Julio Jones thread- this is where to place post-UA game comments/discussion

bamar

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Re: Julio Jones should not be our biggest concern.

i agree buzzard. we have spent 3 years waiting on a offensive line to propell, our offense to the promised land. we had a excellent defense for two of those years. we had good rbs, fullback, the best two receivers in the sec in brown, and hall. still without the blocking we could not get the job done. yea, i know many are going to blame shula, thats nonsense. we just did not have the offense to move the ball down the field. we still dont. we have a strong receiving class coming in, and they will complement what we have returning. believe me, if the offensive line play picks up and blocks for the run, and protects jpw, we will have a strong team. jpw will be fine with protection. just think if we had a offensive line like tennessees, that only gave up 9 sacks the whole season, what would it do for jpw and our receivers. receivers, are plentiful, look at the nfl. you need one go to guy, and the rest need to be role receivers, catch the ball in traffic, block well, dont drop many balls. possession receivers. we will do fine. coach saban will make sure we have enought to get the job done.
 

deliveryman35

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Tell that to Calvin Johnson - he did just fine with one of the worst QBs in recent history.

Quick, someone tell me who Roddy White's QB was. He went in the first round and is getting paid 1st round money. Irving Fryar was the overall #1 draft choice and he played with an option QB.
Check out the wide receivers that have gone in the first round over the years and you'll see that a lot of them played for pedestrian QBs.

Turner Gill may have been primarily an option qb and he was certainly no Dan Marino or John Elway, but he wasn't exactly chopped liver. He was extremely athletic and could pass the ball very well, considering the system he played in at Nebraska.

You can go down the line and cite all kinds of examples of good receivers playing on teams with mediocre qbs, but that doens't change the fact that young players coming up today, especially, DO take into consideration the quality of personnel with whom they will be playing, among other factors as well. Go back and read Julio's comments on which this thread is based--WHO is at the qb position is important to him, and that's understandable.
 

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Turner Gill may have been primarily an option qb and he was certainly no Dan Marino or John Elway, but he wasn't exactly chopped liver. He was extremely athletic and could pass the ball very well, considering the system he played in at Nebraska.

You can go down the line and cite all kinds of examples of good receivers playing on teams with mediocre qbs, but that doens't change the fact that young players coming up today, especially, DO take into consideration the quality of personnel with whom they will be playing, among other factors as well. Go back and read Julio's comments on which this thread is based--WHO is at the qb position is important to him, and that's understandable.

Well if Julio is putting that much stock into who will be the starting QB his freshman year there's nothing we can do about it. JPW is the odds on favorite to win the job for 08 and he'll be a senior. I highly doubt Star Jackson is going to come in and be the starter from game one. So if Julio is going to put that much weight into his first year and not have the patience to let Star wait a year before he truly has a shot at the qb position then so be it. That's his choice. But it also tells me that Julio probably ain't looking at staying a full four years no matter where he goes.

Bama cannot change what they have no control over. And the stipulations that Julio has appeared to put out there is something that doesn't exist at Bama at this moment in time. Oh well.
 

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we need julio 4 the star ratings and so star jaxkson has a big time target to thro 2 julio is the best high school player ever in alabama and it would be a crime if he left the state of alabama as long as its not auburn lol we have to have teh #1 class in the country to let people kno we are back and no one can touch us!!!
Punctuate much?
 

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I'm looking forward to reading (post count shows I read much more) all the post from those who are proven wrong on signing day, and stand-up and admit it. JJ does not speak alot, and in the atmospere he was in at that moment, nervous etc., and for everyone to hang on one short statement, which I think may not have been exactly what he meant (I hope), dunno, lol.
I feel he will end up at Bama for alot of reason's, but a few, close to home, best friend is there, Mom, CNS, Star, entire family becomes instant royalty in state, chance to win MNC (soon I hope,lol) etc.etc.. But he and I GUESS maybe some family are the only who know for sure, but I feel he will be GREAT and NFL bound which ever school he attends, which I believe will be Bama, forever and ever amen. RTR
 

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One thing I think needs mentioning in this thread. At the Under Armor practices the top WR performer was Josh Jarboe. Jarboe committed to OU during the game. Jarboe and Julio were on the same team. How this affects Julio and OU I don't know.

