Evolution vs. Creationism
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Tide and True said:
What can I say? You inspire me, COBamaFan.
It is the simple things in life huh TT? So axioms escape co. Glad we could both could play a part.
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Core truths are not physical. They are spiritual and metaphysical.blackumbrella said:
Not to a certain extent, they are seperate, but dependant while existing on this earth.
That is where you are not geting it. Core truths do not exist in me, you or anyone else. They simply exist. God reveals them to us in his own way and it is up to us to believe or disbelieve - Free will. If all mankind chooses not to believe them, this neither changes them nor destroys them. It merely destroys man. God is greater than man.
But if our knowledge of God is destroyed, that does not destroy God. If our perceptions of God change, that does not change God. It destroys and changes us. God created everything. He can do it again should he choose.
Blackumbrella said:
if god and jesus are indeed real things, something i don't know, then they were real before you were born and they'll be real when you're gone, but insofar as you have any knowledge of them, i believe that knowledge is in your brain, and is just as vulnerable to brain damage as your pin number or the name of your prom date.
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Bamalaw92 said:
But if our knowledge of God is destroyed, that does not destroy God. If our perceptions of God change, that does not change God. It destroys and changes us. God created
everything. He can do it again should he choose.
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Pretty simple concept Bamalaw. Not hard to understand. Why is it for some people?
if god and jesus are indeed real things, something i don't know, then they were real before you were born and they'll be real when you're gone, but insofar as you have any knowledge of them, i believe that knowledge is in your brain, and is just as vulnerable to brain damage as your pin number or the name of your prom date.
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Bamalaw92 said:
But if our knowledge of God is destroyed, that does not destroy God. If our perceptions of God change, that does not change God. It destroys and changes us. God created
everything. He can do it again should he choose.
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Pretty simple concept Bamalaw. Not hard to understand. Why is it for some people?
CrimsonNan said:Blackumbrella said:
if god and jesus are indeed real things, something i don't know, then they were real before you were born and they'll be real when you're gone, but insofar as you have any knowledge of them, i believe that knowledge is in your brain, and is just as vulnerable to brain damage as your pin number or the name of your prom date.
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Bamalaw92 said:
But if our knowledge of God is destroyed, that does not destroy God. If our perceptions of God change, that does not change God. It destroys and changes us. God created
everything. He can do it again should he choose.
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Pretty simple concept Bamalaw. Not hard to understand. Why is it for some people?
seems simple enough to me. are you implying that the above remarks conflict with one another? they don't. read it again
Bamalaw92 said:
i guess i don't know what you mean by core truths. could you offer some examples? to clarify--bc i really don't see how our last posts are at odds--i don't think perception can change what is being percieved, but perceptions themselves change all the time and, furthermore, can be measured empirically. our ability to take such measurements is impoving every day. also, neural events clearly affect our thoughts and feelings and beliefs--certain temporal lobe epilepsies are known to cause hyper-religiosity. i'm not saying we can sum god up with the kinds of inquiry we've been discussing, just that they'd be interesting, and we might learn something fromthem.
BU as I said a while back, If you can't grasp the concepts of Christianity, you should try harder to learn them. This cannot be done through discussion on an internet message board. God cannot be measured empirically, nor can the absence of God be proven empirically. I will leave this discussion with a quote from Paul's first letter to the Corinthians. It seems particularly appropriate to your suggestions:blackumbrella said:
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.†Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things - and the things that are not - to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God–that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.â€Â
1 Corinthians 1:18-31
May God's peace come to you one day.
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Bamalaw92 said:
very well. i enjoy the thread though and will post as my neurons come up with new stuff to talk about. i've appreciated your comments. i'll leave with this--it's tolkein i think, but i first saw it on a bumper sticker: 'all who wander are not lost'
Yes it was JRR Tolkein, a devout Catholic, attributted by many as leading his good friend and later eminent Christian scholar C.S. Lewis to Christ, who wrote that in The Lord of the Rings. It was a message left by Gandalf for Frodo with Barliman in Bree so that Frodo would recognize Aragorn as a friend. It is inapplicable to this discussion.blackumbrella said:
Bamalaw92 said:
A fitting end to a thread that went from interesting, mature, and engaging to vitriolic,childish and boring and now back again.
May God's peace come to you one day.[/QUOTE]
and to all.
It is not, but because you feel the need to finish with a personal insult rather than a lucid thought, I will try to speak the only anguage you apparently understand.............. nanny nanny boo boo!blackumbrella said:
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Bamalaw92 said:
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.
No it isn't, an argument is an intellectual process... contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
Thank you for your brilliant insight into this area of discussion.It's On A Slab said:No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.
No it isn't, an argument is an intellectual process... contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
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