Alabama QBs in 2024, II

[spidermayin]

For someone who supposedly has elite athleticism, Milroe just stands there and takes a lot of sacks.

I've always thought that about Milroe. He's the most clumsy looking athletic person I've seen. There are some guys that look like they're gliding out there and make it look effortless. But, when Milroe is trying to make a play, it definitely looks awkward alot of times. I really hope he worked on his pocket awareness in the offseason.

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

Let's just hope that the defense doesn't revert back to the Petey Golding days, or it might not matter who is the QB.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Both Bond and Law WILL play in the NFL and at least one (possibly both) will be taken on day 1 of the draft. Milroe contributed enough to the issues last season that just saying "if he would have had so and so" would not have made up the gap. We don't have to agree but that's where I fall on the topic. His misreads and sack taking made our wr's look irrelevant.

I never said having other players would have done anything. I just said Coker very clearly was in a better situation than Milroe. But it seems silly to think it wouldn't have helped to have a more consistent center and LT. Plus having Henry in his Heisman season where he ran for 2k yards and Kiffin as OC.

As for Bond and Law. Maybe they will. We'll see. Law has under 300 career yards. And Bond has under 900 career yards. Ridley had more than that every year but 1 of his career here including a year with Hurts at QB where he threw for 800 fewer yards than Milroe threw for last year. Neither of those 2 players have done enough to be considered on Ridley's level IMO especially Law.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I never said having other players would have done anything. I just said Coker very clearly was in a better situation than Milroe. But it seems silly to think it wouldn't have helped to have a more consistent center and LT. Plus having Henry in his Heisman season where he ran for 2k yards and Kiffin as OC.

As for Bond and Law. Maybe they will. We'll see. Law has under 300 career yards. And Bond has under 900 career yards. Ridley had more than that every year but 1 of his career here including a year with Hurts at QB where he threw for 800 fewer yards than Milroe threw for last year. Neither of those 2 players have done enough to be considered on Ridley's level IMO especially Law.

And that is my exact point. Them only having minimal yardage isn't all their fault. Milroe played a big role in them not having the yardage to match their potential. He missed A LOT of open receivers that would have resulted in big plays. Took god knows how many sacks with open wr's in front of him. The film clearly showed that. So their lack of yardage was not their fault.

 

[81usaf92]

Jalen Milroe 2023 passing stats

2,834 yards, 187 of 284 for 65.8% completion. 23 touchdowns, 6 ints, yds/att - 10, long - 79 yards.

Jake Coker 2015 passing stats

3,110 yards, 263 of 393 for 66.9% completion. 21 touchdowns, 8 ints
Yds/att - 7.9,

So you are comparing him to a 1 year college player who never made a NFL roster? yet everyone that is supporting Milroe to fullest degree is hyping him as a first round talent and a Heisman contender... Seems like an odd comparison.

Coker had Cam Robinson at LT, Ryan Kelly at C, Ridley at WR, OJ Howard at TE, and King Henry at RB. He also had Kiffin at OC and Kirby was the DC. He was definitely in a better situation than Milroe was last year. No question.

However, Coker also threw for 300+ yards and 2TDs vs Clemson in the NCG and 286 and 2TDs vs Michigan State.

You do realize that Kirby did us no favors vs Clemson and Coker and Kiffin were the heroes of that National Championship.

Also as far as talent around him.... Right now its hard to tell although I would say the one huge thing going in Milroe's favor is that the best RB on the team was behind 3 guys on the depth chart. Aside from Henry and Ridley Coker really didnt have much else going for him. Sure you can lump Stewart, Kelly, and Howard in if you want but lets face it OJ was hardly used and Stewart was an average receiver. Milroe has probably a far better receiving group than Coker did. Bonds, Burton, Hale, and Nihlblack. TBH Coker's go to in critical areas was Mulaney not Ridley.

I actually think Coker is a little overrated. Love him though. I do agree Coker was the better passer and pointed out he had 2TDs in both playoff games along with throwing for 300 yards vs Clemson.

But the situations they were put in were not comparable. I will say we did have RT woes in 2015 but it wasn't as bad as LT last year especially when you add in snapping issues.

IDK Coker made far quicker decisions than Milroe ever did last year. Everyone will forever remember Milroe's hail mary to Billy Joe to beat Auburn but had that not happened everyone would be talking about all the points he left on the field by refusing to make a decision to run. We got like 3 linemen down field calls and numerous negative plays because Milroe wants to strike up the band with his arm so much. We can blame the offensive line until the cows come home but at some point you have to admit a good portion of the blame is Milroe not making quick decisions. Coker never tried to be something he is not, and that is probably is the major difference. Milroe wants to be Tom Brady when he should be Jalen Milroe. I think his shortcomings as a passer really do bother him so much so that he is constantly worried what some scout or person on X thinks and it affects his game.

