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[bayoutider]

So was he surfing the Tide fan forums on company time, or not?

That's not an issue its not like he has his own office and secretary he's a student.

 

[Hamilton]

I also agree that it's a horrible idea. That is not our place and this is not an offense so bad as to attempt to impact a man's livelihood. We're talking about posting copyrighted photos, not offering to be a secret witness.

I agree, but if TideFans takes a hit because of the mods having to be overzealous about photos being posted, I would say Alex's actions did negatively impact Brett's livelihood.

 

[uafan4life]

I agree, but if TideFans takes a hit because of the mods having to be overzealous about photos being posted, I would say Alex's actions did negatively impact Brett's livelihood.

If the money brought in from Tidefans is Brett's livelihood, then he's in trouble. Seriously, we'd better hope that it never becomes his livelihood, 'cause then we'd be shelling out a few bucks a year to be a member.

Oh, and I'm not Alex's best friend. I've never met him. I just know that what he did didn't deserve the treatment he got and that acting like bratty children is a horrible idea.

It doesn't make any sense, as it accomplishes nothing except making yourself look like a childish brat. "Whaaaa, I don't like what he did, I want to pitch a fit and get him fired even though he did what his boss told him to do."

Really? You really think that's a good idea?

 

[bayoutider]

If the money brought in from Tidefans is Brett's livelihood, then he's in trouble. Seriously, we'd better hope that it never becomes his livelihood, 'cause then we'd be shelling out a few bucks a year to be a member.

Oh, and I'm not Alex's best friend. I've never met him. I just know that what he did didn't deserve the treatment he got and that acting like bratty children is a horrible idea.

It doesn't make any sense, as it accomplishes nothing except making yourself look like a childish brat. "Whaaaa, I don't like what he did, I want to pitch a fit and get him fired even though he did what his boss told him to do."

Really? You really think that's a good idea?

Got an idea for you. Don't call anyone a childish brat and I won't call you banned for life.

 

[RedStar]

If the money brought in from Tidefans is Brett's livelihood, then he's in trouble. Seriously, we'd better hope that it never becomes his livelihood, 'cause then we'd be shelling out a few bucks a year to be a member.

Oh, and I'm not Alex's best friend. I've never met him. I just know that what he did didn't deserve the treatment he got and that acting like bratty children is a horrible idea.

It doesn't make any sense, as it accomplishes nothing except making yourself look like a childish brat. "Whaaaa, I don't like what he did, I want to pitch a fit and get him fired even though he did what his boss told him to do."

Really? You really think that's a good idea?

I still don't understand why you're taking his side. When you're wrong, you're wrong. Be a bigger man and admit it. I've said it before and I'll say it again: There's usually a reason the majority is the majority. You are defending the the unrepentant, what do you expect? Why even stick your neck out for this guy? What are you gaining from it?

 

[uafan4life]

Got an idea for you. Don't call anyone a childish brat and I won't call you banned for life.

Deal.

I still don't understand why you're taking his side. When you're wrong, you're wrong. Be a bigger man and admit it. I've said it before and I'll say it again: There's usually a reason the majority is the majority. You are defending the the unrepentant, what do you expect? Why even stick your neck out for this guy? What are you gaining from it?

There is a reason. The reason is that the majority doesn't like the outcome, and that has skewed the balance of thought. That and many posters appear to be making brash and immature statements while also appearing to be misunderstanding what the email actually means. That's why you have all of the "can I post any Bama pictures at all" posts. It's been blown waaaaay out of proportion. It's not really, as far as it affects the average poster, that big of a deal. I can't remember the last time I posted a pic from a U of A site. I'd bet most of the posters in this thread whining about the email can't either. You just have to find other web sites to garner pics from, or use your own or ones you get from other posters. There are plenty out there.

Is it an extreme, unnecessary measure? Yes. Is it a bad idea and likely to hurt the official U of A sites rather than help them? Yes. Is it a knee jerk reaction to a problem that doesn't really address the actual problem? Yes. Is whining about it and yelling and calling people names and trying to get people fired going to do anything at all to change it? Not a snowballs chance in Hades.

