Is Coach Saban REALLY getting coaches fired?

[RTR_UA#1]

I just had to say my piece about this.
Lots of people keep saying that Coach Saban has gotten 4 coaches fired this year... yadda, yadda, yadda.
I see it like this..... IF Coach Saban had taken a weaker team and beaten these teams then maybe the administration had a beef with the head coaches on Coach Saban's behalf. BUT.. Coach Saban has taken a clearly SUPERIOR team into each game and taken care of business. THAT doesn't get coaches fired, neither does one loss hung on a team by BAMA!
If the TIDE had lost to each of these teams I say the coaches would have been on the hot seat ANYWAY.
Clemson didn't even wait for the season to end, if Clemson had won the other games up to the point of the firing then there would have been NO firing.
Without the BAMA loss:
The barn would have been 6-6,
the viles would have been 6-6,
and the dawgs would have been 5-7.
Not exactly shining seasons.
SO.... all that said.... I can see why Coach Saban is greaved by the firing of each of the SEC coaches as was evident by his presser from yesterday. His statement about BAMA being a 5-7 season away from doing the same made me think. I sure hope he doesn't get disillusioned with coaching and quit all together. He enjoys the players and fans.

NOW..... what say ye?

ROLL TIDE!

 

[NYBamaFan]

LOL WUT

Seriously, I don't think anyone really believes that Nick Saban got four coaches fired. A contributing factor, I'm sure, but it seems to be more facetious than anything, IMO.

:BigA:

The biggest influence that he had was in raising the bar, not the wins and losses, pes se...

 

[jeremy]

Im a firm believer that Tubs would still have a job if he had beaten Bama this year. We all know it.

 

[Tide n True]

I just had to say my piece about this.
Lots of people keep saying that Coach Saban has gotten 4 coaches fired this year... yadda, yadda, yadda.
I see it like this..... IF Coach Saban had taken a weaker team and beaten these teams then maybe the administration had a beef with the head coaches on Coach Saban's behalf. BUT.. Coach Saban has taken a clearly SUPERIOR team into each game and taken care of business. THAT doesn't get coaches fired, neither does one loss hung on a team by BAMA!
If the TIDE had lost to each of these teams I say the coaches would have been on the hot seat ANYWAY.
Clemson didn't even wait for the season to end, if Clemson had won the other games up to the point of the firing then there would have been NO firing.
Without the BAMA loss:
The barn would have been 6-6,
the viles would have been 6-6,
and the dawgs would have been 5-7.
Not exactly shining seasons.
SO.... all that said.... I can see why Coach Saban is greaved by the firing of each of the SEC coaches as was evident by his presser from yesterday. His statement about BAMA being a 5-7 season away from doing the same made me think. I sure hope he doesn't get disillusioned with coaching and quit all together. He enjoys the players and fans.

NOW..... what say ye?

ROLL TIDE!

When other schools look at our team this year and its history of bad coaching and bad recruiting, along with crippling probation, and then see the on field results...it DOES put a lot of long time coaches who have had stability in an awkward position. How do they explain why they couldn't do in ten years what Saban has done in two?

I really do think our results this year and the timeline of them have weighed heavily on employment decisions at the schools that really hate us.

 

[Brady]

Im a firm believer that Tubs would still have a job if he had beaten Bama this year. We all know it.

A win over Alabama would have saved his job but I don't think the loss to 'Bama alone lost it.

 

[NYBamaFan]

A win over Alabama would have saved his job but I don't think the loss to 'Bama alone lost it.

Agreed...

 

[InsaneMustang]

Maybe as a person, Coach Saban isn't responsible. But as the coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide, the success he has had in as little as 2 years, has a direct relation to what's going on the SEC.

Programs are saying, if we fire our coach and get the 'right guy' we could be doing what Alabama is doing in 2 years.

 

[RTR_UA#1]

Maybe as a person, Coach Saban isn't responsible. But as the coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide, the success he has had in as little as 2 years, has a direct relation to what's going on the SEC.

Programs are saying, if we fire our coach and get the 'right guy' we could be doing what Alabama is doing in 2 years.

