Trump Attacks Iran, IV

[81usaf92]

How did we ever agree to be responsible for what Israel does?

Because they are “god’s people”, we owe them for the Holocaust, and if we didn’t back them on everything then they would be destroyed…. Yet they have a nuclear weapon despite not being an official nuclear power.

Israel may have destroyed themselves under Bibi down the road. Because Americans are starting to grow very tired of Israel’s wars and the politicians that are bought by the Israeli government.

 

[Bamaro]

We now seem to have the MoU/cease fire breaking down but still have our military in place. Maybe its easier said than done but why not continue OUR blockade of all shipping in the straight, in and out of Iran only, and concentrate Iran's ability to block the straight. Keep the economic pressure on Iran and covertly support the Kurd resistance. Maybe the new Iran leadership can be brought down from within.
This MoU is ridiculous.

 

[81usaf92]

We now seem to have the MoU/cease fire breaking down but still have our military in place. Maybe its easier said than done but why not continue OUR blockade of all shipping in the straight, in and out of Iran only, and concentrate Iran's ability to block the straight. Keep the economic pressure on Iran and covertly support the Kurd resistance. Maybe the new Iran leadership can be brought down from within.
This MoU is ridiculous.

It’s not that simple. The Kurd resistance is like the northern alliance in that there is a reason that they have made very little headway in their efforts against the regime.

As far as Iran’s ability to close the strait… I don’t think there is a pragmatic solution that doesn’t involve American troops on the ground in Iran.

Iran’s regime… Again the Trump and Bibi cheerleaders kept saying “it’s falling all we have to do is kick the door down” yet it replaced it with a far more hard liner version of the previous regime. The truths are this:

1) The Iranian people absolutely hate the IRCG and the IR

2) The Iranian people absolutely loathe Western interference in their government

3) There isn’t a clear alternative between the two extremes. Nor is there a political movement that wouldn’t be challenged by an up and comer war lord.

Point being any pressure on the IR would just result in the status quo because there is no real alternative to it. The idea that it could be brought down from within should be tossed out after seeing them completely rebound after us and Israel pretty much kill most of their high ranking military and government officials in a matter of days. Unless we commit to a ground war then the idea of a new government in Iran is something of wishful thinking at best. Which that has it’s own set of problems too.

 

[UAH]

We now seem to have the MoU/cease fire breaking down but still have our military in place. Maybe its easier said than done but why not continue OUR blockade of all shipping in the straight, in and out of Iran only, and concentrate Iran's ability to block the straight. Keep the economic pressure on Iran and covertly support the Kurd resistance. Maybe the new Iran leadership can be brought down from within.
This MoU is ridiculous.

It is hard to defend the Iranian rulers and equally difficult to defend the atrocities being committed by the Israeli government. With regard to us blockading the Strait again I have heard that Chinese flagged vessels have been allowed to pass our blockade. The Trump administration has gotten itself into a very difficult position with Russia and China providing support to Iran and much of the western world rejecting the Israli attacks in Lebanon and the genocide being carried out in Gaza. As ugly as the MOU is it may prove to be the best way out of an enormous mistake that Trump got the US into.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

It is hard to defend the Iranian rulers and equally difficult to defend the atrocities being committed by the Israeli government. With regard to us blockading the Strait again I have heard that Chinese flagged vessels have been allowed to pass our blockade. The Trump administration has gotten itself into a very difficult position with Russia and China providing support to Iran and much of the western world rejecting the Israli attacks in Lebanon and the genocide being carried out in Gaza. As ugly as the MOU is it may prove to be the best way out of an enormous mistake that Trump got the US into.

Everyone keeps mentioning "boots on the ground" as one possible solution. It's not. The American people will not stand for another Middle Eastern war and loss of American blood and life for a war with undefined goals. That's out. Forget it. On top of that, it's impossible. It's a big country and they have mobile rocket launcher. We will never be able to do anything other than diminish, maybe by 30%, like now, their capacity to harm their neighbors or close the strait. Pay attention to the last. They can close the strait with rocket launchers we can't track and neutralize. They won, and they know they won. All we've done over two Trump administrations, climaxing with this godforsaken war, is wreck Pax Americana and a World Order which worked, all sacrificed at the feet of one megalomaniac with unfathomable needs...

