Grubb to be next OC at Bama per ESPN

[Cruloc]

For one, screen passes to the RB. Matter of fact, one more screen pass to the RB on the final drive against Michigan, we win the game…..even as bad as it had been up to that point. Instead we drop Milroe back 4 straight times and expect him to read the defense and distribute the ball in a timely fashion.

Or....and hear me out here.....you bench the QB that can't play QB and bring in someone else.

Milroe....he may throw a pick 6 on a screen pass.

 

[Cruloc]

 

[AlexanderFan]

This actually provides an interesting commentary on Sheridan's career because he had Penix for two years as well. Penix has injury issues but it was about the same number of games as he had Milroe. Furthermore, Penix had starts the year before Sheridan was OC and he performed better, so his subdued production wasn't just a product of Indiana's shortcomings (their QB was great this past season by the way).

Anyway...
Under Sheridan here's the numbers
Penix: 11 games, 2,584 passing yards, 18 passing TDs, 11 INTs
Milroe: 13 games, 2844 passing yards, 16 passing TDs, 11 INTs

It's actually remarkable how similar the production of both of those guys ended up being in Sheridan's offense. Anyway, my point is I'm much more comfortable with the notion of Grubb unlocking a QB's potential than I was with the previous play caller...

Here's what Penix did in Washington immediately after his time with Sheridan:
Penix: 13 games, 4641 passing yards, 31 passing TDs, 8 INTs

Even his interceptions went down.
We can do Milroe as well, here's what he did under Rees:
13 games, 2834 passing yards, 23 passing TDs, 6 INTs

Weird how the trends all went one way... but it somehow had nothing to do with the OC.

So Sheridan took a younger Penix with Indiana talent and he performed pretty much the same as an experienced Milroe with Alabama talent?

How is this a knock on Sheridan again?

 

[AlexanderFan]

I'm using the actual passing statistics from the individual (20 and 21 combined) and from the same place you got your stats.

Look at the QB rating... notice the dip when Sheridan is OC? You'll notice a similar dip with Milroe when Sheridan was OC. If you just total up the numbers Rees and Grubb had immediately adjacent to Sheridan with Milroe and Penix, there's a staggering difference. Not exactly apples to apples, but the regression is clear and the splits show even more regression (both Penix and Milroe started off better under Sheridan then performed very poorly as time passed).

All the excuses for Sheridan aside, we know Grubb can do well with a QB. We don't know that with Sheridan because it's nothing but excuses, no QB has ever done well with Sheridan as their OC. I'll take a proven commodity over someone that only has excuses for poor performances.

Rees rating with Milroe: 172
Sheridan rating with Milroe: 148

Things just never go Sheridan's way, poor guy.

Just seems like you’re making excuses for Milroe is all.

 

[countrytider]

Or....and hear me out here.....you bench the QB that can't play QB and bring in someone else.

Milroe....he may throw a pick 6 on a screen pass.

He does on a WR screen such as the one in the OU game. As far as I know we only called one RB screen against Mich on the final drive and Jam almost took it to the house. One more would have done it. At least in the Michigan game.

 

[81usaf92]

Let's actually look at tMilroe's numbers under Rees and Sheridan, ALL of them.

Passing:
Rees: 13 games, 2834 passing yards, 23 passing TDs, 6 INTs
Sheridan: 13 games, 2844 passing yards, 16 passing TDs, 11 INTs

Rushing:
Rees: 13 games, 531 yards, 12 TD's
Sheridan: 13 games, 726, 20 TD's

Total TD's
Rees: 13 games, 35 TD's
Sheridan: 13 games, 36 TD's

Under BOTH Rees and Sheridan Milroe was responsible for the same amount of TD's. Taking into consideration Milroe's total production (both passing and rushing) under Rees and Sheridan, the difference in passing td's and int's isn't material enough to say Rees "did more" with Milroe.

