2024 Braves Trades and Acquisitions

didn't feel like starting a new thread, but Andruw Jones snubbed by the Hall of Fame again. If he had played for the Dodgers or Yankees, he would have been a 1st ballot guy.

I know there's lesser guys than him there, but I still don't buy him (and I loved him) as a HOFer, either. Every single horrible selection ever made for the HOF was made by the Veterans Committee, usually when some guys knew one of the players personally and voted him in.

YANKEES
Earle Combs - doesn't belong
Bill Dickey
Joe DiMaggio
Whitey Ford
Lou Gehrig
Lefty Gomez - doesn't belong
Joe Gordon
Goose Gossage - probably doesn't belong
Waite Hoyt - probably doesn't belong
Miller Huggins - only there because he managed the 27 Yankees
Reggie Jackson
Derek Jeter
Tony Lazzeri - probably doesn't belong
Mickey Mantle
Joe McCarthy
Mariano Rivera
Phil Rizzuto - probably doesn't belong (debatable case defended only by his announcer years)
Red Ruffing
Babe Ruth
Casey Stengel
Joe Torre

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You could subtract Reggie's five years with the Yankees, and he's still probably in the HOF. They're also pushing for Thurman Munson (and if I say "no," I'm accused of disrespecting the dead) and Jorge Posada, who was basically Brian McCann or Javy Lopez, both decent players but not HOF worthy.


OTOH - one guy who 100% SHOULD be in and was with the Yankees? Billy Martin.
 
I know there's lesser guys than him there, but I still don't buy him (and I loved him) as a HOFer, either. Every single horrible selection ever made for the HOF was made by the Veterans Committee, usually when some guys knew one of the players personally and voted him in.

YANKEES
Earle Combs - doesn't belong
Bill Dickey
Joe DiMaggio
Whitey Ford
Lou Gehrig
Lefty Gomez - doesn't belong
Joe Gordon
Goose Gossage - probably doesn't belong
Waite Hoyt - probably doesn't belong
Miller Huggins - only there because he managed the 27 Yankees
Reggie Jackson
Derek Jeter
Tony Lazzeri - probably doesn't belong
Mickey Mantle
Joe McCarthy
Mariano Rivera
Phil Rizzuto - probably doesn't belong (debatable case defended only by his announcer years)
Red Ruffing
Babe Ruth
Casey Stengel
Joe Torre

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You could subtract Reggie's five years with the Yankees, and he's still probably in the HOF. They're also pushing for Thurman Munson (and if I say "no," I'm accused of disrespecting the dead) and Jorge Posada, who was basically Brian McCann or Javy Lopez, both decent players but not HOF worthy.


OTOH - one guy who 100% SHOULD be in and was with the Yankees? Billy Martin.

I'm not sure if he's objectively a HOF'r either tbh.

He's one of the best Defensive CF's of All-Time and he was certainly on pace for the HOF those 1st 10-11 seasons with his Offensive production added.

But he just really went downhill in every area after he left ATL.

Such a rapid downturn probably leaves him in the Hall of Very Good.

He was one of my favorites though for sure.
 
Boys let’s just accept this…

The Braves are gambling on this being a WS year but I think they are playing “make it to the TDL” game.

I have this gut feeling that they don’t think they will have the money to re sign Fried after this year and have cut the dead weight to accommodate for late additions to the rotation. I believe Hurston Waldrep will be the #3 or #4 man sooner than later and either Elder or Morton will be your ace long reliever.

I think we have the tools to make the run but the question remains… “will we?”
 
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Boys let’s just accept this…

The Braves are gambling on this being a WS year but I think they are playing “make it to the TDL” game.

I have this gut feeling that they don’t think they will have the money to re sign Fried after this year and have cut the dead weight to accommodate for late additions to the rotation. I believe Hurston Waldrep will be the #3 or #4 man sooner than later and either Elder or Morton will be your ace long reliever.

I think we have the tools to make the run but the question remains… “will we?”

