2016 Election - Trump: How Did Trump Really Win the Presidency?

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We also have the auto loan bubble looming where the same kind of idiots that pushed the housing market to collapse are doing the same with cars. I guess when you don't punish anyone for their con game they figure they can do it again. Who'd have thunk it?

It won't be as impactful but it will most likely cause a lot of economic headaches.
 

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I've decided that in a bizarre sort of way, running a campaign against Trump has got to be right up there with trying to coach against Les Miles. Way back before he was quite as well-known, Clay Travis wrote an article about Tennessee's 13 men on the field loss to LSU that had a very astute observation about what it's like to coach against Miles. Miles causes chaos and the only thing worse than CAUSING chaos is trying to RESPOND rationally to chaos.

That has to be what it's like to run against Trump - whether we're talking about the GOP field that continually spun its wheels trying to gain a footing or HRC. He says something insane. When called on it, he continues to push the insane thing right up to the brink......and then he pivots and somehow manages to make the respondent look like an even bigger fool than he does.

"Hey, let me do something stupid here and throw a pass against Auburn, wasting so much time that if it doesn't work we won't have time for the game-winning field goal."
 

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The standard a looooooooooooong time ago was if a charities administrative expenses exceeded 10%, Stay Away.
I read the same article and knew the uneducated would protest.

The Clinton's were 94.3 %. Nothing to see here.
Au contraire mi amigos.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/

One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity.
Simply put, despite its name, the Clinton Foundation is not a private foundation — which typically acts as a pass-through for private donations to other charitable organizations. Rather, it is a public charity. It conducts most of its charitable activities directly.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

Financial Performance Metrics

Program Expenses
(Percent of the charity’s total expenses spent on the programs
and services it delivers)
86.9%
Administrative Expenses8.7%
Fundraising Expenses4.2%
Fundraising Efficiency$0.03
Working Capital Ratio (years)1.17
Program Expenses Growth17.3%
Liabilities to Assets15.3%


All data for Financial Performance Metrics calculations was provided by The Clinton Foundation on recent 990s filed with the IRS.
 
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Au contraire mi amigos.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/

[FONT=&] One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Simply put, despite its name, the Clinton Foundation is not a private foundation — which typically acts as a pass-through for private donations to other charitable organizations. Rather, it is a public charity. It conducts most of its charitable activities directly.

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https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

Financial Performance Metrics

Program Expenses
(Percent of the charity’s total expenses spent on the programs
and services it delivers)
86.9%
Administrative Expenses8.7%
Fundraising Expenses4.2%
Fundraising Efficiency$0.03
Working Capital Ratio (years)1.17
Program Expenses Growth17.3%
Liabilities to Assets15.3%


All data for Financial Performance Metrics calculations was provided by The Clinton Foundation on recent 990s filed with the IRS.

Just remember - any of us can find a link that supports anything including the Flat Earth.


So let me be clear: I'm not overly concerned about either the Clinton OR the Trump Foundation or whatever. (It's why you don't see me using that argument). I operate under the assumption that virtually every one of these charades is a money grab by whoever anyway. TV preachers, the United Way, almost anyone you can name that has a donation thing set up.
 

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Just remember - any of us can find a link that supports anything including the Flat Earth.


So let me be clear: I'm not overly concerned about either the Clinton OR the Trump Foundation or whatever. (It's why you don't see me using that argument). I operate under the assumption that virtually every one of these charades is a money grab by whoever anyway. TV preachers, the United Way, almost anyone you can name that has a donation thing set up.
You are such a cynic. Why don't you go out a buy a 6 foot tall portrait of yourself?:)
 

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I've decided that in a bizarre sort of way, running a campaign against Trump has got to be right up there with trying to coach against Les Miles. Way back before he was quite as well-known, Clay Travis wrote an article about Tennessee's 13 men on the field loss to LSU that had a very astute observation about what it's like to coach against Miles. Miles causes chaos and the only thing worse than CAUSING chaos is trying to RESPOND rationally to chaos.

That has to be what it's like to run against Trump - whether we're talking about the GOP field that continually spun its wheels trying to gain a footing or HRC. He says something insane. When called on it, he continues to push the insane thing right up to the brink......and then he pivots and somehow manages to make the respondent look like an even bigger fool than he does.

"Hey, let me do something stupid here and throw a pass against Auburn, wasting so much time that if it doesn't work we won't have time for the game-winning field goal."
Other analysts have said much the same. HRC can't run her own campaign for having to respond to what looks like on its face, total foolishness. A good example was his absurd claim yesterday that she was the one who started the "birther movement." Now, anyone who was alive and conscious and alive the last several years knows who the father and principal mover behind that movement was. Nevertheless, she can't not respond to that crap. She can't take the chance that a significant number of people just might believe the lie. That, of course, takes her completely off her messages...
 