I think you're involved in a debate that's not being had. No one is saying Sheridan was/is a "good" OC and he didn't have any blind spots. What's being said is the limitations of the quarterback were so severe that Sheridan nor any OC not named Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian or Chip Kelly could overcome to materially change the performance of the position/player (Jalen Milroe). Sure, you've got people saying they don't think they can truly assess Sheridan due to the limitations of the QB. But I don't see anyone on here saying he's a good, very good, or great OC.

The evidence is clear, under two different OC's Jalen Milroe's offensive production was in the same ballpark. Were his stats "EXACTLY" the same, no, but not enough difference to start saying or implying that Sheridan was the bigger problem or just as much of the problem. Josh Pate didn't say Alabama was held hostage by the OC. He said Alabama was held hostage by the QB. Milroe's post-Senior Bowl draft stock plummet and scouting notes back his statement up as well.

Something to point out, Sheridan wasn't at the Senior Bowl when Milroe was throwing picks, fumbling, grossly missing wr's and running out of bounds before reaching the first down mark. Who we blaming that on?

Im reminded of the old NFL proverb… “Anyone can look like a genius OC with Tom Brady as your quarterback but few could with Jamarcus Russell”.

The problem is obvious… we had a quarterback issue that 3 OCs had no idea how to fix. We can cherry pick stats to support which one did better but ultimately aside from some weird bounces here and there 23 and 24 were basically the same years.

 

[Tidewater]

What made the Stuarts monarchs to the Tudors?
What caused the collapse of the Western Roman Empire?
Those are in the past.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Season before last, then.

Rees couldn't do anything with him either.

The point is that JM really handicapped our offense, no matter who the OC is...

 

[davefrat]

He does on a WR screen such as the one in the OU game. As far as I know we only called one RB screen against Mich on the final drive and Jam almost took it to the house. One more would have done it. At least in the Michigan game.

We could have lined up Kadyn Proctor at QB against MI for all I cared.

That was the most meaningless game I can remember since probably the Dubose era.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

For one, screen passes to the RB. Matter of fact, one more screen pass to the RB on the final drive against Michigan, we win the game…..even as bad as it had been up to that point. Instead we drop Milroe back 4 straight times and expect him to read the defense and distribute the ball in a timely fashion.

You are assuming that Milroe would have thrown an accurate pass to our RB and not to Meechigun...

Remember, Meechigan pretty much knew what the play was because JM was tipping it off.

 

[The Ols]

You are assuming that Milroe would have thrown an accurate pass to the RB...

It’s funny because it’s true!!!

 

[gtgilbert]

I'm using the actual passing statistics from the individual (20 and 21 combined) and from the same place you got your stats.

Look at the QB rating... notice the dip when Sheridan is OC? You'll notice a similar dip with Milroe when Sheridan was OC. If you just total up the numbers Rees and Grubb had immediately adjacent to Sheridan with Milroe and Penix, there's a staggering difference. Not exactly apples to apples, but the regression is clear and the splits show even more regression (both Penix and Milroe started off better under Sheridan then performed very poorly as time passed).

All the excuses for Sheridan aside, we know Grubb can do well with a QB. We don't know that with Sheridan because it's nothing but excuses, no QB has ever done well with Sheridan as their OC. I'll take a proven commodity over someone that only has excuses for poor performances.

Rees rating with Milroe: 172
Sheridan rating with Milroe: 148

Things just never go Sheridan's way, poor guy.

I just don't think you can compare the sum of two seasons where Penix was injured and that include some partial games, where he was playing at Indiana in the Big 10 with a significant lack of talent around him to how he does at Washington in the PAC10 with much more talent around him and think that's all just the OC.

Again, I'm not saying Sheridan was awesome. I just don't think an eval of him based on Penix moving from scrub team to good team or how he tried to manage Nilroe is a fair assessment.

Grubb should be a solid choice. The NFL stint clearly didn't do well for him, but that's a one year thing so just like I wouldn't assess Sheridan on one year last season with all those limitations, i won't do that to Grubb either.