If Deboer can find a way to simplify the game for Milroe I think we can win alot of games and have a shot at a NC. His talent is unquestionable but how he uses it can be the difference between a repeat of last year's struggles and a guy that is truly living up to his potential.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

And that is my exact point. Them only having minimal yardage isn't all their fault. Milroe played a big role in them not having the yardage to match their potential. He missed A LOT of open receivers that would have resulted in big plays. Took god knows how many sacks with open wr's in front of him. The film clearly showed that. So their lack of yardage was not their fault.

Ridley had more yards with a freshman Hurts who threw for fewer yards than Milroe. There is no argument here IMO

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

You do realize that Kirby did us no favors vs Clemson and Coker and Kiffin were the heroes of that National Championship.

Also as far as talent around him.... Right now its hard to tell although I would say the one huge thing going in Milroe's favor is that the best RB on the team was behind 3 guys on the depth chart. Aside from Henry and Ridley Coker really didnt have much else going for him. Sure you can lump Stewart, Kelly, and Howard in if you want but lets face it OJ was hardly used and Stewart was an average receiver. Milroe has probably a far better receiving group than Coker did. Bonds, Burton, Hale, and Nihlblack. TBH Coker's go to in critical areas was Mulaney not Ridley.


IDK Coker made far quicker decisions than Milroe ever did last year. Everyone will forever remember Milroe's hail mary to Billy Joe to beat Auburn but had that not happened everyone would be talking about all the points he left on the field by refusing to make a decision to run. We got like 3 linemen down field calls and numerous negative plays because Milroe wants to strike up the band with his arm so much. We can blame the offensive line until the cows come home but at some point you have to admit a good portion of the blame is Milroe not making quick decisions. Coker never tried to be something he is not, and that is probably is the major difference. Milroe wants to be Tom Brady when he should be Jalen Milroe. I think his shortcomings as a passer really do bother him so much so that he is constantly worried what some scout or person on X thinks and it affects his game.

If Deboer can find a way to simplify the game for Milroe I think we can win alot of games and have a shot at a NC. His talent is unquestionable but how he uses it can be the difference between a repeat of last year's struggles and a guy that is truly living up to his potential.

On Kirby, sure whatever but he's still a very good DC. And to be clear I am not saying Milroe is a better passer than senior year Coker. I'm just saying his supporting cast was better.

At worst OJ Howard is equivalent to Nihblack. Hale barely played and I have a very hard time believing that Milroe cumulatively had better WRs than Ridley, Stewart and OJ. At worst you could stretch and call them even maybe. But there isn't a whole lot to support that outside of some pretty massive projection.

And again Kiffin > Reese by a huge margin, Henry > any back that played significant snaps last year by a huge margin and Ryan Kelly > Seth by a huge margin. Cam Rob > freshman Proctor by a good bit especially early season and vs Michigan when hurt.

I am NOT saying Milroe > Coker but it's undeniable that Coker was in a better situation. Again Coker did throw for 300 yards and 2TDs vs Clemson. Milroe did not play well vs Michigan. But idk how anyone can argue with a straight face that Coker didn't have the better offensive team around him. There's just no serious argument for Milroe's cast over Coker IMO

 

[B1GTide]

On Kirby, sure whatever but he's still a very good DC. And to be clear I am not saying Milroe is a better passer than senior year Coker. I'm just saying his supporting cast was better.

At worst OJ Howard is equivalent to Nihblack. Hale barely played and I have a very hard time believing that Milroe cumulatively had better WRs than Ridley, Stewart and OJ. At worst you could stretch and call them even maybe. But there isn't a whole lot to support that outside of some pretty massive projection.

And again Kiffin > Reese by a huge margin, Henry > any back that played significant snaps last year by a huge margin and Ryan Kelly > Seth by a huge margin. Cam Rob > freshman Proctor by a good bit especially early season and vs Michigan when hurt.

I am NOT saying Milroe > Coker but it's undeniable that Coker was in a better situation. Again Coker did throw for 300 yards and 2TDs vs Clemson. Milroe did not play well vs Michigan. But idk how anyone can argue with a straight face that Coker didn't have the better offensive team around him. There's just no serious argument for Milroe's cast over Coker IMO

That game was won by superior coaching. Saban and Kiffin totally outcoached Dabo and Venables.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

That game was won by superior coaching. Saban and Kiffin totally outcoached Dabo and Venables.

I don't disagree

 

[81usaf92]

On Kirby, sure whatever but he's still a very good DC. And to be clear I am not saying Milroe is a better passer than senior year Coker. I'm just saying his supporting cast was better.

