Trump attacks Iran (was "Help is on the way")
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I would like to hear an articulation of what the policy objectives are (not the tactical or operational objectives, but at the level of grand strategy, I have not heard so I google searched.
Center for Strategic & International Studies, citing Trump, says the objectives are:
- Preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon
- Destroying its missile arsenal and production sites
- Degrading its proxy networks
- Annihilating its navy
In looking at the big picture - this action isn't being done solely for American interests.
It's being done for the entire Middle Eastern sphere - as well as for America.
Stability in the Mid-East benefits everyone - including the US.
First there was Gaza - now Iran. Not sure after this we will need to insert ourselves militarily but something had to be done about Iran sooner or later and I remain on board with this 100%.
I dunno, Bamaro - seems like we're doing pretty good with our military strikes and exercises thus far with these two "fools" in control.
Perhaps you are failing to recognize the scope of intelligence and capabilities within' the Pentagon and our intelligence agencies (?)
No other country is capable of pulling off what we have - not only with Iran but also Maduro.
British warplanes and troops have shot down multiple Iranian drones over Jordan and in Iraqi airspace as tensions escalate amid the ongoing US and Israeli-led military campaign in the Middle East.
Royal Air Force F-35B jets annihilated uncrewed aerial drones over Jordan -- marking the first time the aircraft have destroyed targets during combat -- to defend "British interests and allies," according to the UK's Ministry of Defence.
The Ministry of Defence also released dramatic footage showing the drones being obliterated midair.
A British Armed Forces Counter-Uncrewed Aerial Systems team also downed drones in Iraq airspace that were headed toward coalition forces, while a Royal Air Force Typhoon eliminated an Iranian one-way attack drone targeting Qatar on Monday, officials said on Tuesday.
"The action was taken in defence of our personnel and allies operation in the area," Defence officials said.
Prime Minister Keir Starmer on Sunday approved a US request to use British military bases after UK nationals came under attack from Iranian drone and missile barrages.
The prime minister said the move was vital to protect the roughly 300,000 Britons in the region, as Tehran has targeted hotels and airports in Gulf nations with American military bases.
Royal Air Force F-35B jets annihilated uncrewed aerial drones over Jordan -- marking the first time the aircraft have destroyed targets during combat -- to defend "British interests and allies," according to the UK's Ministry of Defence.
The Ministry of Defence also released dramatic footage showing the drones being obliterated midair.
A British Armed Forces Counter-Uncrewed Aerial Systems team also downed drones in Iraq airspace that were headed toward coalition forces, while a Royal Air Force Typhoon eliminated an Iranian one-way attack drone targeting Qatar on Monday, officials said on Tuesday.
"The action was taken in defence of our personnel and allies operation in the area," Defence officials said.
Prime Minister Keir Starmer on Sunday approved a US request to use British military bases after UK nationals came under attack from Iranian drone and missile barrages.
The prime minister said the move was vital to protect the roughly 300,000 Britons in the region, as Tehran has targeted hotels and airports in Gulf nations with American military bases.
BREAKING: Turkey says that an Iranian ballistic missile was fired at it's territory, but was intercepted by "NATO air and missile elements deployed in the Eastern Mediterranean" (likely a US Navy destroyer)
If the hardliners in Turkey push for it, this could be considered grounds to trigger Article V of the NATO Charter (an attack on one is an attack on all)
Of the numerous miscalculations by Iran in the last few months, this is pretty major...
If the hardliners in Turkey push for it, this could be considered grounds to trigger Article V of the NATO Charter (an attack on one is an attack on all)
Of the numerous miscalculations by Iran in the last few months, this is pretty major...
French President Emmanuel Macron has ordered the country’s aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle to set course for the Mediterranean amid Iran war.
“Since last Saturday, war has once again engulfed the ... Middle East, triggered by strikes launched by the United States and Israel against Iran,” he said in a televised address.
“It is now spreading throughout the region and having grave consequences for peace and security for all.
“Faced with this unstable situation and with the uncertainties of the coming days, I’ve ordered that the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, its air assets, and its frigates escort set course for the Mediterranean.”
“Since last Saturday, war has once again engulfed the ... Middle East, triggered by strikes launched by the United States and Israel against Iran,” he said in a televised address.