The really frustrating thing about Julio is about all he will say is that he is wide open, no favorites, no list, and even the rest of his official visit list seems to wide open for change. This is being said with less than a month before NSD. It certainly appears that he has not been totally sold on Alabama up to this point. Hopefully that will change really soon.

In one interview after the game when asked how the Alabama official visit (his only official visit so far) went all he said was it went alright. Then immediately he said he is wide open he does not have four favorites or any favorites. I really think he does not know where he will go yet. He seems to always say he wants to go somewhere where he feels comfortable. I am starting to wonder myself if he will end up at Alabama. Hopefully he will choose Alabama but he will not make or break this class.
 
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BoomShakaLaka

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I know one of the girls who is a hostess when the recruits come on their official visits. She said he absolutely will not talk about anything that has to do with recruiting, but he will talk about anything else and cuts up with the other players a good bit when not talking about recruiting. My gut feeling as of today is that he is OU bound as of today, although I firmly believe that Saban is going to do everything in his power to get him and he may swing him to Bama in the end. And though I would love to have him at Bama, if he's not coming here I would rather he go to OU than any other school on his list.
 

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Question for those who no better than me: I hear all the time about how many time JJ was up for Bama games last season as a reason why he will end up a UA. Does anyone know what the actual number was?
 

JeffAtlanta

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that doens't change the fact that young players coming up today, especially, DO take into consideration the quality of personnel with whom they will be playing
I think you are misunderstanding my point. I agree with your statement - my point is that if a WR recruit cares about their NFL draft position then their QB in college doesn't matter. The recruit may still pick his college using that criteria but it won't help his draft status.

The NFL drafts players based on potential, not on how many BCS games their team played in or his college stats. NFL scouts care about physical stats, combine numbers and athletic ability. This is true of all positions but especially wide receiver.

Matt Jones went in the first round as a WR although he had rarely even played the position. Matt Cassell was a backup QB at Southern Cal and he still got drafted ahead of Jason White.

A team's wide receivers coach and strength and conditioning coach are much more important to a WR's draft position than his QB.
 
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JeffAtlanta

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At the Under Armor practices the top WR performer was Josh Jarboe.
For those that have paid attention, how well does a player's performance at the all star games correlate to their performance in college?

Have the players that really stood out during these games gone on to have be stars in college or has there not been much of a correlation?
 

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On that note, I had heard all week about Jarboe, but was left completely unimpressed by him in the game. What did you see from him? He was maybe victimized by some bad balls, but man, that guy can not separate from a defender...
That comment has me puzzled as well. Did Jarboe even have a catch in the game? Julio accounted for nearly ALL of his team's offensive yardage and yet he thinks Jarboe looked better? Julio was hands down the best WR in that game, even with the drops and passes that he usually catches. I believe Jarboe is a good player but he's not better than Julio IMHO.
 

Crimson Surfer

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That comment has me puzzled as well. Did Jarboe even have a catch in the game? Julio accounted for nearly ALL of his team's offensive yardage and yet he thinks Jarboe looked better? Julio was hands down the best WR in that game, even with the drops and passes that he usually catches. I believe Jarboe is a good player but he's not better than Julio IMHO.
96Gators said he was more impressed with Jarboe than JJ. In the game JJ was the top WR performer. Now during the week when JJ was slowed by the fluid on his knee and tendonitis Jarboe was said to be the top performer at WR during the practices.

ESPN/Scout Inc. was so impressed with Jarboe through out the practices that they elevated him to their No. 3 wide receiver ranking and the No. 14 spot on the ESPN 150. JJ showed he was the better receiver in the game. Julio caught six passes for 97 yards. I can't even find Jarboe's stats. Julio has retained the # 1 spot of the ESPN 150. I was thinking they may drop him after listening to some of their comments during the week and at the game.

ESPN 150
 

deliveryman35

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Re: Julios comment after UnderArmor all star game

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I agree with your statement - my point is that if a WR recruit cares about their NFL draft position then their QB in college doesn't matter. The recruit may still pick his college using that criteria but it won't help his draft status.

The NFL drafts players based on potential, not on how many BCS games their team played in or his college stats. NFL scouts care about physical stats, combine numbers and athletic ability. This is true of all positions but especially wide receiver.

Matt Jones went in the first round as a WR although he had rarely even played the position. Matt Cassell was a backup QB at Southern Cal and he still got drafted ahead of Jason White.

A team's wide receivers coach and strength and conditioning coach are much more important to a WR's draft position than his QB.

