Alabama QB competition article

[NationalTitles18]

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[drwho]

We also know CNS is loyal to his starters who he trusts, sometimes possibly to a fault.

This is what worries me about the situation. Everyone can see who the best option is at QB.



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[Evil Crimson Dragon]

This is what worries me about the situation. Everyone can see who the best option is at QB.



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I feel like Saban does as well, but will give Jalen a chance out of fairness.........in the end I think Tua takes over. I think he also knows about who the team is behind and has confidence in, and what could happen if things go the other way. I think he chooses Tua

 

[westide]

What does "give Jalen a chance" mean? He has had two years of chances by CNS' own words. If that isn't fair I don't know what is. In those two years there have been many chances. We know Bama can beat teams with inferior defenses with Jalen at QB. Does give Jalen a chance mean he gets to play a half against every team with good defenses and rely on Tua to come in and save the day? I think CNS' loyalty is first and foremost to the team. Maybe I am going out on a limb here, but I think CNS will do what is best for the team. He proved that by starting Tua in the second half of the national championship game. While we are discussing fairness and chances then what about Tua and Mac. Does anyone doubt that CNS tells recruits if they come to Bama and put in the work and the effort and prove they are the best they will start. If Tua and Mac have done everything that CNS has asked them to do and have proven in practice that they can execute Bama offense better than Jalen then how is that being unfair to Jalen? If CNS starts Jalen when everyone knows that Tua is better, that sends a terrible message to future recruits and it will be the catalyst that will divide the team.

 

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[JustNeedMe81]

I've spent lot of time reading all of the posts since the thread was started. I think I understand why some people are on Tua's side, and some are on Jalen's as well. I think we probably are overlooking few things regarding Jalen.

1. Jalen said he wanted to learn how to be a pro-style QB. he didn't get that development from Kiffin and Daboll.
2. Jalen is heading into Junior year with a third OC... ( Well, if you count Sark, then it's 4th) That's lot of turnover for a QB trying to learn the position.
3. I really believe that Jalen's performance was affected by the fact he was told by Kiffin and Daboll to play it safe and was limited to half of the field
4. Many of you have heard story about Daboll and Locksley game planning for Hurts.. and how Daboll refused to develop Hurts. He was a NFL guy, not college guy.
5. Everyone spent so much time blaming Hurts for his performance and what he didn't do on the field... but we often forget about the contributing factors that played into his performances on the field... I honestly don't believe it's 100 percent on Hurts...
6. I've maintained my position on the fact that I believe Jalen should get another fair chance to show what he can do under Eno and see how much he has progress with a dedicated QB. I know Tua has talent and so does Hurts.

Let them battle it out in the fall camp and whatever happens, it happens. If Jalen starts.. I will support him 100 percent. if Tua starts... I will support him 100 percent. We will be fine either way. There is a reason why Coach Saban is the coach of the team, and you know what? Let's just trust him to make a decision on what's best for the team. We may not always like it, but support your team.

 

[RedWave]

I've spent lot of time reading all of the posts since the thread was started. I think I understand why some people are on Tua's side, and some are on Jalen's as well. I think we probably are overlooking few things regarding Jalen.

1. Jalen said he wanted to learn how to be a pro-style QB. he didn't get that development from Kiffin and Daboll.
2. Jalen is heading into Junior year with a third OC... ( Well, if you count Sark, then it's 4th) That's lot of turnover for a QB trying to learn the position.
3. I really believe that Jalen's performance was affected by the fact he was told by Kiffin and Daboll to play it safe and was limited to half of the field
4. Many of you have heard story about Daboll and Locksley game planning for Hurts.. and how Daboll refused to develop Hurts. He was a NFL guy, not college guy.
5. Everyone spent so much time blaming Hurts for his performance and what he didn't do on the field... but we often forget about the contributing factors that played into his performances on the field... I honestly don't believe it's 100 percent on Hurts...
6. I've maintained my position on the fact that I believe Jalen should get another fair chance to show what he can do under Eno and see how much he has progress with a dedicated QB. I know Tua has talent and so does Hurts.