“It is now spreading throughout the region and having grave consequences for peace and security for all.
“Faced with this unstable situation and with the uncertainties of the coming days, I’ve ordered that the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, its air assets, and its frigates escort set course for the Mediterranean.”
Crazy!
For over 20 years, Unit 8200 tracked Khamenei's daily routine, hacked Tehran traffic cameras, and used AI to sift intercepted calls. They knew he went underground at night when he expected attacks.
So they struck at 9:40 a.m. on a Saturday morning while he was above ground with his family.
Blue Sparrow missiles launched from F-15s exited the atmosphere before crashing down, bypassing air defenses entirely.
Khamenei and six top officials were dead before Iran even knew the war had started. FT / WSJ
For over 20 years, Unit 8200 tracked Khamenei's daily routine, hacked Tehran traffic cameras, and used AI to sift intercepted calls. They knew he went underground at night when he expected attacks.
So they struck at 9:40 a.m. on a Saturday morning while he was above ground with his family.
Blue Sparrow missiles launched from F-15s exited the atmosphere before crashing down, bypassing air defenses entirely.
Khamenei and six top officials were dead before Iran even knew the war had started. FT / WSJ
Man I had to do a deep dive on Reddit to find groups talking about this.
It’s disturbing and honestly scary how brain dead stupid people in power can be.
Though to my surprise both r/military and r/christianity overwhelmingly called it out as nonsense.
Many veterans expressed they wouldn’t ever trust a superior again that said anything like that and they’d most likely be suspicious of being sent on a suicide mission.
I didn’t bother with r/conservative
They are so brainwashed and smooth brained I knew what the temperature of that place would be.
Well, no, the source I cited (CSIS, citing Trumps address) did not list that among the objectives.
I am not sure what that would mean in this context: simply killing the Ayatollah or bringing about a democratic Iran that does not pursue nuclear weapons or support terrorists around the world. One is simple (already done), the other is an order of magnitude more difficult.
I can understand why a draft dodging sufferer of terminal bone spurs is not familiar with the Thursday evening “Vietnam body count” of the late 60s, all those losers and suckers.
Secretary 90 Proof apparently doesn’t understand that when you get your car home safely it doesn’t make the news but if you cause a 16-car pileup with deaths it’s the lead story.
I just heard an impromptu press conference by Rubio and he said pretty much verbatim three of these four. He did not mention proxy networks.
Speaking of a pileup
It’s crazy to me how under reported it has been that the US lost three F-15 Eagles to friendly fire.
It’s estimated to cost US Taxpayers $300+ Million to replace.
Here is the thing… Rubio may be the only one that has a little bit of sense out of the 3 war daddies. But both Hegseth and Trump keep shifting between regime change and protection of the Middle East to whatever it is tomorrow. At the end of the day Trump is the leader of the military and his words on the subject carries alot of weight and projects the official policy. Which has been shady at best
True. It is incumbent on the president to be clear as possible as to what objectives he wants to pursue. That is pre-eminently his domain. How the military can achieve those objectives is SECDEF and CJCS's job, but what it to be achieved is the president's. And if he tries to be vague, then he will undermine the work of the Pentagon because if you do not know what the objective is, how the heck do you know whether you are headed that way and when you have arrived? To the extent the president issues clear objectives and priorities, to the same degree the op has a chance of being successful. Politicians like keeping their options open, but that really hamstrings the military.
I work with a guy who was the J5 Plans and Policy guy at the Joint Task Force that did Libya. WQhen he arrived aboard the USS Mount Whitney, a bunch of Marines and aviators were putting DMPIs on maps: "We'll bomb this, then we'll bomb that ..."
My colleague asked the commander, "What are our objectives?" The commander shrugged and looked at the POLAD (State Dept guy), who also shrugged. My friend went to the unclass media room, and watched Youtube videos of President Obama on the subject of Libya until he had teased out a few things he thought might pass for objectives. He gave the list to the commander, who handed it to his POLAD. The POLAD said, "I'll send these to Foggy Bottom and see what they say. "The next day, the POLAD said, "They say these are good."
Not supposed to be that way. It should be a top-down, not a bottom-up thing.
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