We will not sign Fried. The organization will not pay him what other teams will pay him. Outside of a miracle and he stays for less money. I am afraid we might not win another WS in my lifetime
 
We will not sign Fried. The organization will not pay him what other teams will pay him. Outside of a miracle and he stays for less money. I am afraid we might not win another WS in my lifetime

How Fried addressed it seems like he gave them a number and they can take it or leave it. I have a feeling that the Dodgers are going to need another lefty and we will have to make a better offer for Fried to stay than we did for Freddie to keep him.

I really believe the Sale move was made because we are hoping we have 3 wins out of most rotations enough to experiment with Waldrep later in the season.
 
We will not sign Fried. The organization will not pay him what other teams will pay him. Outside of a miracle and he stays for less money. I am afraid we might not win another WS in my lifetime

Big True.

We are cheap as an organization and are unwilling to make Big roster moves to make a pre-determined run at making and winning a WS

2021 was a Lightning in the Bottle Miracle if we are being honest.

The 2023 Offense was one of the best in the Modern era and we couldn't even get to the NLCS.

At best we will pour our heart and soul and guts into winning the NL East again... run out of gas...and get bounced un-ceremonially in the NLDS and then do it all over again while we sit back and watch LA take all our best players that we are too cheap to resign.
 
How did this organization hold on to Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz for so many years? I guess it was a different mentality back then or the players did not ask for as much or wanted to stay.

Tbh I don't really remember exactly why.

But back then it seemed like FA and Trades weren't as crazy and teams still stayed together longer and of course the Salaries overall weren't as obscene and crazy high as they are now.

Plus most of our stars actually came up through our farm system.

Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery, and Chipper were all developed internally.

I think the Big 3 (Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz) just wanted to stay together in their Prime because they all knew they were a part of something special and also they were all great friends.
 
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Tbh I don't really remember exactly why.

But back then it seemed like FA and Trades weren't as crazy and teams still stayed together longer and of course the Salaries overall weren't as obscene and crazy high as they are now.

Plus most of our stars actually came up through our farm system.

Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery, and Chipper were all developed internally.

I think the Big 3 (Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz) just wanted to stay together in their Prime because they all knew they were a part of something special and also they were all great friends.
Yep - Maddux went to Atlanta at a slight discount, but everyone stayed because the game was different back then. There was a level of rich that players were satisfied with. No more
 
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I still believe.

We have the offense no doubt. Sale is a gamble but sometimes those payoff. We have to play those cards because we will never spend like the dodgers.
 
I still believe.

We have the offense no doubt. Sale is a gamble but sometimes those payoff. We have to play those cards because we will never spend like the dodgers.
I think that the Dodgers just broke MLB. It feels a lot like that the Yankees did 20 years ago. They will win a few championships, but mostly they will shift the power back to the big money teams.
 
How did this organization hold on to Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz for so many years? I guess it was a different mentality back then or the players did not ask for as much or wanted to stay.
Others stated more certain reasons and reasons of more substance but IMO, Bobby Cox was a major reason most Atlanta players contemplating their future probably began their thought process with "I love playing for Bobby Cox - he knows the game, is patient, generous, yet holds us accountable, and he understands and appreciates the right kind of people.". So, Atlanta would at least get any benefit of the doubt. Anyone part of an organization involving close and meaningful contact with associates understands the importance of working in a good or great atmosphere vs bad or even OK.

IMO, Mal Moore provided the same for Nick Saban, thus providing Alabama an edge when/if CNS contemplated moving on. In Mal's case it was a little different and more personal, I sincerely believe his genuine humble, selfless love for the University had a profound double effect on CNS. My guess is that he still thinks about Coach Moore often. IMO, Alabama fans are deeply indebted to Mal Moore.
 
We will not sign Fried. The organization will not pay him what other teams will pay him. Outside of a miracle and he stays for less money. I am afraid we might not win another WS in my lifetime

Let me think here:

I was 26 - literally, it was my birthday the day we won the 95 World Series.
I was 52 a few days earlier when we won the 2021 Series.

That's one every 26 years, meaning I have to live until 2047 and be 78 years old and STILL HAVE A WORKING BRAIN to ever be able to enjoy this.