 

[81usaf92]

Everyone keeps mentioning "boots on the ground" as one possible solution. It's not. The American people will not stand for another Middle Eastern war and loss of American blood and life for a war with undefined goals. That's out. Forget it. On top of that, it's impossible. It's a big country and they have mobile rocket launcher. We will never be able to do anything other than diminish, maybe by 30%, like now, their capacity to harm their neighbors or close the strait. Pay attention to the last. They can close the strait with rocket launchers we can't track and neutralize. They won, and they know they won. All we've done over two Trump administrations, climaxing with this godforsaken war, is wreck Pax Americana and a World Order which worked, all sacrificed at the feet of one megalomaniac with unfathomable needs...

Boots on the ground would have far reaching consequences that its defenders and cheerleaders don’t understand. Iran isn’t the backwatered country that the Zionist defenders make it out to be. Yes their government is very medieval in structure and practice but their infrastructure and institutions are far more like Turkey than they are like Somalia or Afghanistan. It would require far more troops than it did in Iraq and Afghanistan. The IRGC is far more advanced and fanatical than any enemy we have fought since Korea. Yes we would win the battles and capture cities but at what cost? And for what purpose? The Trump administration keeps changing the purpose of getting into this conflict and it makes me doubt that if they ever decide to invade Iran that we would have a clear objective other than to topple the IR.

 

[JDCrimson]

Boots on the ground would have far reaching consequences that its defenders and cheerleaders don’t understand. Iran isn’t the backwatered country that the Zionist defenders make it out to be. Yes their government is very medieval in structure and practice but their infrastructure and institutions are far more like Turkey than they are like Somalia or Afghanistan. It would require far more troops than it did in Iraq and Afghanistan. The IRGC is far more advanced and fanatical than any enemy we have fought since Korea. Yes we would win the battles and capture cities but at what cost? And for what purpose? The Trump administration keeps changing the purpose of getting into this conflict and it makes me doubt that if they ever decide to invade Iran that we would have a clear objective other than to topple the IR.

The US is incapable of fighting and winning any war under Trump and that is known worldwide now...

 

[arthurdawg]

The idiocy of it all is simply astonishing... We are already at a point where we will likely never get back to where we were. Heck, they aren't finished dismantling the NIH, and we are already a decade or two of reconstructive work down the hole there.

It's a tragicomedy in real time.

 

[UAH]

The US is incapable of fighting and winning any war under Trump and that is known worldwide now...

In the 2025 US attack on Iran's nuclear sites and subsequent attacks by Iran on Israel I have seen statistics that the US Navy fired a significantely greater number of interceptor missiles than Israel did. If we consider the amount of advanced weapons the US has expended in 2025 and 2026 there is a fundamental question as to how the US can replace the expended weaponry. I understand that China produces approximately 99% of the Gallium produced around the world and has placed strict restrictions on exporting it for use in defense systems and it is fundamental to producing the advanced chips required in missile radar systems. It is a complex issue but the US has a lot of work to accomplsh to have access to the rare earth materials necessary in a number of areas.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Because they are “god’s people”, we owe them for the Holocaust, and if we didn’t back them on everything then they would be destroyed…. Yet they have a nuclear weapon despite not being an official nuclear power.

Israel may have destroyed themselves under Bibi down the road. Because Americans are starting to grow very tired of Israel’s wars and the politicians that are bought by the Israeli government.

I’ve never supported Israel for religious reasons, but rather because they (ostensibly) stood for freedom and western ideals while surrounded by primitive cave dwellers.

But yes indeed, Bibi has burned that bridge, to the point that quite a few friends of mine who, like me, supported them for western ideals rather than religious reasons, have also changed their minds.

None of us want to see another US dime sent there. And it’s only going to get worse - I know a few folks who have become borderline anti-Semitic over the last few years.