Let them battle it out in the fall camp and whatever happens, it happens. If Jalen starts.. I will support him 100 percent. if Tua starts... I will support him 100 percent. We will be fine either way. There is a reason why Coach Saban is the coach of the team, and you know what? Let's just trust him to make a decision on what's best for the team. We may not always like it, but support your team.

I am not so sure I buy into the highlighted part. He wouldn't refuse. He may have seen that Jalen simply didn't have the ability to do what is needed and instead limited what was asked to a smaller group of more manageable things. To really develop Jalen from where was at to where he needs to be probably requires far more time than the team can afford to sacrifice. I mean, how many years have other QB's spent doing all these things Jalen hasn't done while he was learning to take off and just out-athlete everyone instead? I bet Tua has many years of learning to make reads quickly and throw the ball than Jalen has. Anyway, I don't think acknowledging that Jalen simply can't get there in the time allotted is the same as refusing to develop him. Through little or no fault of his own, Jalen is simply too far behind the curve and we had to work with what he had and go piece meal from there. He just never got any better at the group of things he needed to learn first in order to move forward.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

I am not so sure I buy into the highlighted part. He wouldn't refuse. He may have seen that Jalen simply didn't have the ability to do what is needed and instead limited what was asked to a smaller group of more manageable things. To really develop Jalen from where was at to where he needs to be probably requires far more time than the team can afford to sacrifice. I mean, how many years have other QB's spent doing all these things Jalen hasn't done while he was learning to take off and just out-athlete everyone instead? I bet Tua has many years of learning to make reads quickly and throw the ball than Jalen has. Anyway, I don't think acknowledging that Jalen simply can't get there in the time allotted is the same as refusing to develop him. Through little or no fault of his own, Jalen is simply too far behind the curve and we had to work with what he had and go piece meal from there. He just never got any better at the group of things he needed to learn first in order to move forward.

The way I see it is no OC has to teach one of the two to pass and be an NFL QB.

 

[RedWave]

The way I see it is no OC has to teach one of the two to pass and be an NFL QB.

I agree. But I have seen that line about Daboll refusing before. I don't believe it quite could have happened like that. More likely, he saw no way to there from here with the time they had with Jalen. The only solution, really, is to give him one new thing to learn, practice, and get good at. Once he has that, give him the second piece and once he has mastered that, piece the first two together and then move on to the third, etc. Problem is Jalen never got that first part mastered to where the next piece could be layered in correctly. So, to me, it wasn't a refusal as much as a stall. And again, this is all my own perception based on no expertise whatsoever.

 

[BamaMoon]

I've spent lot of time reading all of the posts since the thread was started. I think I understand why some people are on Tua's side, and some are on Jalen's as well. I think we probably are overlooking few things regarding Jalen.

1. Jalen said he wanted to learn how to be a pro-style QB. he didn't get that development from Kiffin and Daboll.
2. Jalen is heading into Junior year with a third OC... ( Well, if you count Sark, then it's 4th) That's lot of turnover for a QB trying to learn the position.
3. I really believe that Jalen's performance was affected by the fact he was told by Kiffin and Daboll to play it safe and was limited to half of the field
4. Many of you have heard story about Daboll and Locksley game planning for Hurts.. and how Daboll refused to develop Hurts. He was a NFL guy, not college guy.
5. Everyone spent so much time blaming Hurts for his performance and what he didn't do on the field... but we often forget about the contributing factors that played into his performances on the field... I honestly don't believe it's 100 percent on Hurts...
6. I've maintained my position on the fact that I believe Jalen should get another fair chance to show what he can do under Eno and see how much he has progress with a dedicated QB. I know Tua has talent and so does Hurts.