OTOH, I began pulling for the Rangers when I moved here in 2005 and look at this bizarre coincidence:

1977 - becomes a Braves fan
1982 - Braves make playoffs my sixth year as Braves fan
1995 - Braves win WS my 19th year as Braves fan (next to last of 7 games scheduled on my b'day)

2005 - becomes a Rangers fan (first game? Rangers vs Braves)
2010 - Rangers make playoffs my sixth year as Rangers fan
2023 - Rangers win WS my 19th year as a Braves fan (next to first of 7 games scheduled on my b'day)
 
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How did this organization hold on to Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz for so many years? I guess it was a different mentality back then or the players did not ask for as much or wanted to stay.


Short version:
Basically, thanks to the labor agreements used between 1990 and 2002, the free agents were limited to getting big money only from rich clubs, which included Atlanta.


Long version:
Basically, this is what happened (and you'll know some of this):
The Braves traded for Smoltz and drafted Glavine (and Avery) and made not one but TWO World Series' before Maddux left the Cubs.

Maddux was offered $27.5M by the Cubs DURING the 1992 season, but he wanted to test the waters.
The Yankees offered him $36M, the Braves only $28M (yes - only $500K above what the Cubs offered). You also have to remember that in December 1992, the Yankees were without Steinbrenner (who had been banned for life from the game in 1990), which was key to their development into the dynasty. The Yankees of the Steinbrenner Era UNTIL he was gone were a madhouse of insanity and people forget how good they were because they didn't win any REAL pennants from 1978 until 1995 (they were awarded a mid-season flag due to the 1981 strike). So Maddux didn't want to go into the pressure cooker, and the Braves were clearly set for the long haul. Plus, you could look at Toronto, who had just won the 1992 WS and see that Bobby Cox was capable of building a winning foundation. He was gone when it arrived, but Toronto was a new franchise train wreck that Cox turned into a playoff team in just four years and one that contended pretty much every year 1985-94. He and Pat Gillick put the infrastructure in place.

Smoltz and Glavine were both eligible to become free agents in 1993 - that's a KEY date in the discussion. When he saw Maddux was coming to town, Glavine opted to remove that as an obstacle and signed a 4-year, $20.5M contract through 1996. At the same time, Smoltz signed a 4-year, $16M contract through 1996 as well. Maddux had a five-year deal that kept him through 1997.

The key component, though, was the 1994-95 baseball strike. That whole debate was about competitive imbalance and the fact small teams (like the Royals or Pirates) couldn't hope to compete with the rich teams (like the Yankees or Braves) led to whole thing largely being about the level of luxury tax to be applied to teams that went above a certain salary threshold and how much. Because of that strike, baseball operated under the 1990-93 basic agreement until the new one was signed - which wasn't until November 1996.

This had a multi-pronged affect, but that's why it's no accident the Braves and Yankees (as rich teams) dominated the rest of the 90s. There was no luxury tax in that agreement (that occurred in 2002), so the small market clubs were all out when it came to signing big name free agents. Smoltzie's contract came due after he had that 24-8 season and won the Cy in 1996...and damned if that wasn't when Ted Turner announced the sale of the team to Time Warner.

I would also venture to say with Glavine being from the Boston area, Maddux having grown up in Vegas, and Smoltz near Detroit, they were probably made to feel part of the area and community with some Southern/Atlanta hospitality. You don't have that in the same way in their areas of origin. So that MAY have played a role in, "I'll take $6M a year instead of $7M a year and stay here."

And they were winning, which covers a lot of problems, too.
 
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It really doesn't matter unless the Dodgers completely implode. Their team is going to set records.

IDK. Ohanti gets hurt… ALOT and so does Kershaw. These super teams rarely pan out the way people think. They are still banking on a very old core of players and hoping their arms will be fresh come September and October. I think there is a huge possibility that LA doesn’t win their division.

Atlanta will most likely win the East… but what is new? I think this year’s mission is to bury the damn Phillies or else figure out Ranger Suarez.
 
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