 

[B1GTide]

Every defense with a pulse had a book to stop Milroe this year. That was not true last year. The only team that confused me - Georgia. They had the personnel to beat Milroe but didn't even try to defend him properly. They played Alabama as if Milroe was Mahomes.

 

[davefrat]

Every defense with a pulse had a book to stop Milroe this year. That was not true last year. The only team that confused me - Georgia. They had the personnel to beat Milroe but didn't even try to defend him properly. They played Alabama as if Milroe was Mahomes.

Of all the weird things from this season, the GA game may be the weirdest.

 

[81usaf92]

Every defense with a pulse had a book to stop Milroe this year. That was not true last year. The only team that confused me - Georgia. They had the personnel to beat Milroe but didn't even try to defend him properly. They played Alabama as if Milroe was Mahomes.

Michigan and Texas pretty much showed everyone how to attack Milroe, and it seems only Oklahoma was paying attention. I will never understand why Kirby never adjusted to Milroe

 

[gtgilbert]

Michigan and Texas pretty much showed everyone how to attack Milroe, and it seems only Oklahoma was paying attention. I will never understand why Kirby never adjusted to Milroe

UcheaT got the memo as well.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

For one, screen passes to the RB. Matter of fact, one more screen pass to the RB on the final drive against Michigan, we win the game…..even as bad as it had been up to that point. Instead we drop Milroe back 4 straight times and expect him to read the defense and distribute the ball in a timely fashion.

How dare we expect Meroe to be able to actually read a defense and execute plays.

 

[TideFan in AU]

For the record, his wife dispelled that rumor on Facebook today, so I wouldn't put too much stock in the rumors. They deserve the chance to make this work without that kind of talk. I think fans cling to those sorts of rumors, as a way to make the losses not hit quite as hard, but Grubb chose to come back, so let's see how it plays out.

Grubb’s wife actually dispelled this rumor way before yesterday, but people continued to spew the speculation as fact regardless.

 

[JDCrimson]

I told the forum back in the season this is indeed what happened.

I've been waiting for this question to pop up...

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Let's actually look at tMilroe's numbers under Rees and Sheridan, ALL of them.

Passing:
Rees: 13 games, 2834 passing yards, 23 passing TDs, 6 INTs
Sheridan: 13 games, 2844 passing yards, 16 passing TDs, 11 INTs

Rushing:
Rees: 13 games, 531 yards, 12 TD's
Sheridan: 13 games, 726, 20 TD's

Total TD's
Rees: 13 games, 35 TD's
Sheridan: 13 games, 36 TD's

Under BOTH Rees and Sheridan Milroe was responsible for the same amount of TD's. Taking into consideration Milroe's total production (both passing and rushing) under Rees and Sheridan, the difference in passing td's and int's isn't material enough to say Rees "did more" with Milroe.

I think you're involved in a debate that's not being had. No one is saying Sheridan was/is a "good" OC and he didn't have any blind spots. What's being said is the limitations of the quarterback were so severe that Sheridan nor any OC not named Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian or Chip Kelly could overcome to materially change the performance of the position/player (Jalen Milroe). Sure, you've got people saying they don't think they can truly assess Sheridan due to the limitations of the QB. But I don't see anyone on here saying he's a good, very good, or great OC.

The evidence is clear, under two different OC's Jalen Milroe's offensive production was in the same ballpark. Were his stats "EXACTLY" the same, no, but not enough difference to start saying or implying that Sheridan was the bigger problem or just as much of the problem. Josh Pate didn't say Alabama was held hostage by the OC. He said Alabama was held hostage by the QB. Milroe's post-Senior Bowl draft stock plummet and scouting notes back his statement up as well.

Something to point out, Sheridan wasn't at the Senior Bowl when Milroe was throwing picks, fumbling, grossly missing wr's and running out of bounds before reaching the first down mark. Who we blaming that on?

Nailed it. If Grubb had stayed, the narrative would be "Grubb can't call plays in the SEC", because he wouldn't have fared much better.