Let them battle it out in the fall camp and whatever happens, it happens. If Jalen starts.. I will support him 100 percent. if Tua starts... I will support him 100 percent. We will be fine either way. There is a reason why Coach Saban is the coach of the team, and you know what? Let's just trust him to make a decision on what's best for the team. We may not always like it, but support your team.

i think you note some true things. Jalen was forced into a situation too soon. But it's a new season and IMO, it's just not that complicated. Eyes don't lie. Tua is better and it's not even close.

Jalen is what Jalen is, at this point. Could he improve some? Yes, but never will he catch up to where Tua is right now. And Tua will get better too.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

I am not so sure I buy into the highlighted part. He wouldn't refuse. He may have seen that Jalen simply didn't have the ability to do what is needed and instead limited what was asked to a smaller group of more manageable things. To really develop Jalen from where was at to where he needs to be probably requires far more time than the team can afford to sacrifice. I mean, how many years have other QB's spent doing all these things Jalen hasn't done while he was learning to take off and just out-athlete everyone instead? I bet Tua has many years of learning to make reads quickly and throw the ball than Jalen has. Anyway, I don't think acknowledging that Jalen simply can't get there in the time allotted is the same as refusing to develop him. Through little or no fault of his own, Jalen is simply too far behind the curve and we had to work with what he had and go piece meal from there. He just never got any better at the group of things he needed to learn first in order to move forward.

I'm pretty sure that was discussed several times since daboll left. I think we had a thread on Daboll earlier this year that discussed that.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

i think you note some true things. Jalen was forced into a situation too soon. But it's a new season and IMO, it's just not that complicated. Eyes don't lie. Tua is better and it's not even close.

Jalen is what Jalen is, at this point. Could he improve some? Yes, but never will he catch up to where Tua is right now. And Tua will get better too.

But can Tua win the team over? Can he play mistake free game that Saban likes? Can Tua adjust when defense like LSU and Auburn figures him out? Can Jalen improve enough to where he can make plays with his hands instead of feet? Can Hurts take some chance throwing down the field? I think both can do all those things. Talented player doesn't necessary mean you'll get starting spot, as we've seen with Saban over the years. I agree that Tua is a talented player with lot of upside to his game. I do believe he will start this year. All I'm saying is don't count Jalen out. That's all I'm saying.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

But can Tua win the team over? Can he play mistake free game that Saban likes? Can Tua adjust when defense like LSU and Auburn figures him out? Can Jalen improve enough to where he can make plays with his hands instead of feet? Can Hurts take some chance throwing down the field? I think both can do all those things. Talented player doesn't necessary mean you'll get starting spot, as we've seen with Saban over the years. I agree that Tua is a talented player with lot of upside to his game. I do believe he will start this year. All I'm saying is don't count Jalen out. That's all I'm saying.

Idk the answer to all of those questions but I do know that as of the NCG and probably fall camp Tua was well past Jalen when it comes to being a QB. Unless Jalen has improved leaps and bounds in a way that most players never do, especially over such a short period, then that is still the case.

Basically, Jalen would have to be the exception to the rule if he wants to start for us again (barring injury to Tua).

 

[NationalTitles18]

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Search "Alabama QB challenge, easy pick john doe".

 

[AlexanderFan]

But can Tua win the team over? Can he play mistake free game that Saban likes? Can Tua adjust when defense like LSU and Auburn figures him out? Can Jalen improve enough to where he can make plays with his hands instead of feet? Can Hurts take some chance throwing down the field? I think both can do all those things. Talented player doesn't necessary mean you'll get starting spot, as we've seen with Saban over the years. I agree that Tua is a talented player with lot of upside to his game. I do believe he will start this year. All I'm saying is don't count Jalen out. That's all I'm saying.

According to some here, Tua has already won the team over.

Hurts didn't play mistake free football. He orchestrated a mountain of three and outs that JK bailed him out of with a magnificent punt.

You can't figure out Tua. He has quarterback tools. He reads coverages, he checks down, he looks off defenders. So far his glaring weakness is his inexperience, which can be fixed.