If his boss did read this thread in its entirety, the odds are much less likely that Alex got in trouble. He's a college kid. His boss is used to working with college kids and understand the attitudes and immaturity that is bound to occur, and likely doesn't hold them to the same standard that managers in non-academic settings hold to their employees who have already made a career for themselves. You know what would most likely be the result of his boss reading this entire thread? He would caution him about being brash and responding in the manner that he did, and probably advise him not to reveal himself as a contributor to the situation in the future, if another such incident occurred. He would also have fully cemented in his mind the idea that the policy is a good idea and is necessary, specifically on this site, as a result of the obvious disregard for the University displayed in the attitudes and comments of the people in this thread.

 

[GoBamaJags]

Wow! I didn't know that posting a picture on a non pay site from a non pay site that said non pay site freely puts up on public display was hurting our beloved University!

But...OK.

Hey Brett, why don't we put up links to these pics so we can all log on here and go there. That way ya'll get credit for the re directs like you do when I log on here and click the link to go to Amazon!

Ya'll click on some links!!!!!!!!!:biggrin::BigA::biggrin2:

 

[bayoutider]

What this whole debacle caused is extra work for us and create an extra long thread laced with some good and some not so good posts, a few bordering on stupid. Its probably about time to put this thread to sleep.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Its probably about time to put this thread to sleep.

Please keep it up just a little longer, if not for us do it for the dog.:BigA:

 

[JohnnyCache]

You'd do it for Randolph Scott.

 

[GulfCoastTider]

The overarching problem--some people treat the internet as if everything on it is free for the taking. If it's on the net, it must be free, right? Music... pictures... video... books... Whatever. It's on the net. It's free. I can do whatever I want with it, right?

"I'm an internet user. And I have internet user rights, by God!"

 

[CapstoneTider]

The overarching problem--some people treat the internet as if everything on it is free for the taking. If it's on the net, it must be free, right? Music... pictures... video... books... Whatever. It's on the net. It's free. I can do whatever I want with it, right?

"I'm an internet user. And I have internet user rights, by God!"

Gross exaggeration doesn't really help anything IMO, it just frustrates.

What is your solution? It appears that it is to totally changes the way the net has operated since its inception because 1% of the content is now heavily guarded as opposed to the 99% that was meant for the public domain?

Your anger on the issue leads me to believe you are tying this in politically with people that want free handouts, welfare, unemployment, free health care. The two are not related. This is not the has against the has not's who want everything for free.

1. What is your solutions?
2. Have you ever infringed on someone's copyright? If so, you should chill on
the issue a little.

 

[Hamilton]

If the money brought in from Tidefans is Brett's livelihood, then he's in trouble. Seriously, we'd better hope that it never becomes his livelihood, 'cause then we'd be shelling out a few bucks a year to be a member.

Oh, and I'm not Alex's best friend. I've never met him. I just know that what he did didn't deserve the treatment he got and that acting like bratty children is a horrible idea.

It doesn't make any sense, as it accomplishes nothing except making yourself look like a childish brat. "Whaaaa, I don't like what he did, I want to pitch a fit and get him fired even though he did what his boss told him to do."

Really? You really think that's a good idea?

I didn't say it was his only source of income. What I said was that if the website took a hit as far as viewership is concerned because of mods having to be overzealous about pictures--maybe even having to delete pictures that are not property of UA just to be safe--then Brett's livelihood would be impacted. The money to run the site has to come from somewhere.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Wanted to add that a lot of people purchases movies (netflix) and buy downloaded music because a reasonable price point was met. But the whole issue of people rebelling and stealing intellectual property was heavily fueled by the heavy hand of the handful of conglomerates that own all the media and decided to micromanage what you could do with it once purchased with their DRM. What, when and how you can use the media you purchsed. Even the definition of ownership came into question. At first, that didn't even allow one backup. You might be able to only play this music on a player made or licensed by the company, and other related nit pick things that made your purchase feel more like a lease.

Photos are a different beast and I believe that it should be up to the owner to either watermark his photos or post wording on his site that he is protecting the work. It should not be an automatic copyright, same goes with some some other types of info on the net.

