Bama getting no respect

[CoolBreeze]

A lot of football left to be played. We are on a collision course for the SEC championship game against undefeated UGA. We win and are are in. I like our chances.

 

[BamaInBham]

This is incorrect.

What's funny is everyone focuses on "Georgia dropped the game" and forgets all about Tennessee - because this discussion has nothing to do with who plays whom and everything to do with discrediting Georgia.

Simply not true, the primary reason is that Tennessee is not in the CFP discussion.

Btw, IMO, UGA usually is one of the better OOC schedulers in the country and this years' "issue" is not their fault - it was "directed" by the SEC. Their situation was different than the Alabama/Texas set, which was completed before the UTx entrance into the conference.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

2) The committee has been consistent. You have just hated the idea too much to see it. They always take the path of least resistance and only use SOS and SOR in matters when they are forced. They have done it since 2014 and aside from 2014 and 2015 they have picked the right 4 teams in every time. Something the BCS failed to do in far more instances in a comparable timeframe.

The ultimate purpose of the committee is to maximize profits and limiting certain teams from access to the cfp. It’s not this nefarious mission to screw Alabama and reward lesser conferences. Really the reason that warranted their existence is for how increasingly close the BCS was getting to having a G5 champ playing in a NCG

Yea I do actually agree with this. They are consistent in that they seem to rank trying to get the least amount of pushback overall. And admittedly this is a kind of weird year. I bet they are hoping it all works out in an obvious way which it very well might.

 

[KrAzY3]

to have Bama fans argue against it only to make the same argument the other way last year shows that the fans are far more inconsistent than the committee.

For the record, yes I do realize...

Which fans? I know I never said Alabama should be ranked #4, because that would actually be the same argument. In fact the only thing I specifically said is that Oregon shouldn't be ahead of Alabama. Oregon, the team with the same number of losses but has only played two teams with a winning record.

I'm comparing a one loss team to a one loss team, not a two loss team to an undefeated team. Someone can dislike a beverage being too hot and also dislike it being too cold.

 

[colbysullivan]

I would not put it past Kirby to “lose on purpose” to Ole Miss specifically because of this. Our only chance to make the playoffs is by beating an undefeated UGA.

Guys, blue font lol

 

[TideEngineer08]

This is incorrect.

SEC directs Georgia, Tennessee to nix OU series

Given Oklahoma's upcoming move to the SEC, along with Texas', the SEC announced on Wednesday it directed Georgia and Tennessee to postpone their series with the Sooners.

www.espn.com

The SEC announced Wednesday that it "directed" Georgia and Tennessee to "postpone" scheduled games with Oklahoma because the Sooners are on their way to the SEC.


What's funny is everyone focuses on "Georgia dropped the game" and forgets all about Tennessee - because this discussion has nothing to do with who plays whom and everything to do with discrediting Georgia.

I don’t care either way. But the SEC did not require them to do this…

I distinctly remember reading that Oklahoma wanted to play the game anyway. I’ll see if I can find it.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I don’t care either way. But the SEC did not require them to do this…

I distinctly remember reading that Oklahoma wanted to play the game anyway. I’ll see if I can find it.

"The Southeastern Conference has directed the University of Georgia and the University of Tennessee to postpone scheduled football games versus Oklahoma because the transition of Oklahoma into the SEC will not allow for the involved institutions to fulfill their respective contractual non-conference home-and-home appearance obligations."

SEC Announces Georgia, Tennessee Schedule Adjustments - Southeastern Conference

SEC Announces Adjustments To Georgia and Tennessee Football Schedules

www.secsports.com

 

[ajxx_cfb]

Who should we be ranked above? #8 seems reasonable at this point.

We just need to win out, beginning with this weekend.

Oregon atleast, we have a better resume and a tougher strength of schedule than them.

 

[TideEngineer08]

"The Southeastern Conference has directed the University of Georgia and the University of Tennessee to postpone scheduled football games versus Oklahoma because the transition of Oklahoma into the SEC will not allow for the involved institutions to fulfill their respective contractual non-conference home-and-home appearance obligations."

SEC Announces Georgia, Tennessee Schedule Adjustments - Southeastern Conference

SEC Announces Adjustments To Georgia and Tennessee Football Schedules

www.secsports.com

Well I stand corrected. I would have sworn I read that the true story was it was ultimately Georgia that pulled the plug.

Maybe I just hate Georgia too much? Is that possible?

 

[dayhiker]

1) Win your games
2) Or don't complain
3) And oh yeah, quit wasting time worrying about a worthless poll with a month to go, too.

 

[SkullDuckery]

They canned a system (BCS) that never got 1 & 2 wrong. That was so they could all get together and admire their own intellect while living high on the hog on the tax payer dime in plush hotel's, as most of these institutions are public. They could have used the BSC ranking system for the 4 and 12 team playoff.

 

[tidefan39817]

This is the truth.

And I do not believe they want Alabama in the playoff. I'm not making a conspiracy claim. I'm going off basic human nature and most of the country is just tired of us. Last year was a breath of fresh air for them. It is what it is and I didn't think so at first but now it seems clear that we will need some help. We need some of these teams in front of us to lose.

how can they hold the Alabama Invitational without Alabama????

 

[KrAzY3]

Maybe I just hate Georgia too much? Is that possible?