So I guess Miles was just a few minutes in the game against Troy from losing his job? I guess if he was fired the media would have ask Coach Saban if he felt responsible for that firing too?
LsWho would have been 6-6 if Troy would have beaten them AND they almost did!

 

[TideLegacy]

No.

 

[rolltidescott]

The biggest influence that he had was in raising the bar, not the wins and losses, pes se...

Agreed. Saban is showing how to do it right.

 

[MegaVars]

I just had to say my piece about this.
Lots of people keep saying that Coach Saban has gotten 4 coaches fired this year... yadda, yadda, yadda.
I see it like this..... IF Coach Saban had taken a weaker team and beaten these teams then maybe the administration had a beef with the head coaches on Coach Saban's behalf. BUT.. Coach Saban has taken a clearly SUPERIOR team into each game and taken care of business. THAT doesn't get coaches fired, neither does one loss hung on a team by BAMA!
If the TIDE had lost to each of these teams I say the coaches would have been on the hot seat ANYWAY.
Clemson didn't even wait for the season to end, if Clemson had won the other games up to the point of the firing then there would have been NO firing.
Without the BAMA loss:
The barn would have been 6-6,
the viles would have been 6-6,
and the dawgs would have been 5-7.
Not exactly shining seasons.
SO.... all that said.... I can see why Coach Saban is greaved by the firing of each of the SEC coaches as was evident by his presser from yesterday. His statement about BAMA being a 5-7 season away from doing the same made me think. I sure hope he doesn't get disillusioned with coaching and quit all together. He enjoys the players and fans.

NOW..... what say ye?

ROLL TIDE!

And just what has made Alabama a superior team? If not Coach Saban, then what? Had Shula been there,do you think we still would have had a superior team this year? Nay, I say. I believe Coach Saban is indirectly responsible for some of the coaches getting fired. I think it`s a kind of, If you can`t run with the big dogs, stay on the porch panic that other schools didn`t have when we were on probation and had no reason to worry about us. I think it has came quicker than many have expected and has caused some major knee jerk reaction. A deer in the headlights, so to speak.

 

[Crimson Pig]

I believe Coach Saban is responsible in that he set one HELL of a standard.

 

[Crimson Cat]

NYBamaFan

The biggest influence that he had was in raising the bar, not the wins and losses, pes se...

Maybe as a person, Coach Saban isn't responsible. But as the coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide, the success he has had in as little as 2 years, has a direct relation to what's going on the SEC.

Programs are saying, if we fire our coach and get the 'right guy' we could be doing what Alabama is doing in 2 years.

Agreed. It might be a contributing factor but not the sole reason by no means. I believe that the recent successes of Miles at Lswho, Meyer at UF, Richt at Uga, combined now with CNS success at Bama has raised the bar in the SEC. The admins at both Utee and the barn recognize they can't afford to fall too far behind the competition of these schools, especially with Petrino/Arky and Nutt/Ole Miss posing a threat for the same.
In the barns situation I do believe were it not for other factors surrounding Tubs situation aka. the past history with the admin, he would have gotten another year or two, despite the loss to Bama this year. There was enough bad stuff there already, that just added to it.:BigA:

 

[NYBamaFan]

When one looks at the way Saban went about it, one cannot help but be impressed. He didn't just plug in an offense and a defense - he started by teaching the players the right way to go about the pursuit of all things in their lives in order to be successful in everything that they do.

Saban does not just teach football players to play great football, he teaches them how to approach a challenge, how to take responsibility for themselves and their actions - all of their actions. He teaches them to focus on the moment right in front of them - the task at hand.

His plan (process) is so simple, but it is one that so few people employ in their lives. Compare his approach to most college football coaches. Just having him in the room makes everyone else look the worse. Having him in the SEC is certainly cause for schools to reevaluate their leadership. It's not just about wins and losses, but about the way that he goes about getting more from his players and coaches than anyone could possibly expect - and getting them to give it gladly.

I have had the good fortune to work for a few men like Nick Saban, and they are life changing. We are very lucky to have him...