At worst OJ Howard is equivalent to Nihblack. Hale barely played and I have a very hard time believing that Milroe cumulatively had better WRs than Ridley, Stewart and OJ. At worst you could stretch and call them even maybe. But there isn't a whole lot to support that outside of some pretty massive projection.

And again Kiffin > Reese by a huge margin, Henry > any back that played significant snaps last year by a huge margin and Ryan Kelly > Seth by a huge margin. Cam Rob > freshman Proctor by a good bit especially early season and vs Michigan when hurt.

I am NOT saying Milroe > Coker but it's undeniable that Coker was in a better situation. Again Coker did throw for 300 yards and 2TDs vs Clemson. Milroe did not play well vs Michigan. But idk how anyone can argue with a straight face that Coker didn't have the better offensive team around him. There's just no serious argument for Milroe's cast over Coker IMO

Coker had a better offensive team because of Henry. Ridley is probably one of the more overrated first rounders that we had as far as receivers go. Stewart was a serviceable receiver. OJ really wasn’t a huge threat mostly because we rarely used him. As far as the linemen go… how the hell should we know. Booker, McLaughlin, and Proctor had 2 mediocre running backs running for them and a quarterback who reads too slow going against them. If there is one area last year in which we clearly had the wrong guy starting it was running back. Had Haynes been our starting running back or our #2 we probably are waltzing to a championship even with a flawed quarterback and an up and down offensive line. Which if you want a positive spin to things…. Feels alot like 2014. Our offensive line was up and down, our quarterback had experience limitations, and the wrong running back was starting. Guess what happens the next year….

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Ridley had more yards with a freshman Hurts who threw for fewer yards than Milroe. There is no argument here IMO

I agree

 

[BamaMoon]

I was comparing passing stats. Nothing else.

And that's what I was responding to.

Average passing yards for those two years.

 

[BamaMoon]

I really, really enjoyed the break on the Jalen conversation but it is back.

I am not going to predict he is going to suck like some of you are predicting.

They start practicing next week I think.

I must have missed the post predicting he'll "suck."

Wondering out loud if he can improve in a short time isn't a prediction he'll "suck." Actually, it's a position based on prior results that were lacking.

But for the record, I'm just for the guy that can play the best ball at the QB position. If that's JM I'm rooting for him to be much improved!

 

[TiderJack]

They start practicing next week I think.

I must have missed the post predicting he'll "suck."

Wondering out loud if he can improve in a short time isn't a prediction he'll "suck." Actually, it's a position based on prior results that were lacking.

But for the record, I'm just for the guy that can play the best ball at the QB position. If that's JM I'm rooting for him to be much improved!

We know you have your doubts since I see your wondering out loud thoughts repeatedly when you critique JM's game. Not a lot of positive but I know you are not the only one who feels this way. Can't wait for practice to start and we begin the season.

 

[AlBamaWagg]

"If Deboer can find a way to simplify the game for Milroe I think we can win alot of games and have a shot at a NC."

Isn't this exactly what the 2023 Alabama team actually did?

 

[BamaMoon]

We know you have your doubts since I see your wondering out loud thoughts repeatedly when you critique JM's game. Not a lot of positive but I know you are not the only one who feels this way. Can't wait for practice to start and we begin the season.

I was responding to a poster who compared JM to Jake Coker's passing stats. I don't think that comparison props up JM very well.

I'm basing my comments/thoughts on what I saw last year. I've never said he "sucked" and I've never said I hope he fails. I've said many times I'm hoping he has improved (as well as TS).

It sounds like he's putting in the work this summer so we'll get to see if he's really improved.

 

[TiderJack]

I was responding to a poster who compared JM to Jake Coker's passing stats. I don't think that comparison props up JM very well.

I'm basing my comments/thoughts on what I saw last year. I've never said he "sucked" and I've never said I hope he fails. I've said many times I'm hoping he has improved (as well as TS).

It sounds like he's putting in the work this summer so we'll get to see if he's really improved.

And I am basing on what I saw last year based on the second half of the season which is not as critical as your opinion. We all see things differently and I hope he continues playing like he did later in the year and improving with DeBoer's offensive style.

 

[davefrat]

"If Deboer can find a way to simplify the game for Milroe I think we can win alot of games and have a shot at a NC."

Isn't this exactly what the 2023 Alabama team actually did?

I don’t think DeBoer will simplify his offense for Milroe, but he will adjust it to his skill set.

I would be really surprised if he dumbs things down rather than change horses.

 

[Cruloc]

Milroe will either be successful or he won't.

You're welcome.

 

[Ledsteplin]

"If Deboer can find a way to simplify the game for Milroe I think we can win alot of games and have a shot at a NC."

Isn't this exactly what the 2023 Alabama team actually did?

Simplify? Jalen is a smart guy. CKD will tailor plays to his strengths, just as he would with any quarterback. Mainly using his run abilities, along with his passing.