2024 Presidential Election, V

[92tide]

Haven't you heard? Daring to suggest that Palestinian non-combatants should be protected is code for unconditional support for Hamas.

(See also Dick Cheney attacking anyone who questioned post 9-11 policies.)

yes, the magical balance fairy told me the other night in a dream

 

[81usaf92]

It really is nuts out there. TYT is even backing off the woke train a little, whereas others are jumping in head first. One of the leftists out there I genuinely enjoy listening to is Jimmy Dore. He is what I like to call a "real leftist." He understands that both the DNC and GOP have thrown the working class overboard and there are no answers to be found among these people. I don't care for socialist solutions that he prefers, but at least he calls balls and strikes against the establishment with amazing consistency.

I’ve never liked Dore, and a lot of it has to deal with his cheerleading for political violence.

I think TYT has seen what the skeptic community figured out in that the vast amount of support from the far left is almost in between anarchy and communism, and only uses their beliefs to justify the eradication of the right in government. TYT after the Dallas shooting has in many ways tried to back off their more extreme rhetoric because they thought they were about to get their ass sued to kingdom come over it. It’s why they kicked Jimmy to curb.

Cenk is still crazy but he seems more contained than he was about 6-7 years ago.

 

[dtgreg]

My friend, you must not have watched Morning Joe during the last, oh, I don`t know, 3 years? You`re right if you say Joe Scarborough WAS a Republican, but he sure as hell isn`t one now. He and his wife and co-host Mika Brizenski are without question the biggest Joe Biden supporters and apologists ( at least until the debate ) on the planet this side of Karine Jean Pierre! They wouldn`t be the headline morning show on MSNBC if they weren`t!
By the way, you don`t know me personally, so you really don`t have any idea what is and is not a "W" for me, politically or otherwise. And where did this Liz Cheney stuff come from?

Is anyone who is anti-dictator Trump a Lefty? No, Joe and Liz are not Republicans anymore. Why is that?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I’ve never liked Dore, and a lot of it has to deal with his cheerleading for political violence.

I think TYT has seen what the skeptic community figured out in that the vast amount of support from the far left is almost in between anarchy and communism, and only uses their beliefs to justify the eradication of the right in government. TYT after the Dallas shooting has in many ways tried to back off their more extreme rhetoric because they thought they were about to get their ass sued to kingdom come over it. It’s why they kicked Jimmy to curb.

Cenk is still crazy but he seems more contained than he was about 6-7 years ago.

The same can be said for Dore. He has mellowed out since his TYT days which is what makes him so much more watchable than he used to be. It has been an amazing transformation.

 

[81usaf92]

The same can be said for Dore. He has mellowed out since his TYT days which is what makes him so much more watchable than he used to be. It has been an amazing transformation.

maybe age mellows you out. But i still won’t get over him encouraging the Dallas shooting.

But like i said, most of their rise came because the far left wanted something to back up anti-Zionism, anti religion, anti-cop, and anti military beliefs and it spiraled out of control after the Castille shooting. I think Cenk really is like a good number of talk show hosts in him not being as married to his character as he really puts on. I will give him this… Cenk did not let his crazies let him just become the left Alex Jones. IDK if that is Ben finally standing up to him or if he really does have some morals. But there has been a noticeable change in content.

 

[Bamaro]

It's probably got something to do with a paycheck.

It has a lot to do with 8 years ago when trump would call into the Morning Joe every morning and Joe S would gladly take his calls live on the air. Then trump started to become trump with lies and crazy statements. Kellyann C would then come on and try to clean things up, eventually with outlandish lies herself. Joe finally stopped taking trumps calls so then trump launched personal attacks on Joe about murdering one of his aids and on Mika about cosmetic surgery. Joe is still pretty conservative but all that that gets you today is harsh criticism from trump sycophants. Its become personal as much as political.

 

[Bazza]

After watching some of today's presser by KJP......I think she should get the Medal of Freedom for what she went through today fielding questions about her boss's mental health!

A quick comment on the first talking point she makes about the 200K added jobs......

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/05/economy/june-jobs-report-final/index.html

The majority of these NEW jobs were in Education and Health Care - with Government a close second. Meanwhile Manufacturing went into the minus column along with Retail and Professional and Business Services.

I won't go into the specifics but unless you are given where these jobs were added you don't get the whole picture. So here it is....the whole picture of where jobs were added. Congratulations...as taxpayers, you just added 70K+ more employees!

Education and health services	82K
Government	70K
Construction	27K
Other services	16K
Wholesale trade	14.2K
Financial activities	9K
Transportation and warehousing	7.3K
Leisure and hospitality	7K
Information	6K
Utilities	900
Mining and logging	0
Manufacturing	−8K
Retail trade	−8.5K
Professional and business services

 

[Tideflyer]

It's probably got something to do with a paycheck.

LOL!! Yeah you could very well be right on target!!

 

[Tideflyer]

It has a lot to do with 8 years ago when trump would call into the Morning Joe every morning and Joe S would gladly take his calls live on the air. Then trump started to become trump with lies and crazy statements. Kellyann C would then come on and try to clean things up, eventually with outlandish lies herself. Joe finally stopped taking trumps calls so then trump launched personal attacks on Joe about murdering one of his aids and on Mika about cosmetic surgery. Joe is still pretty conservative but all that that gets you today is harsh criticism from trump sycophants. Its become personal as much as political.

OK, could very well be correct on that.