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Other analysts have said much the same. HRC can't run her own campaign for having to respond to what looks like on its face, total foolishness. A good example was his absurd claim yesterday that she was the one who started the "birther movement." Now, anyone who was alive and conscious and alive the last several years knows who the father and principal mover behind that movement was. Nevertheless, she can't not respond to that crap. She can't take the chance that a significant number of people just might believe the lie. That, of course, takes her completely off her messages...
She was casting doubt as to Obama's origin and allegiances in '08.

http://www.politico.com/story/2008/02/obama-slams-smear-photo-008667
 

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You are such a cynic. Why don't you go out a buy a 6 foot tall portrait of yourself?:)
I learned to be cynical by watching how partisans act and calling out their nonsense. I've seen people I know and have dealt with - and find them to be REASONABLY intelligent (not Mensa scholars or Machiavellian, but not folks who fell off the turnip truck) - I've watched them find any thing necessary to defend their candidate, and it doesn't matter which candidate we're talking about. Every person on my Facebook who has touted a candidate this year has gotten so ridiculous - whether Bernie, HRC, Cruz, or ESPECIALLY Trump - that I spend half my time gulping anymore. I had a Cruz nutbag defriend and get this - my problem with what he said was it was Cruz trying to rip Trump for 'attacking Ronald Reagan.' The problem was that the meme that circulated wasn't 'exactly' true, it was innuendo. The guy was pontificating as one of those guys who actually believed Cruz was a truth teller and everyone else was a lying sack of dog mess.

So I pointed out his error - very politely. I let most pass, but if you're gonna pull that moralist argument, I'll be nice and show you the error of your ways. He deleted my post and blocked me, which is fine, but also says more about him than about any of the candidates.

And I learned debating religious apologetics that people (and it's NOT just fundamentalists, folks - most of the liberal theologians are every bit as committed to their fundamentalist presuppositions as those they mock) will literally use any argument no matter how ridiculous, the favorite tactic being linking an article that prints out to about 50 pages and saying, "This answers all your questions."

Why can't most folks simply say, "I don't know?"

I have no idea whether the economy is good or bad. Define those terms. Of course, I'm also not one of these dweebs who thinks Presidents deserve a bunch of credit for it, either. Reagan had quite a bit of growth in the 1980s and the right-wingers insist it was his trickle down economics while left-wingers tell me that he destroyed the country. Personally, I think it had to do with things like lots of jobs in the communications industry over advances like proliferation of cable TV and the break-up of AT&T and all that defense contractor spending for WW3. And anyone who gives credit for the 90s to Clinton is a profound idiot, too, given the fact the expansion began in March 1991 and Clinton didn't even announce he was running until October 1991. And then came the Internet expansion.

My income has gone up but so, too, my taxes and what I have to pay for health care. So in terms of the 'are you better off' question, who knows?
 

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That's simply untrue.

The photo was emailed by a campaign volunteer in Iowa, who was immediately fired by Clinton.
It appears that the Clintons continue to reward advisors (e.g. Blumenthal, Penn) who attempted to advance the birther argument. Strange that they would continue to associate with such advisors.
 

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You are all wrong - was Obama himself was the first birther, assuming like, oh, everybody, he approved his biography for his book. But maybe they never sent him a copy for review before publishing.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp

[FONT=&quot]CLAIM:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] A 1991 literary client list promotional booklet identified Barack Obama as having been born in Kenya.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]

TRUE
So before we jump on anyone too harshly, might we put some blame on the person responsible for the promotional booklet than as late as 2007 put forth the claim while promoting Obama's book? You'd think they would have run it by Obama himself or someone associated with him.

Can we move on to real issues now?
 

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Trump used $258,000 from his charity to settle legal problems

Article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html

WaPo said:
In one case, from 2007, Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club faced $120,000 in unpaid fines from the town of Palm Beach, Fla., resulting from a dispute over the size of a flagpole.

In a settlement, Palm Beach agreed to waive those fines — if Trump’s club made a $100,000 donation to a specific charity for veterans. Instead, Trump sent a check from the Donald J. Trump Foundation, a charity funded almost entirely by other people’s money, according to tax records.
WaPo said:
“I represent 700 nonprofits a year, and I’ve never encountered anything so brazen,” said Jeffrey Tenenbaum, who advises charities at the Venable law firm in Washington. After The Post described the details of these Trump Foundation gifts, Tenenbaum described them as “really shocking.”

“If he’s using other people’s money — run through his foundation — to satisfy his personal obligations, then that’s about as blatant an example of self-dealing [as] I’ve seen in a while,” Tenenbaum said.

The Post sent the Trump campaign a detailed list of questions about the four cases, but received no response.

The New York attorney general’s office declined to comment when asked whether its inquiry would cover these new cases of possible self-dealing.
 
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