 

[UAH]

In the 2025 US attack on Iran's nuclear sites and subsequent attacks by Iran on Israel I have seen statistics that the US Navy fired a significantely greater number of interceptor missiles than Israel did. If we consider the amount of advanced weapons the US has expended in 2025 and 2026 there is a fundamental question as to how the US can replace the expended weaponry. I understand that China produces approximately 99% of the Gallium produced around the world and has placed strict restrictions on exporting it for use in defense systems and it is fundamental to producing the advanced chips required in missile radar systems. It is a complex issue but the US has a lot of work to accomplsh to have access to the rare earth materials necessary in a number of areas.

Taken a step further Gallium is only produced in the processing of bauxite into alumina. Of course Canada is the 4th largest Aluminum producer in the world and we know how they have been treated. The only other alternative is to process it from electronics scrap. Hardly a strategy for maintaining military readiness.

 

[bamaga]

From Barron’s-

The talks between the U.S. and Iran have paused, and word from the Iranian side suggests its leaders weren't happy with President Trump's threats to renew bombing if Iran doesn't curb activity by Hezbollah.
The Iranian delegation suspended the meeting in Switzerland after those comments, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing Nour News, which is linked to Iran’s Supreme National Security Council. But other reports said the talks had taken a break but were still expected to continue.
Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf said Iran was prepared to respond militarily, the Journal reported, citing Ghalibaf's social media post. “They better be careful with their statements, our armed forces are ready to respond in a different way,” he said on X. “Whatever they say, we are the ones who will act.”
The Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Iran President Masoud Pezeshkian saying that the country had "no fear of defending its legitimate rights."
IRNA also quoted Ghalibaf dismissing Trump's latest rhetoric, saying Tehran "does not count U.S. threats for anything."
Trump said on his own social media platform earlier today that he would "hit Iran very hard again" if Iran's proxies in Lebanon weren't stopped from causing trouble.


I think they just called your bluff, Donny

 

[TIDE-HSV]

From Barron’s-

The talks between the U.S. and Iran have paused, and word from the Iranian side suggests its leaders weren't happy with President Trump's threats to renew bombing if Iran doesn't curb activity by Hezbollah.
The Iranian delegation suspended the meeting in Switzerland after those comments, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing Nour News, which is linked to Iran’s Supreme National Security Council. But other reports said the talks had taken a break but were still expected to continue.
Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf said Iran was prepared to respond militarily, the Journal reported, citing Ghalibaf's social media post. “They better be careful with their statements, our armed forces are ready to respond in a different way,” he said on X. “Whatever they say, we are the ones who will act.”
The Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Iran President Masoud Pezeshkian saying that the country had "no fear of defending its legitimate rights."
IRNA also quoted Ghalibaf dismissing Trump's latest rhetoric, saying Tehran "does not count U.S. threats for anything."
Trump said on his own social media platform earlier today that he would "hit Iran very hard again" if Iran's proxies in Lebanon weren't stopped from causing trouble.


I think they just called your bluff, Donny

It's as if there's a chess tournament going on; two guys are hunched over the table and there's this blathering madman offstage to one side, screaming threats at one side. I wouldn't blame the Iranians for breaking off until he stops. Again, does he have one advisor with half a brain that he'll listen to?

 

[Bamaro]

It's as if there's a chess tournament going on; two guys are hunched over the table and there's this blathering madman offstage to one side, screaming threats at one side. I wouldn't blame the Iranians for breaking off until he stops. Again, does he have one advisor with half a brain that he'll listen to?

He seems to lean strongly towards unqualified sycophants

 

[bamacpa]

We don’t have munitions to carry out his threats and they know it.

 

[81usaf92]

I’ve never supported Israel for religious reasons, but rather because they (ostensibly) stood for freedom and western ideals while surrounded by primitive cave dwellers.

But yes indeed, Bibi has burned that bridge, to the point that quite a few friends of mine who, like me, supported them for western ideals rather than religious reasons, have also changed their minds.

None of us want to see another US dime sent there. And it’s only going to get worse - I know a few folks who have become borderline anti-Semitic over the last few years.

The problem has always been the 1940’s-1980’s views on the Middle East.