 

[Tideflyer]

Is anyone who is anti-dictator Trump a Lefty? No, Joe and Liz are not Republicans anymore. Why is that?

Don`t know. Guess that would be a question for them. Maybe they`ve made public statements as to why? Someone commented that in Joe`s case it might have to do with a pay check ( MSNBC ). They may be close to the truth there! To your first question, is anyone who is anti-Trump a Lefty? I would say that everyone who is anti-Trump is not necessarily a Leftist. I find it easier to believe, however, that everyone who is a Leftist is anti-Trump. Would you not agree on that ?

 

[dtgreg]

Don`t know. Guess that would be a question for them. Maybe they`ve made public statements as to why? Someone commented that in Joe`s case it might have to do with a pay check ( MSNBC ). They may be close to the truth there! To your first question, is anyone who is anti-Trump a Lefty? I would say that everyone who is anti-Trump is not necessarily a Leftist. I find it easier to believe, however, that everyone who is a Leftist is anti-Trump. Would you not agree on that ?

I have to question your candor when you say you "don't know" why life-long republicans are no longer republicans. I guess I'm saying I don't believe you. All people who believe in the Constitution are anti-Trump. I was going to agree on "Leftists" since I consider myself one, but on better thought and you reminding me about TYT idiots calling for violence and thinking about Abbie Hoffman and his ilk, there are definitely Leftists who would support Trump to burn it all down.

 

[Tideflyer]

I have to question your candor when you say you "don't know" why life-long republicans are no longer republicans. I guess I'm saying I don't believe you. All people who believe in the Constitution are anti-Trump. I was going to agree on "Leftists" since I consider myself one, but on better thought and you reminding me about TYT idiots calling for violence and thinking about Abbie Hoffman and his ilk, there are definitely Leftists who would support Trump to burn it all down.

Since you`ve chosen to make this personal and ascribe belief, or in this case non-belief, to something I`ve said, OK. Perhaps you have the ability to divine the motivations of others that you don`t personally know as to why they do the things they do. I`ve never made such claims. I might have opinions and ideas like anyone else, but I don`t KNOW for sure.
Your definitive statement, " All people who believe in the Constitution are anti-Trump " is, in my opinion, presumptuous to an extreme. It may be YOUR personal opinion but that`s all it is and I would submit that it`s based primarily on your personal enmity towards Donald Trump.

 

[Maudiemae]

Don`t know. Guess that would be a question for them. Maybe they`ve made public statements as to why? Someone commented that in Joe`s case it might have to do with a pay check ( MSNBC ). They may be close to the truth there! To your first question, is anyone who is anti-Trump a Lefty? I would say that everyone who is anti-Trump is not necessarily a Leftist. I find it easier to believe, however, that everyone who is a Leftist is anti-Trump. Would you not agree on that ?

I still believe we will not all fit neatly into a category. I consider myself a lefty. I am horrified by Trump and even more horrified that anyone supports him. I'm a Zionist but I truly despise Netanyahu and what he's doing now since, in my opinion, he's making things so much worse. I know plenty of conservatives right now, who feel the same way about those two political figures.

 

[dtgreg]

Since you`ve chosen to make this personal and ascribe belief, or in this case non-belief, to something I`ve said, OK. Perhaps you have the ability to divine the motivations of others that you don`t personally know as to why they do the things they do. I`ve never made such claims. I might have opinions and ideas like anyone else, but I don`t KNOW for sure.
Your definitive statement, " All people who believe in the Constitution are anti-Trump " is, in my opinion, presumptuous to an extreme. It may be YOUR personal opinion but that`s all it is and I would submit that it`s based primarily on your personal enmity towards Donald Trump.

It's true I can't find one redeeming quality about Trump. I will not bend the knee to a king. I believe in rule by the people and for the people, not one man.

George III may turn out to be prescient.

 

[92tide]

the deep state rears it's head

 

[92tide]

fwiw

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810311522406609318

President Biden: Trump hasn't done anything in 10 days. He's been riding around a golf cart in Mar-a-Lago with his wealthy friends. I'm not running because of the rich guys. I'm running for the American people. I beat Donald Trump last time, I'll beat him this time

 

[92tide]

also, fwiw

Can Kamala Harris beat Trump? New poll puts her ahead of Joe Biden

A new poll shows Vice President Kamala Harris doing better against Donald Trump than President Joe Biden or other possible candidates.

www.usatoday.com

 

[crimbru]

siap

 

[MikeInBama]

“the left” is not cozying up to hamas

Palestine = hamas, what does from the river to the sea mean but extermination and genocide of Israel?

 

[MikeInBama]

After watching some of today's presser by KJP......I think she should get the Medal of Freedom for what she went through today fielding questions about her boss's mental health!

A quick comment on the first talking point she makes about the 200K added jobs......

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/05/economy/june-jobs-report-final/index.html

The majority of these NEW jobs were in Education and Health Care - with Government a close second. Meanwhile Manufacturing went into the minus column along with Retail and Professional and Business Services.

I won't go into the specifics but unless you are given where these jobs were added you don't get the whole picture. So here it is....the whole picture of where jobs were added. Congratulations...as taxpayers, you just added 70K+ more employees!

Education and health services	82K
Government	70K
Construction	27K
Other services	16K
Wholesale trade	14.2K
Financial activities	9K
Transportation and warehousing	7.3K
Leisure and hospitality	7K
Information	6K
Utilities	900
Mining and logging	0
Manufacturing	−8K
Retail trade	−8.5K
Professional and business services

Otherwise known as Bidenomics