That's impossible.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

If Alabama wins out and beats an undefeated GA team in the SECCG then you would only be left out if there are 3 undefeated conference champions ahead of you plus a one loss TX team with a redemption win over OU. You really should be pulling for GA against Ole Miss this week.

I should....

But I can't and I won't

 

[crimsonaudio]

Maybe I just hate Georgia too much? Is that possible?

 

[TexasBama]

Here is the composition of the committee, which explains a lot. If it's close, we're hosed.

ADs from Kentucky, Nevada (Chris Ault, also former coach) NC St, Navy, Michigan, Miami of Ohio, KState, and Virginia Union
Former Coaches - Jim Grobe and Ault
Former player - Will Shields
Businessman - VP from Entergy
Professor - Montclair State

 

[Windsortide]

We win out we will be in. There is plenty of losing out there to still happen. Some nasty presidents were established last year to keep the only team Georgia did not want to see out. One team lost in their championship game and another was blown out on the final game of the season and they were allowed in the playoffs.

 

[dWarriors88]

I still kinda want to see Lane Kiffin beat UGA, despite it hurting our playoff chances

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The SEC vs SEC NC was never the issue driving the playoff into existence. It was 1) TV ratings and 2) the growing possibility that we would see a G5 team make it into the championship game under the BCS

And Congress threatening to hold anti-trust hearings because Joe Barton was mad over Texas losing out to Oklahoma in 2008.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

They canned a system (BCS) that never got 1 & 2 wrong.

2003 Oklahoma in the national title game was a disgusting joke. That was year #6 of the BCS, and it pretty well shot the credibility of the entire thing.

People here want to say that when a team is selected and AFTER they are selected they get smoked by 58 points in the final game that somehow proves the system is bad don't get to turn right around and say a system that chose a team that lost its conference title game by 28 points to a 3-loss also-ran while being touted the greatest team ever assembled was somehow better.

Again, I HAVE defended the BCS as not as bad as the constant whining about it was, covered it in detail in a series of posts here on Tidefans and tried to write objectively.

Florida State DID lose to Miami in 2000...by 3 points on the road...but they had a much stronger SOS and oh yeah....Miami wanted to pretend head-to-head didn't matter when they lost by more at home to one-loss Washington.

The 2001 debacle of Nebraska only happened because the Colorad-Wazzu game got cancelled because of the 9/11 attacks. I can't really blame the BCS for that.

My only beef with 2004 was some here (note: I am NOT referring to krazy, folks, before anyone thinks that) tried to say Auburn had no case because of their SOS and even said if Alabama was in the same situation they'd make the same argument, which is nonsense. But it was hard to argue against USC or OU, too.

In all honesty, 2003 was the only absolute screw-up the BCS really had, but that's like saying the Dallas motorcade was fine except for that little shooting incident down by the School Book Depository. It was so bad by itself that it rendered the rest of the argument moot. Now don't get me wrong: MUCH of the anti-BCS argument was unadulterated nonsense and usually stemmed from someone being upset their team didn't make it and appealing to whatever data put that team in.

You know......the exact same thing that happens now that we have four teams and will happen with 12 and will happen when we have a December Delirium version of March Madness.

That was so they could all get together and admire their own intellect while living high on the hog on the tax payer dime in plush hotel's, as most of these institutions are public. They could have used the BSC ranking system for the 4 and 12 team playoff.

The committee has not made a single wrong selection.
Given the fact they're choosing twice as many teams as the BCS was, that's pretty damned good.

The problem everyone has with them is that they will use an argument for a team one week and then use the exact opposite argument the next week for the same team. Of course, the BCS computer never spoke up and said why things happened, but if they had, it would have been ridiculousd and we all would have laughed.



Remember that 2003 example I cited above? Do you recall what exactly happened? It's one of the most insane things you'll ever see.

Heading into the final weekend, it looked as if everyone won then USC was going to play Oklahoma and LSU was going to be on the outside looking in. Oklahoma was all but assured because every other team in the polls that was a contender had at least two losses, so Oklahoma was not going to drop lower than third in the human polls anyway.

Here's the rankings in the next-to-last poll:
1) Oklahoma
2) USC
3) LSU

And then the following happened:

1) USC killed Oregon St, 52-28
2) LSU smashed Georgia, 34-13
3) OU got blown off the field by Darren Sproles and K-State, 35-7 (it felt worse)

At that point, USC moved to the top of both the AP and coaches poll, and everyone assumed they would meet OU anyway.

but then...

4) Boise State beat Hawaii, 45-28
5) Syracuse killed Notre Dame, 38-12

And it dropped USC's SOS below LSU's so guess what?
LSU played Oklahoma. Yes, Oklahoma.


And folks, you can give me all the excuses you want, but that debacle was the end of the BCS. The rest was just time passing until they decided to do something.

I'm sorry, but you can't
a) have the #1 team in the country lose by FOUR TDs to a 3-loss team
b) STAY #1
c) and expect me to think your poll means jack squat

People rightly - and I was one of them - pointed out the CFP was playing a joke on us by leaving TCU at #3 after they lost to K-State last year. It was insane.

But it wasn't as insane as a #1 team getting blown out and staying #1 "because that's the system we agreed to play."

FWIW, I also thought the pro-BCS folks didn't do a very good job of selling their product and its POSITIVE aspects. They were drowned out by the mob with additional evidence, of which 2003 was just the most obvious problem. But a lot of non-problems got glommed onto 2003 and made it sound worse than it was, too.