Thanks for the clarification, Jeff. Looks like we're on the same page after all.
 

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Id be shocked if Julio didnt come to Alabama!! We have Lester here and I remember those two saying they wanted to play together. If Julio were not to come to Bama id be a little upset but like CNS said its a process so we should get over it and move on!!
 

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Id be shocked if Julio didnt come to Alabama!! We have Lester here and I remember those two saying they wanted to play together. If Julio were not to come to Bama id be a little upset but like CNS said its a process so we should get over it and move on!!
Well this is just my opinion. You would think this late in the recruiting process Julio would have a narrowed down list of favorites. If I had made up my mind, or was even slightly leaning to to a school, I would say good things about that school at every opportunity to the recruiting media. I would certainly list them among my favorites and say good things about the coach and their football team whenever asked. I would try to recruit other top prospects for that school like Star Jackson and Tyler Love have done for Alabama.

Some of you can call it what you want paranoia, pessimism, but if you take a realistic look at what Julio has said or more importantly has not said you will see it speaks volumes. He is undecided with no favorite. That is his words not mine.

I know a lot of people are optimistic and some say that Julio will be just like Andre Smith and pick Alabama. Well if you have listened to Andre Smith talk about his commitment since he signed with Alabama you will know that he did not make his decision until very late in the process. The last few days as a matter of a fact. I certainly hope that Julio makes the same decision but as he said just yesterday he does not have a favorite. Hopefully that will change.
 
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Well this is just my opinion. You would think this late in the recruiting process Julio would have a narrowed down list of favorites. If I had made up my mind, or was even slightly leaning to to a school, I would say good things about that school at every opportunity to the recruiting media. I would certainly list them among my favorites and say good things about the coach and their football team whenever asked. I would try to recruit other top prospects for that school like Star Jackson and Tyler Love have done for Alabama.

Some of you can call it what you want paranoia, pessimism, but if you take a realistic look at what Julio has said or more importantly has not said you will see it speaks volumes. He is undecided with no favorite. That is his words not mine.

I know a lot of people are optimistic and some say that Julio will be just like Andre Smith and pick Alabama. Well if you have listened to Andre Smith talk about his commitment since he signed with Alabama you will know that he did not make his decision until very late in the process. The last few days as a matter of a fact. I certainly hope that Julio makes the same decision but as he said just yesterday he does not have a favorite. Hopefully that will change.
I tend to agree with you, CS. I truly hope that it's as simple as he just has not made a final decision yet, as opposed to having his mind made up secretly and just gloating in the limelight and attention that he is getting. I still think the qb situation could have a bearing on it. Remember, these guys expect PT early if not immediately and who's under center throwing the ball(or who is widely expected to be) when he sets foot on campus could make a difference.
 

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Re: Julios comment after UnderArmor all star game

"I am trying to go somewhere that already has somebody pretty good at quarterback," Jones said. "Someone that is a freshman or a sophomore who will be there with me."

what do you guys make of this? I hope he's referring to Star Jackson!
This is a very long thread so this may have already been noted. But Julio has either visited or is planning to visit Florida and Tebow was/is his host for the weekend.
I'm going to say this and get a lot of criticism. I'd love to see the kid at Bama.
But I do have to wonder...do we really want someone who's so darn hard to convince?
I mean Julio is laying out qualifications and requirements about the type of Quarterback he wants...etc.
I kinda like the players who say.."Bama is the place for me and I want to help them win a national title".
Even if they have one or two less stars.

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JeffAtlanta

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Re: Julios comment after UnderArmor all star game

But I do have to wonder...do we really want someone who's so darn hard to convince?
Yes. The recruiting process is not like asking a girl out on a date, where if she needs to be begged then the odds are very high it's not a good fit anyway.

Once players enroll and become part of the team then all of the indecision is ancient history. The Andre Smith recruiting saga that CS mentioned above is a prime example. He wasn't sure until very late but now he represents Alabama very proudly.

Also, with Saban at the helm I am sure that he would just break off recruitment of a player if he got the idea that the recruitment process was taking a unbecoming turn.

Sometimes players just aren't sure until the very end.
 
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Is it possible that he has made his mind up and is keeping his mouth shut because of the flack that will be coming his way for signing out of state? If he'd taken lots of unofficials out of state that would be my thinking, but his unofficials were to Bama. Very confusing.
 

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