Some of these questions have been answered. I think Tua is a better fit to bring an efficient passing attack to this offense



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[JustNeedMe81]

According to some here, Tua has already won the team over.

Hurts didn't play mistake free football. He orchestrated a mountain of three and outs that JK bailed him out of with a magnificent punt.

You can't figure out Tua. He has quarterback tools. He reads coverages, he checks down, he looks off defenders. So far his glaring weakness is his inexperience, which can be fixed.

Some of these questions have been answered. I think Tua is a better fit to bring an efficient passing attack to this offense



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If he has won over the team, then why do we have a qb competition? Why is Saban telling the media of lately that both QB must win over the team with leadership? Why not Saban come out and say Tua is the man?

I'm talking about turnovers.. not 3 and outs.

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[Bamabuzzard]

But can Tua win the team over? Can he play mistake free game that Saban likes? Can Tua adjust when defense like LSU and Auburn figures him out? Can Jalen improve enough to where he can make plays with his hands instead of feet? Can Hurts take some chance throwing down the field? I think both can do all those things. Talented player doesn't necessary mean you'll get starting spot, as we've seen with Saban over the years. I agree that Tua is a talented player with lot of upside to his game. I do believe he will start this year. All I'm saying is don't count Jalen out. That's all I'm saying.

I think this happened around the time we played aTm. If you put any credibility into the reports that came out after the NCG it seems the team was sold on Tua as "their" quarterback around this part of the season. Regarding mistake free games by the quarterback. I don't think Saban expects a literal mistake free game from his quarterback. It's the types of mistakes that drive him nuts. Almost every player on that field will make a mistake at some point during the game. Jalen's common mistake that showed up in almost every game against a halfway decent defense was the inability to read the defense and make the right read. It killed us and we had more three and outs than necessary. It put a ton of stress on the defense.

 

[Intl.Aperture]

If he has won over the team, then why do we have a qb competition? Why is Saban telling the media of lately that both QB must win over the team with leadership? Why not Saban come out and say Tua is the man?

I'm talking about turnovers.. not 3 and outs.

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So Jalen doesn't transfer. Also because competition, or the idea of a legitimate competition ensures that both players do everything they can to improve, which benefits the team. If both Jalen and Tua think there is a 50/50 chance they could sit on the bench then they will do everything they can to become the better player, which makes the team better for it. Additionally, why guarantee that 1 of your QB's transfers over the summer when you can have a 50/50 chance of retaining them for the season by having an ongoing competition?

It would be silly to eliminate a player who could have some use to the team just for the sake of giving all the #1 reps to another player. That's really all that this competition is costing the team at this point.

 

[Intl.Aperture]

I think this happened around the time we played aTm. If you put any credibility into the reports that came out after the NCG it seems the team was sold on Tua as "their" quarterback around this part of the season. Regarding mistake free games by the quarterback. I don't think Saban expects a literal mistake free game from his quarterback. It's the types of mistakes that drive him nuts. Almost every player on that field will make a mistake at some point during the game. Jalen's common mistake that showed up in almost every game against a halfway decent defense was the inability to read the defense and make the right read. It killed us and we had more three and outs than necessary. It put a ton of stress on the defense.

lol. I think he does. I think he has an expectation that each player have zero flaws.

But I take your meaning. All sin is not equal, some mistakes are more egregious than others.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

So Jalen doesn't transfer. Also because competition, or the idea of a legitimate competition ensures that both players do everything they can to improve, which benefits the team. If both Jalen and Tua think there is a 50/50 chance they could sit on the bench then they will do everything they can to become the better player, which makes the team better for it. Additionally, why guarantee that 1 of your QB's transfers over the summer when you can have a 50/50 chance of retaining them for the season by having an ongoing competition?

It would be silly to eliminate a player who could have some use to the team just for the sake of giving all the #1 reps to another player. That's really all that this competition is costing the team at this point.

How is it costing the team? I'm just curious..... I mean this isn't LSU or Ole miss situation......

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