For one… we have this unconscious war guilt about the Holocaust that we never say enough time has passed. I mean what Milosevic did to the Bosnians and Muslims was catastrophic too and far more recent, but you don’t see Bosnians constantly asking for our help or endless amounts of money to fund their military. At some point we have to just acknowledge that the Holocaust happened, we helped form the modern nation of Israel, we gave them a fighting start, and move on.

Israel plays victim way too much and then uses it as justification to take far more than was ever reasonable in response. They are not surrounded by enemies anymore like they constantly claim. The gulf and African Arabs are far more concerned about pleasing Western politicians than fighting for a sliver of land in the desert these days. 95% of Israel’s problems stem from their colonization of the West Bank and their constant invasions in Lebanon. Bibi’s government has rejected every attempt to cohabitate in diplomatic ways since the 90’s and constantly plays the “we were attacked for no reason” game.

I personally think Bibi has taken the West too far on Israeli interests with the Iran War. After it ends and after Trump is gone, Israeli support might be over.

 

[UAH]

The problem has always been the 1940’s-1980’s views on the Middle East.

For one… we have this unconscious war guilt about the Holocaust that we never say enough time has passed. I mean what Milosevic did to the Bosnians and Muslims was catastrophic too and far more recent, but you don’t see Bosnians constantly asking for our help or endless amounts of money to fund their military. At some point we have to just acknowledge that the Holocaust happened, we helped form the modern nation of Israel, we gave them a fighting start, and move on.

Israel plays victim way too much and then uses it as justification to take far more than was ever reasonable in response. They are not surrounded by enemies anymore like they constantly claim. The gulf and African Arabs are far more concerned about pleasing Western politicians than fighting for a sliver of land in the desert these days. 95% of Israel’s problems stem from their colonization of the West Bank and their constant invasions in Lebanon. Bibi’s government has rejected every attempt to cohabitate in diplomatic ways since the 90’s and constantly plays the “we were attacked for no reason” game.

I personally think Bibi has taken the West too far on Israeli interests with the Iran War. After it ends and after Trump is gone, Israeli support might be over.

I appreciate the fact that US public opinion is moving significantely away from supporting Israel due to the genocide occurring in Gaza and our near constant involvement in wars in the region. Israel is well entrenched with many of the war hawks like Lindsey Graham in terms of being bought out! How could it be explained otherwise? There are close relationships within our military and the IDF and almost assuredly Mossad has well placed agents amidst our defense conglomerate. This to say that our blind support of Israel cannot be easily reduced.

 

[arthurdawg]

I appreciate the fact that US public opinion is moving significantely away from supporting Israel due to the genocide occurring in Gaza and our near constant involvement in wars in the region. Israel is well entrenched with many of the war hawks like Lindsey Graham in terms of being bought out! How could it be explained otherwise? There are close relationships within our military and the IDF and almost assuredly Mossad has well placed agents amidst our defense conglomerate. This to say that our blind support of Israel cannot be easily reduced.

I think most people would be fine with some US support for Israel if it was primarily defensive. But the recent near genocidal attacks on the civilian population of Gaza were a crime against humanity.

That and we should expect Israel to align their policies in support our own. It is mind boggling that we are basically a puppet they maneuver about as they want.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I think most people would be fine with some US support for Israel if it was primarily defensive.

I'm not so sure - most people seem to be sick of the US FedGov sending our tax dollars to other countries on the regular. Helping an ally in need? Sure.
Sending boatloads of cash or aid to a country just because? Nope.

Too many folks are tired of seeing the value of the dollar rapidly diminish and are sick of pumping billions overseas while they struggle for support for Israel to continue.

 

[arthurdawg]

I'm not so sure - most people seem to be sick of the US FedGov sending our tax dollars to other countries on the regular. Helping an ally in need? Sure.
Sending boatloads of cash or aid to a country just because? Nope.

Too many folks are tired of seeing the value of the dollar rapidly diminish and are sick of pumping billions overseas while they struggle for support for Israel to continue.

No argument there.. Particularly now.

Personally after all the damage they've cause us, my personal thought is to cut bait and let them live on their own dime.