Milroe's accuracy

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Making sure I get this right. Throw out quantifiable statistics and W-L results and it comes down to style?

Kinda proves my point doesn't it?

In fact, if Jalen has inherent drawbacks and struggles to do what he does, doesn't that make it even more impressive that he's able to produce very similar results to the sainted Bryce, who everything always seemed easy for?
No
 

colbysullivan

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Making sure I get this right. Throw out quantifiable statistics and W-L results and it comes down to style?

Kinda proves my point doesn't it?

In fact, if Jalen has inherent drawbacks and struggles to do what he does, doesn't that make it even more impressive that he's able to produce very similar results to the sainted Bryce, who everything always seemed easy for?
Very…similar…results?
 

81usaf92

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Making sure I get this right. Throw out quantifiable statistics and W-L results and it comes down to style?

Kinda proves my point doesn't it?

In fact, if Jalen has inherent drawbacks and struggles to do what he does, doesn't that make it even more impressive that he's able to produce very similar results to the sainted Bryce, who everything always seemed easy for?
Okay… ask yourself honestly “how many games do we lose in 2021 and 2022 without Bryce” and then ask yourself “how many games did we win because of Milroe”. Aside from the 2023 LSU game and potentially the 1st half vs Georgia this year i can’t think of a single other instance in which Milroe was the definitive reason we were winning a game. Often he is the reason we ARE NOT blowing good teams out.

Then look at Bryce… we had some truly crappy defenses in 21 and 22, and needed to score in the 40’s to have a chance to win. Bryce delivered far more times than he didn’t in that regard. Of his 4 losses we were only held under 30… once. He was an overwhelming heisman winner for a reason. He was by far the one reason we weren’t being blown out of games and always had a chance on the last drive of the game. To pretend Milroe and Bryce were equals is just not accurate at all.

Jalen Milroe’s stats are not even in same zip code as Bryce. 47 TDs to 7 Ints is something Milroe is never going to come close to. That is quarterbacking over being a running back that can throw.

If you want a REAL comparison for Milroe then Bryce isn’t the one that favors Milroe in any way than just surface level casual fan arguments. It’s like saying Ben Roethlisberger is better than Tom Brady because he has a higher win percentage against the Ravens in the playoffs. Just because a quarterback starts and wins a game vs Team A and another starts and loses to them doesn’t tell you anything. If we are going that route then Bryce is clearly better because he beat Texas on the road while Milroe choked at home. See how that works?

Like I’ve said multiple times, Milroe is more comparable to Blake Sims in terms of production , play style, and background than any other quarterback in the Saban era. Heck their stats now are insanely comparable. The biggest two differences between the two are that Blake played his game more instead of trying to prove to NFL scouts that he was something that he isn’t and secondly Blake was way more silent than Milroe. Both are/were highly talented quarterbacks with high potentials but both had glaring weaknesses.
 

Superdad

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Okay… ask yourself honestly “how many games do we lose in 2021 and 2022 without Bryce” and then ask yourself “how many games did we win because of Milroe”. Aside from the 2023 LSU game and potentially the 1st half vs Georgia this year i can’t think of a single other instance in which Milroe was the definitive reason we were winning a game. Often he is the reason we ARE NOT blowing good teams out.

Then look at Bryce… we had some truly crappy defenses in 21 and 22, and needed to score in the 40’s to have a chance to win. Bryce delivered far more times than he didn’t in that regard. Of his 4 losses we were only held under 30… once. He was an overwhelming heisman winner for a reason. He was by far the one reason we weren’t being blown out of games and always had a chance on the last drive of the game. To pretend Milroe and Bryce were equals is just not accurate at all.

Jalen Milroe’s stats are not even in same zip code as Bryce. 47 TDs to 7 Ints is something Milroe is never going to come close to. That is quarterbacking over being a running back that can throw.

If you want a REAL comparison for Milroe then Bryce isn’t the one that favors Milroe in any way than just surface level casual fan arguments. It’s like saying Ben Roethlisberger is better than Tom Brady because he has a higher win percentage against the Ravens in the playoffs. Just because a quarterback starts and wins a game vs Team A and another starts and loses to them doesn’t tell you anything. If we are going that route then Bryce is clearly better because he beat Texas on the road while Milroe choked at home. See how that works?

Like I’ve said multiple times, Milroe is more comparable to Blake Sims in terms of production , play style, and background than any other quarterback in the Saban era. Heck their stats now are insanely comparable. The biggest two differences between the two are that Blake played his game more instead of trying to prove to NFL scouts that he was something that he isn’t and secondly Blake was way more silent than Milroe. Both are/were highly talented quarterbacks with high potentials but both had glaring weaknesses.
I would much rather have Blake Sims than Milroe.
 

