise the cost of gun ownership for people whose firearms are deemed relatively more likely to be used in crimes (by themselves or others), based on an assessment of risk factors made by insurance companies. That would make those people less likely to obtain guns in the first place. Second, it would provide a strong financial incentive for gun owners to keep these weapons out of the hands of people who might commit crimes with them. Granted, mass shooters won’t be concerned about their future premiums  but many owners would take steps to ensure their weapons are well secured. And a 21-year-old with a history of violent behavior might find it much harder to obtain a gun if insurers insist that they pay premiums equal to several times the purchase price of a weapon. (Insurance would be a condition of ownership.)
Make gun owners have insurance the same way car owners are required to have.
The gun lobby has been uncompromising and perhaps it’s time to be equally draconian with them in negotiations.
The gun lobby has been uncompromising and perhaps it’s time to be equally draconian with them in negotiations.
It needs to go away! I get tired of hearing how difficult this would be. Of course its difficult if you never try. Come up with a reasonable replacement and you may be surprised. One thing for sure, it will never happen if we throw up our hands because it will be difficult and dont try. Much of the constitution was a response to Imperial England, especially the 2nd and 3rd. Well, Imperial England is gone so its high time we recognize that and move on to the 21st century.
You could waive the bullet tax on the first 50 rounds per firearm to allow for self/defense and sport.
We were talking about the good old days in a different thread and I brought up Mayberry.
Imagine an episode where someone comes to town with an open carry piece on their hip. The town would have come unglued. ðŸ˜Å
Imagine an episode where someone comes to town with an open carry piece on their hip. The town would have come unglued. ðŸ˜Å
it'd all be the fault of woke global socialist andy for making barney carry his bullet in his shirt pocket
They probably would have issued Barney a second bullet!
Father of Georgia school shooting suspect told investigators he purchased gun as holiday present for son, sources say
The father of the mass shooting suspect accused of killing four people at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, told investigators this week he had purchased the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son in December 2023, according to two law enforcement sources with direct knowledge of the investigation.
Colt Gray, a 14-year-old student, is accused of killing two students and two teachers with an AR-style rifle in the Wednesday shooting. Nine more people were hospitalized.
One source told CNN the AR-15-style rifle was purchased at a local gun store as a Christmas present.
The timeline the teen’s father, Colin Gray, provided to authorities would put the gun purchase months after authorities first contacted Gray and his family to investigate school shooting threats made online.
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Father of Ga. school shooting suspect charged with involuntary manslaughter, second degree murder
The father of the 14-year-old student accused of opening fire at Apalachee High School in Winder, Ga., has been arrested in relation to Wednesday’s shooting, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Colin Gray, 54, was charged Thursday with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children, state authorities said. The news came the same day that the suspect was charged with four felony counts of murder.
The shooting left four people dead and injured nine others who are expected to survive, Barrow County officials said. Investigators are looking into the possible motives of the suspect, who was booked into a youth detention center in Gainesville overnight and is expected to make a virtual court appearance Friday morning, authorities said.
Investigators are seeking to determine how the shooter obtained the semi-automatic AR-15 style rifle they say he used. They will also assess any connection to an earlier incident in which the FBI interviewed the suspect, Colt Gray, and his father, while investigating anonymous reports of online threats to commit a school shooting.
Father of Ga. school shooting suspect charged with involuntary manslaughter, second degree murder
The father of the 14-year-old student accused of opening fire at Apalachee High School in Winder, Ga., has been arrested in relation to Wednesday’s shooting, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Colin Gray, 54, was charged Thursday with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children, state authorities said. The news came the same day that the suspect was charged with four felony counts of murder.
The shooting left four people dead and injured nine others who are expected to survive, Barrow County officials said. Investigators are looking into the possible motives of the suspect, who was booked into a youth detention center in Gainesville overnight and is expected to make a virtual court appearance Friday morning, authorities said.
Investigators are seeking to determine how the shooter obtained the semi-automatic AR-15 style rifle they say he used. They will also assess any connection to an earlier incident in which the FBI interviewed the suspect, Colt Gray, and his father, while investigating anonymous reports of online threats to commit a school shooting.
Father of Apalachee High School shooting suspect arrested, GBI says
Colin Gray, father of Colt Gray, is facing several charges, including second-degree murder for allowing son to "possess a weapon."
was wondering if this was coming. Reports yesterday seem to say that the FBI had this kid on their radar and that them or other Cops had spoken to the family in the past.Father of Apalachee High School shooting suspect arrested, GBI says
Colin Gray, father of Colt Gray, is facing several charges, including second-degree murder for allowing son to "possess a weapon."www.ajc.com
JD Vance says he laments that school shootings are a 'fact of life' and calls for better security
Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance says school shootings are a “fact of life" and the U.S. needs to harden security to prevent more carnage.
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JD Vance says school shootings are a ‘fact of life,’ calls for better security
The Ohio senator was asked by a journalist what can be done to stop school shootings. He said further restricting access to guns, as many Democrats advocate, won’t end them, noting they happen in states with both lax and strict gun laws. He touted efforts in Congress to give schools more money for security.
“I don’t like that this is a fact of life,†Vance said. “But if you are a psycho and you want to make headlines, you realize that our schools are soft targets. And we have got to bolster security at our schools. We’ve got to bolster security so if a psycho wants to walk through the front door and kill a bunch of children they’re not able.â€Â
He called the shooting in Georgia an “awful tragedy,†and said the families in Winder, Georgia, need prayers and sympathy.
JD Vance says he laments that school shootings are a 'fact of life' and calls for better security
Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance says school shootings are a “fact of life" and the U.S. needs to harden security to prevent more carnage.
JD Vance says school shootings are a ‘fact of life,’ calls for better security
The Ohio senator was asked by a journalist what can be done to stop school shootings. He said further restricting access to guns, as many Democrats advocate, won’t end them, noting they happen in states with both lax and strict gun laws. He touted efforts in Congress to give schools more money for security.
“I don’t like that this is a fact of life,†Vance said. “But if you are a psycho and you want to make headlines, you realize that our schools are soft targets. And we have got to bolster security at our schools. We’ve got to bolster security so if a psycho wants to walk through the front door and kill a bunch of children they’re not able.â€Â
He called the shooting in Georgia an “awful tragedy,†and said the families in Winder, Georgia, need prayers and sympathy.
of course "soft targets" just can't even hold his political propaganda BS in the wake yet another tragedy
in case any of you are wondering, there is a right wing claim that 'gun free zones' create soft targets for shooters. So some statisticians decided to look into it and the early results are, well, let's just say Vance should read more and talk less.
Study suggests gun-free zones do not attract mass shootings
Gun-free zones have often been blamed for making schools, malls and other public areas more attractive to shooters; however, there have been no quantitative studies examining those claims. Now, in a first of its kind study published in The Lancet Regional Health - Americas, researchers at UC...
Unfortunately, if the right to own a car was in the Constitution, we wouldn't have buy insurance for them either because the Republicans wouldnt allow it...
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