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The other way to view those stats are that JM relied on the long passing game (twice as many yards with just a few more catches for Bernard) as that's where he does have a strength and where plays take longer to develop. That's what Bernard evolved to and what Ryan Williams appears to naturally excel at.

Where JM is not very good is the quick passing game where timing, being in sync, having faster processing time and a quick release are critical. that's the type of passing game that guys like Law are most productive in.
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Well, the problem with that logic is that Milroe had no trouble finding Germie Bernard or Ryan Williams. Also, Bernard's stats dramatically improved with Milroe as his QB -- almost twice as much production with only 7 additional touches.

Law had several drops but the big issue is despite his physicality he couldn't get separation. consistently. I think a good analog for what he should have been able to accomplish was how Washington used Bernard last year at UW. Switchblade-type guy who could frustrate defenses off jet-action in addition to helping the running and screen games with his blocking (which, in that case, he did pretty well). The production just wasn't there (8 carries for 30 yards, 3.8 avg., 21 of those yards on one play ... 10 catches for 105 yards). When you add in the penalties on ST you have to wonder whether you can depend on a guy like that.
Because he didn’t have four elite receivers in front of him…
 

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Because he didn’t have four elite receivers in front of him…
He didn't have four ahead of him at UW, either. He had two (Rome Odunze, Ja'lynn Polk). Bernard's arrival cut into the playing time of Jalen McMillan, whose numbers dropped from 2022 to 2023 by roughly the same amount as what Bernard added.

That's why I kept the comparison to per-event production. Bernard had 47 touches (rush and receiving) at UW compared to 54 at Bama, but nearly doubled his output here. Also, I would have to go back and pull every game sheet (which is tedious to the point that I'm not going to do it) but to gilbert's point about Bernard being more involved in the deep passing game at Bama to the exclusion of the intermediate game, I don't believe that's what the stats are going to show. Just remembering what I saw about his targets and target depths.
 
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I posted this a few weeks ago in a postgame thread but it's relevant to your point....

Speaking of Elite here's an interesting tidbit I saw elsewhere..

Jalen Milroe vs Top 10 Defenses (FEI) the last 2 seasons

2023 - #1 Michigan, #6 Texas
2024 - #4 Georgia, #5 Tennessee, #7 South Carolina, #10 Oklahoma

Totals
109/177 (61.6%)
1,357 yards (7.7 YPA)
6 TD / 10 INT

Average Game
18/29 (61%)
226 yards (7.7 YPA)
1 TD / 2 INT

Team Record 2-4


I tried to find his lost fumbles stats too because I know he's had a ton.

But anyway he just absolutely melted down against the toughest defenses he faced.
Thanks for some actual facts.

A while back I proposed JM was batting around .500 on games that matter (and I think that was before the Vandy and OU debacles).

At any rate, it was worse than I thought. If you are an elite QB at Bama, you can't lose 1 out of 2 games that really matter.
 

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He didn't have four ahead of him at UW, either. He had two (Rome Odunze, Ja'lynn Polk). Bernard's arrival cut into the playing time of Jalen McMillan, whose numbers dropped from 2022 to 2023 by roughly the same amount as what Bernard added.

That's why I kept the comparison to per-event production. Bernard had 47 touches (rush and receiving) at UW compared to 54 at Bama, but nearly doubled his output here. Also, I would have to go back and pull every game sheet (which is tedious to the point that I'm not going to do it) but to gilbert's point about Bernard being more involved in the deep passing game at Bama to the exclusion of the intermediate game, I don't believe that's what the stats are going to show. Just remembering what I saw about his targets and target depths.
so you made me curious, not enough to look at every game sheet with target depths etc, but I think some of the WR effectiveness from 23 to 24 gets masked by how much UW asked him to rush and how it wasn't all that effective. He rushed 13 times for 43 yards, just a 3.3 average so that's going to reduce his per touch yardage significantly. At Bama he only rushed 4 times, but average 9.5 - still below his yards per touch in the passing game, but that's not going to pull down his average per touch nearly as much as the UW numbers are.

Just looking at pure passing:

Bama - 46 for 714. Avg 15.5 with 2 TDs and a long of 47 (conf). he also had one that was 45 (non-conf).

UW 34 for 419. Avg 12.3 with 2 TDs and a long of 36.

In addition to the two longer ones above looking down the game log for the long catches per game he had 22, 26, 34, 26, 32 and 26 in addition to the 47 and 45 with 3 games above a 20 ypc average. His 23 game long only list that one catch over 30, then drops down to 27, 24 and 28 and only one game above 20 ypc average.

His rushing stats at UW are interesting also; looks like it was either a long gain or bust. Game log looks like 2 rush, 8 yards with a long of 8 (so averaged 4, but it was 8 and 0), or 5 rushes for 12 yards with a long of 11 (4 rushes for 1 yard), etc.
 

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One of the national guys on X put up a stat about our deep passing somewhere around the Oklahoma game and it showed Milroe was like 2 for his last 20 on deep routes, some ridiculously low number. I looked for it last night but couldn't find it.

There's always a bit of gray area between what constitutes an "intermediate" and a "deep" route anyway, because a guy can show a catch for 50 but it might have been a 10-yard route followed by a 40-yard RAC. I believe a lot of Bernard's production in the second half of the year came off routes that would typically be classified as intermediate, that he then extended with his legs after the catch. And that would line up with the report on X about Milroe's struggles with the deep ball late in '24.

What I saw from Bernard as the season went along was that he got pretty adept at finding the cushion in a zone and waiting on Milroe to find him, because you have to wait on Milroe every now and then to process that the route is indeed there.
 

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I posted this a few weeks ago in a postgame thread but it's relevant to your point....

Speaking of Elite here's an interesting tidbit I saw elsewhere..

Jalen Milroe vs Top 10 Defenses (FEI) the last 2 seasons

2023 - #1 Michigan, #6 Texas
2024 - #4 Georgia, #5 Tennessee, #7 South Carolina, #10 Oklahoma

Totals
109/177 (61.6%)
1,357 yards (7.7 YPA)
6 TD / 10 INT

Average Game
18/29 (61%)
226 yards (7.7 YPA)
1 TD / 2 INT

Team Record 2-4


I tried to find his lost fumbles stats too because I know he's had a ton.

But anyway he just absolutely melted down against the toughest defenses he faced.
To be somewhat fair, many of those defenses brought a non stop blitzing game plan.
 

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