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Every one acts like we didn't have a great team last year with 2 lockdown corners. 1 taken in first other high second. 1 st round d-end the other high second round. A first round offensive tackle. We won last year despite milroe not because of him. When you have 2 great corners it limits everything add a pass rush and your dominate on defense. Not 2010 dominate but for today's game your start way ahead with those guys on defense.

No one brings it up but not sure if Seth has had a bad snap all year. He went to the one school that is literally buying a team to win this year all in and they wanted him. They must have known something wasnt right. Not the rose bowl but after a game last year I heard Milroe say the bad snaps were on him at the time I thought good teammate taking up for your center but the more I see the more I wonder.

Run game we have Booker Proctor and brailsford if we go left you think with 3 that will be all Americans eventually that we can pick up 4 yards when we need them but we can't. Jam and justice not good backs? I think it's so things going on offensively that we can't get that. Educated guess it's something with milroe tendency and keys giving certain things away to the opposing defense. The naked eye can see he can't run a option he just guesses. He stares down wr most of the time. I'm sure a defensive coordinator and a team of analysts our all over what we are doing on offense every week.

Anyone watch Lagway a true freshman run the option yesterday? Anyone wonder how he can make better reads when to keep and give vs our junior multi year starter?

So much smoke but never a fire I guess.
 

colbysullivan

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Every one acts like we didn't have a great team last year with 2 lockdown corners. 1 taken in first other high second. 1 st round d-end the other high second round. A first round offensive tackle. We won last year despite milroe not because of him. When you have 2 great corners it limits everything add a pass rush and your dominate on defense. Not 2010 dominate but for today's game your start way ahead with those guys on defense.

No one brings it up but not sure if Seth has had a bad snap all year. He went to the one school that is literally buying a team to win this year all in and they wanted him. They must have known something wasnt right. Not the rose bowl but after a game last year I heard Milroe say the bad snaps were on him at the time I thought good teammate taking up for your center but the more I see the more I wonder.

Run game we have Booker Proctor and brailsford if we go left you think with 3 that will be all Americans eventually that we can pick up 4 yards when we need them but we can't. Jam and justice not good backs? I think it's so things going on offensively that we can't get that. Educated guess it's something with milroe tendency and keys giving certain things away to the opposing defense. The naked eye can see he can't run a option he just guesses. He stares down wr most of the time. I'm sure a defensive coordinator and a team of analysts our all over what we are doing on offense every week.

Anyone watch Lagway a true freshman run the option yesterday? Anyone wonder how he can make better reads when to keep and give vs our junior multi year starter?

So much smoke but never a fire I guess.
The snaps are an enigma to be sure. Seth was fine with snapping to Bryce and seems to be fine at tOSU. Brailsford has been fine this year, so I don’t know what to think about 2023. Just a weird year.
 

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The snaps are an enigma to be sure. Seth was fine with snapping to Bryce and seems to be fine at tOSU. Brailsford has been fine this year, so I don’t know what to think about 2023. Just a weird year.
It would definitely take someone on the inside spilling the beans about why those snaps went awry. I don’t think Seth or Milroe would talk about it, so we won’t ever know.
 
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i think (hope) our d holds them to a lot less than 28
We score 58 and good luck with them not hitting a few big plays in the passing game. I am also hopeful we keep them under 28 but the hypothetical was JM goes Georgia for 4 Quarters Saturday. The game script for that will be a very heavy pass approach from LSU to try to keep it close and they are just too talented to realistically keep them to 10-17 if that would occur.
 
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It seems to me that collectively remembering Bryce was much more accurate than JM. Go back and look. Bryce was guilty of over throwing many wide open receivers. It was Mac who was the most accurate in the game dropping dimes.
Tua is the most accurate college QB that i have ever seen. Mac had the advantage of playing in the best offense ever at Alabama. But, injuries aside, I would take Tua over any other college QB - ever.
 

cdub55

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Tua is the most accurate college QB that i have ever seen. Mac had the advantage of playing in the best offense ever at Alabama. But, injuries aside, I would take Tua over any other college QB - ever.
Mac's offense was almost a mirror image of LSU's offense when Burrow was at the helm. Both teams were almost unstoppable. It really was a sight to see...
 

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Tua's accuracy can not be denied. I visited a few practices and saw him do things that I have never seen before in terms of throwing the football with pin point consistency. His only issue was he sometimes held on to the ball too long waiting for someone to break open and it cost him. He is doing the same thing in the NFL and it has almost cost him his career. Hopefully he fixes it before it is too late.
 

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