Charlie Kirk Part III

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CrimsonJazz

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Didn't the Biden administration pressure most of the social media companies to police covid statements made by users?

I'm trying to understand how Kimmel getting canceled has anything to do with the Trump administration. Did Trump call and say, suspend him....if he doesn't apologize fire him.

Disney fired Gina Carano a few years ago for a post she made. Companies can hire and fire whomst they want.
This is also true. Roseanne Barr claims to this very day that Obama called Igor and demanded she be fired. Hank Williams Jr. lost a sweet ABC gig when he compared Obama to Hitler. (Nowadays this sort of thing has become absolutely cliché.)

I get what you're saying; there is CLEARLY a double-standard at work here. Hell, the Biden administration literally tried to duplicate the Ministry of Information. Thank Christ cooler heads prevailed in that one. So yeah, both sides need to stop and take a minute to realize that the problems are not located exclusively on one side of the aisle. Either we're all committed to maintaining our constitutional rights or none of us are.
 

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Didn't the Biden administration pressure most of the social media companies to police covid statements made by users?

I'm trying to understand how Kimmel getting canceled has anything to do with the Trump administration. Did Trump call and say, suspend him....if he doesn't apologize fire him.

Disney fired Gina Carano a few years ago for a post she made. Companies can hire and fire whomst they want.
The head of the FCC threatened the licenses of affiliates if action wasn’t taken against Kimmel. His quote was, “We can do this the easy or we can do this the hard way.”

Companies can hire and fire who they want (in most cases), but the government should stay out of it, particularly when free speech issues are involved.
 
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Open your eyes and mind. Its not a coincidence that Paramount was in the same situation.
I mean: https://www.tidefans.com/forums/thr...tial-election-iii.336628/page-25#post-4199734

You argued Biden was fine ('physically and mentally slowed but he is in complete control of his mental faculties and totally capable of making good decisions') just eight days before everyone was finally forced to admit he was toast - and now you're saying 'open your eyes'.

NOT saying there isn't coercion, but c'mon man...
 

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This is also true. Roseanne Barr claims to this very day that Obama called Igor and demanded she be fired. Hank Williams Jr. lost a sweet ABC gig when he compared Obama to Hitler. (Nowadays this sort of thing has become absolutely cliché.)

I get what you're saying; there is CLEARLY a double-standard at work here. Hell, the Biden administration literally tried to duplicate the Ministry of Information. Thank Christ cooler heads prevailed in that one. So yeah, both sides need to stop and take a minute to realize that the problems are not located exclusively on one side of the aisle. Either we're all committed to maintaining our constitutional rights or none of us are.
Barr made a racist tweet that ended her time on the show. Williams did compare Obama to Hitler. Is there any evidence at all that the government played a role in having them fired/replaced?

I can certainly agree that there are incidents involving free speech suppression on both sides. As you say, cooler heads have usually prevailed in the past. However, there’s a real concern that there are no cooler heads in the Trump Administration. What’s happening now has to concern those who care about free speech, regardless of which side of the aisle they favor.
 
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MSNBC’s Chris Hayes on Kimmel getting fired: This renders the First Amendment meaningless.

Chris Hayes on Tucker getting fired: He believed he could say anything no matter how disgusting and get away with it. Over time, that’s not going to work out well for you.


You know, if there were actual news shows instead of editorial shows on these networks, there would be less embarrassing moments like this.
 

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The moment a threat is made (by the government agency) that implies or could be taken to imply desired action, then they are square in the wrong.
Color me stupid but I prefer a political leader to be above the world of late night tv and CNN/Fox News talking heads. If someone says something so out of line that causes you to react, you do it behind the scenes and/or address it in a way that shows decorum and professionalism. And yes, political leaders on both sides of the aisle have fell short of meeting this standard for quite sometime.
 

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The head of the FCC threatened the licenses of affiliates if action wasn’t taken against Kimmel. His quote was, “We can do this the easy or we can do this the hard way.”

Companies can hire and fire who they want (in most cases), but the government should stay out of it, particularly when free speech issues are involved.
And now House Dems are calling for Brendan Carr to resign immediately because he is waging war on the 1st amendment.

I do find it interesting that they didn't say the same when many things conservative were suppressed with pressure from the government....for years.

Mr. Carr was also nominated to his position by Trump and Biden and then Trump again.....and unanimously confirmed by the Senate all 3 times.

Ultimately, is it war on the 1st amendment....no. Was Kimmel arrested for what he said....no. Should the government ever be telling companies what to do....no. Should companies lobby and bribe government to do what it wants....no.

Should companies, especially huge brands like ABC be concerned with public backlash for something promoted on their network....yes.
 

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This is what companies like Nexstar and Sinclair, that pulled Kimmel off the air, have done to local news in this country. We are supposed to trust them, and our government, to be the gatekeepers of what should and should not be said.

This country needs to wake up and stop being manipulated by corporations and political parties.


Yes, dangerous indeed.
 