 

[paulym]

While I don't think that Saban has directly gotten coaches fired, he has shown other schools in this conference what a really great coach can do. Not only has he turned a mediocre team, into a championship quality team, he has changed the losing culture that had become the norm at Alabama. He showed that talent is not the only deciding factor, but changing a mindset of the players that you have, and turning them into a great TEAM, is the most important. Lets not forget, that a lot of these players are Shula's players. Andre and JPW to name a couple. He has turned this entire program around from a punching bag to a champion boxer in less than two years. Unreal. This, is what is getting coaches fired.

 

[Selma-Bama-Fan]

When one looks at the way Saban went about it, one cannot help but be impressed. He didn't just plug in an offense and a defense - he started by teaching the players the right way to go about the pursuit of all things in their lives in order to be successful in everything that they do.

Saban does not just teach football players to play great football, he teaches them how to approach a challenge, how to take responsibility for themselves and their actions - all of their actions. He teaches them to focus on the moment right in front of them - the task at hand.

His plan (process) is so simple, but it is one that so few people employ in their lives. Compare his approach to most college football coaches. Just having him in the room makes everyone else look the worse. Having him in the SEC is certainly cause for schools to reevaluate their leadership. It's not just about wins and losses, but about the way that he goes about getting more from his players and coaches than anyone could possibly expect - and getting them to give it gladly.

I have had the good fortune to work for a few men like Nick Saban, and they are life changing. We are very lucky to have him...

Very well said, and I agree. Coach Saban doesnt have some gimmicky offense or deceptive defense to get by. He teaches fundamentals first... blocking, tackling, and not turning the ball over. He makes teams beat us, instead of us beating ourselves.

The difference with Saban is our 'bad' games arent really that bad this year. We are still sound in fundamentals and we dont beat ourselves. In the past, we would have lost the LSU game by 2 TD's, but if you notice THEY were the ones that made the mistakes this year. Usually it's the other way around.

Lastly, it's the future that scares other teams so much. Saban has done this with mostly Shula's players... and freshmen he recruited (FRESHMEN! This is HUGE). Can you imagine what is going to happen when Saban gets 3 WR's like Julio, and entire DL like Cody, and depth at EVERY position? That is why schools are scrambling for an answer now, because in a few years it will be too late. It might be too late already.

 

[TommyMac]

A win over Alabama would have saved his job but I don't think the loss to 'Bama alone lost it.

But, how about the manner in which he lost it? I'm firmly convinced that he'd still have his job if we had beaten them in a close game. That way, any of the PTB that were wavering as to keeping him could have rationalized keeping him if they perceived the gap between the two programs was small. I think the way we mudholed them tipped the scales in favor of replacing him. Let's face it, with their paranoia and obsession with BAMA, they had to see that Tubs wasn't gonna be able to bridge that gap and that their only hope down the road was to try to find someone who could.

I also think that our decisive win over the viles was the death blow for Phatty. A close loss would have at the very least bought him the rest of the season before the ax fell. I think they made the decision early in order to beat the crowd in dipping into the prospective HC pool.

 

[Selma-Bama-Fan]

I also think that our decisive win over the viles was the death blow for Phatty.

Good point, we laid the wood to him last year as well. Thats two years in a row we have dominated them. I would have to say out of all the coaches that got fired, Fulmer was the one directly linked to Saban's success.

 

[REBELZED]

I think a big part of the reason these teams are pulling the trigger so quickly is because they see how drastically a good coach can affect a program in a short time and they think to themselves, "Well, if THEY can do it, why can't WE?"

The problem with that notion is that there are very few (if any) coaches like Coach Saban and basically none of them are available for hire. I think some of these programs are assuming that change is always good and that's definitely not the case. I think they also assume that ANY above average coach can do for their school what Saban has done for Alabama and that couldn't be farther from the truth.

A lot of these schools will crash and burn with their new hires. I'm just glad we were fortunate enough to land Coach Saban. :BigA:

 

[RTR_UA#1]

Well......maybe BAMA and Coach Saban is getting everyone we play to examine their coaching choices. All I can say for that is ......GET READY EVERYONE! BAMA IS BACK AND THERE AIN'T MUCH YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!!
BAMA has THE BEST coach in college football and you won't find one better so if the coaching bar is raised so be it!
The TIDE is back where it belongs! Looking down at the rest of the inferior college football teams.

ROLL TIDE!!