 

[GulfCoastTider]

1. What is your solutions?

2. Have you ever infringed on someone's copyright? If so, you should chill on
the issue a little.

When my teenaged daughter installed Limewire on one of our systems here, I banned her from using the net for a month. When her younger sister--also a teenager--did the same thing, I banned them both for two months.

My solution is that grownups should be in charge. The grownups are in charge of Tidefans.com, and the grownups are in charge at this household. When the grownups either fail to take control or simply don't care, then let the legal chips fall where they may.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Since I spend hours a week removing Malware from computers with my job, I would strongly suggested as a public service announcement that if you must engage, make sure you are protected and use a program called "Ares" instead of Bearshare, Limewire and such for music files. The others are loaded with phony or virus laden files.

Also, if you ever get a pop up out of the blue that says your computer is infected with so and so, and it even looks like your anti-virus, check and make sure it has the name of your AV in the top left hand corner otherwise it's just a pop up web page that shows the exact thing to everyone. It has an executable file waiting to infect your computer with what it just claimed you were infected with! And then wants you to pay to take it off.

Don't touch it or close IE by clicking out. Either hit Start/Log off(then log back one) or ctrl +alt+del and shut down iexplorer.exe that way. It works every time.

I realize also that there are a lot of techies around here

 

[RedStar]

Since I spend hours a week removing Malware from computers with my job, I would strongly suggested as a public service announcement that if you must engage, make sure you are protected and use a program called "Ares" instead of Bearshare, Limewire and such for music files. The others are loaded with phony or virus laden files.

Aww.. don't let the secret out

 

[uafan4life]

Aww.. don't let the secret out

Ares is a good, open-source alternative to those p2p programs, but there is still a danger issue there. While Ares itself is not laden with viruses and/or spyware, many of the things you download with it will be. Plus, while Ares itself has no built in automatic traffic logging and reporting, your communications can still be tracked by various means, including your ISP, tying to your IP address. Even using torrents, which are safer than p2p from a tracking standpoint, your IP and download activity can be logged if you're using a public (or unsecured private) torrent tracker. All of the above, if you're downloading illegal music and/or movies, can get you sued.

The secret, and not that I condone this, to stealing music and/or movies without getting caught is obtain the media through legal and/or untraceable means, and then make unprotected copies, and do not distribute it.

The secret as to exactly how to do that is not difficult to find; there are several programs on the net that will do those things. An easy example is to borrow your friends' cds and make copies of them. The problem there is that it's a bit of a hassle, you're limited to your friends' selections, and it's not nearly as convenient as clicking a download button.

If you want to download tons of music and listen to it legally, without breaking the bank, then use a subscription service like Napster or Rhapsody (hmm, is Rhapsody still around and doing the subscription license??). I pay about $10 a month for a Napster subscription and I can download as much music as I want, with some exception. Some artists, albums, and/or songs may be purchase only, so I either pay the extra $0.99 or just not download that song. I don't run into that too often, though. I can listen to the music on any computer, or download it to my or my wife's IPhone's or my 120GB Creative Zen. While $120 to $150 a year on music may sound like a lot, especially since you don't own most of the music you download, it's nowhere near as much as I used to spend on music. I was spending $250+ a year on music in high school, buying at least one or two cds every month.

Between Napster, Pandora, and satellite radio I can listen to pretty much anything I want to listen to, and I haven't bought a cd in years. And with the exception of a few collectors editions and such, I haven't bought a DVD in years, either. I've got Netflix, Hulu, and a RedBox a block away, so I haven't needed to buy hardly any DVDs.

I added up one time how much I was spending on music and movies during high school and college. My tuition was basically free and I had a good paying job, so money wasn't exactly tight during those times. Of course, throw in a marriage, rent, no meal plan, etc. and the money that wasn't tight felt like a noose in a hurry. Anyway, I'm spending a decent bit a year on subscription services now, but I get more than I did then and am spending less than a third of what I did then.

It's amazing how much money we spend on entertainment, when you break it out. Spending that money, though, is a lot cheaper than getting sued for stealing music and movies.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Ares is a good, open-source alternative to those p2p programs, but there is still a danger issue there.

How would you know? Did you just read that somewhere, and if so, show me the link. In three years, no bad music file in Ares, how about you?


Bad information.

 

[GPSnakeHandler]

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