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You know, it just occurred to me: lost in all the hoo-hah about Jimmy Kimmel's cancellation, not one person has stated the most obvious thing about all this. Jimmy Kimmel is about as funny as a busted hemorrhoid. Sure, we can question the relevancy all we want to, but that doesn't make this any less true.
 
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Here's the question I'd like to ask......was Jimmy Kimmel, as an employee of ABC, representing ABC with what he said?

If the answer was yes, then ABC and Nexstar have a huge problem because all their affiliates licenses can be revoked for not serving the public interest. And yes, as a public broadcaster, they have an obligation to public interest. In addition to that....as public companies, they are beholden to their shareholders. So this one hurts their merger that is already controversial because of potential anti-trust violations...and the potential loss of revenue from losing licenses. Stock price would decline rapidly, shareholders wouldn't be happy.

If the answer was no (and this is the answer)....then they've got to suspend or cancel immediately to maintain their obligation and not lose their affiliates licenses and to keep this merger from basically getting axed since it needs the approval of the FCC commissioner. Revenue doesn't necessarily decrease, stock price doesn't necessarily plummet, shareholders happy.

To me this is a simple business decision. Keep Kimmel, die on the hill with him. Cut Kimmel, keep your revenue from plummeting and ticking off all the shareholders.

Now, Carr knew exactly what his statement on the Benny Johnson show would produce. Did he exert government pressure in an official capacity or did he make a statement on a podcaster's show knowing the reaction he might get.

Kimmel should have been fired. His statement could have cost big businesses a lot of money. Plus his statement was also a flat out lie and in very poor taste given that the country seems about to burst at the seams.
 
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You know, it just occurred to me: lost in all the hoo-hah about Jimmy Kimmel's cancellation, not one person has stated the most obvious thing about all this. Jimmy Kimmel is about as funny as a busted hemorrhoid. Sure, we can question the relevancy all we want to, but that doesn't make this any less true.
I remember watching The Man Show years ago. Him and Adam Carolla made that show pretty funny. And the two of them are opposite ends of the political spectrum. That was a good show though.
 
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You know, it just occurred to me: lost in all the hoo-hah about Jimmy Kimmel's cancellation, not one person has stated the most obvious thing about all this. Jimmy Kimmel is about as funny as a busted hemorrhoid. Sure, we can question the relevancy all we want to, but that doesn't make this any less true.
I liked him on "The Man Show" but to be honest Corolla was the funny one. I also got a chuckle or two out of the faux war with Matt Damon. Other than that he really isn't that funny and his decision to spend all his time making fun of Trump was a little boring. Trump is so easy to make fun of. There is absolutely no creativity left in that gag. There are soooo many on the left that could use some satire. Elizabeth Warren, Jasmine Crockett, Chuck Schumer. There is comedy gold in there for anyone with enough chutzpah to risk offending the Progressives.
 

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Finally, some push back against this administration's corruption.

SAG, WGA Slam Jimmy Kimmel Being Suspended

US House Democrats call on FCC chair to resign after pressuring Disney | Reuters

Robert Garcia launches probe of ABC's suspension of Jimmy Kimmel

We will see if anything comes of this, I doubt it. I'm sure slimy Mike Johnson will silence the probe. I think the administration went too far in this instance. Like always, there will be no consequences for them.
I agree with you that nothing will come of it. I'm not a fan of what Carr said. I don't think muddying the waters and sticking his nose in it was the right move at all. He should have kept his mouth shut.

Now do I think Kimmel should have been canned years ago? Yes, because he's an unfunny hack that was a weight around ABC's neck. Should he be fired for the absolute nonsense he spewed on Monday? Yes again, but it should be ABC and the affiliates deciding that. Just let public pressure from the consumer do its job.
 
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My whole point is the government gets involved in all kinds of stuff (IMHO) it shouldn't. Like it or not (and I don't!) that's just the nature of the beast.

But I wonder if the same people complaining about Kimmel were also complaining about the mandates.
Vaccine mandates address a clear and present health issue. You don't want to get vaxxed? Fine. Don't use any public services. You don't want to get your kids vaxxed? Fine. Prepare to home school them.

You don't like Kimmel? Fine. Don't watch him. I find it more than a little telling that people who are happy with Colbert and Kimmel being pulled from their have been conspicuously silent about Brian Kilmeade suggesting that homeless people should be euthanized.

Or, for that matter, people who claim that Charlie Kirk was just exercising his right to free speech, and then turn around and condemn other for using the same right.
 
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You really comparing posters on this board to a nationally televised show?

All it took was a man who had big breasted women jumping on trampolines to be fired to get dems to care about government overreach.

But no tribes here, got it.
So what if I am? Are you suggesting that this board should have have more tolerance for sick content? A weird flex, but you do you.

Or, if it will make you happy:

Of these two statements, which would you consider to be the sicker of the two?

1. "The Maga Gang desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."

2. "Homeless people should be euthanized."

Both statements were made on nationally televised shows.
 
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