Jeremy Pruitt bout to sing on UcheaT boosters

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Given the rules, such as they are today, on what grounds?

It seems to me that if boosters can admit to having paid players back in the day with impunity, they can’t be defamed by such accusations.

IOW, even if the evidence is soft, where’s the defamation?
Also, a "defamation" suit you have to prove monetary and social damages, not just say it hurt your feelings. Since paying players is no longer illegal, what damage could have been done if the accusations were "paying players"? LOL!
 

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Also, a "defamation" suit you have to prove monetary and social damages, not just say it hurt your feelings. Since paying players is no longer illegal, what damage could have been done if the accusations were "paying players"? LOL!
The damage is the 'show' clause that is preventing him from being able to work and at his prior salary the $$ isn't unrealistic. He might not be far off from having a case if he can show that others with similar circumstances were treated differently than he was.
 

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The problem is that none of what he was fired over and crucified by the ncaa is related to boosters. It is because he, his staff, and his wife were accused of directly paying players… which is still against the rules today. So aside of causing Tennessee a mild sinus headache, what is the goal here?
First, I think he goes away for a lot less than 100 million.

Who gave him the money? Does he have proof he was instructed to give the money to players? He was the only one punished essentially, so he could prove that the NCAA conspired to make him the fall guy.

Finally, he could just be trying to show the favoritism to put the final nails in the coffin of the NCAA.
 

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The damage is the 'show' clause that is preventing him from being able to work and at his prior salary the $$ isn't unrealistic. He might not be far off from having a case if he can show that others with similar circumstances were treated differently than he was.
Yep, didn't even think about that. Good catch. I totally forgot about that. But even still, wasn't the show cause given because he was deemed to have DIRECTLY paid players, which is still "illegal" under the NCAA rules? I'll be honest, I probably haven't followed the story as closely as you, so forgive me if I'm missing details.
 

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First, I think he goes away for a lot less than 100 million.

Who gave him the money? Does he have proof he was instructed to give the money to players? He was the only one punished essentially, so he could prove that the NCAA conspired to make him the fall guy.

Finally, he could just be trying to show the favoritism to put the final nails in the coffin of the NCAA.
If he's got any shred of proof this WILL go away with an undisclosed settlement to Pruitt. No way he wouldn't take a fourth of that and go to the lake.
 
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I really don't care what the results of this are because it won't matter. What I do hope is that the process is long, ugly, and destructive to all involved.

On the edges this seems similar to what happened to us 25 years ago. Tennessee, FatBoiPhil, Tenn PTBs, and NCAA conspired against us to create a narative of major corruption when there were probably some major issues but not widespread corruption. In this case it sounds like they conspired against Pruitt to get him fired with show cause. Probably deservedly so, but who knows what he knows or knew and who else is involved.

If he really went to FatBoi with knowledge of the payments that were happening before he arrived, and FatBoi then threw him under the bus, that would be just continuing FatBoi's reputation of doing stuff like that. Pathological.

I really don't care. Just make it really really messy with lots of name calling, accusations, whistleblowers, etc. That's what I want.

With a neutered NCAA it will all amount to nothing on that side but Pruitt might get some millions.
 
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Yep, didn't even think about that. Good catch. I totally forgot about that. But even still, wasn't the show cause given because he was deemed to have DIRECTLY paid players, which is still "illegal" under the NCAA rules? I'll be honest, I probably haven't followed the story as closely as you, so forgive me if I'm missing details.
Honestly not that close to it either, just thinking that even if it's illegal, if he can show that he was treated much differently from others who have done (or had knowledge of) the exact same thing he has a case on unequal treatment. that's especially true if he has any proof, like he claims, that someone from uCHEAT, was working with the NCAA to deflect all the blame away from others and onto him.
 

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Pruitt. Great defensive mind in the game of football.

And that's all the positive I can say about that.

At the height of your career as a DC, you go there of all places? Going to AU would have been smarter.
I can't take credit for it because I wasn't the only one. But A LOT OF US on here said taking that job was a BAAAAAAAAAD idea. Unfortunately, a lot of us turned out to be right.
 

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Honestly not that close to it either, just thinking that even if it's illegal, if he can show that he was treated much differently from others who have done (or had knowledge of) the exact same thing he has a case on unequal treatment. that's especially true if he has any proof, like he claims, that someone from uCHEAT, was working with the NCAA to deflect all the blame away from others and onto him.
Here's one GT:
 

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Pruitt. Great defensive mind in the game of football.

And that's all the positive I can say about that.

At the height of your career as a DC, you go there of all places? Going to AU would have been smarter.
Yea, Pruitt was an idiot for going to puke. Call it karma or poetic justice or whatever. It would be nice if this is a messy affair for the cheaters like boss said but, frankly, none of it matters. The Pruitt-Puke saga is not really a blip on my interest meter.
 
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First, I think he goes away for a lot less than 100 million.

Who gave him the money? Does he have proof he was instructed to give the money to players? He was the only one punished essentially, so he could prove that the NCAA conspired to make him the fall guy.

Finally, he could just be trying to show the favoritism to put the final nails in the coffin of the NCAA.
The problem is that Tennessee will counter with “we fired him for just cause because he paid players directly and it was creating a culture of illegal pay for play”. He really has an uphill battle and is probably regretting that he didn’t just step aside when they first asked him to do so.
 
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Also why are you suing the NCAA itself? If Tennessee just proved that you and your wife directly paid players then you absolutely have no case vs the NCAA because that has always been against the rules and still is. So unless there are some direct quotes between Tennessee administration and the NCAA, wire transactions between the two, or something of the sort this seems like a double Hail Mary and double onside kick attempt of winning a case.

Really you should be suing Tennessee if you want some chance in hell of winning. But then again this is Jeremy Pruitt we are talking about. Great DC but horrible at big professional decisions not involving being a DC.
 

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Also why are you suing the NCAA itself? If Tennessee just proved that you and your wife directly paid players then you absolutely have no case vs the NCAA because that has always been against the rules and still is. So unless there are some direct quotes between Tennessee administration and the NCAA, wire transactions between the two, or something of the sort this seems like a double Hail Mary and double onside kick attempt of winning a case.

Really you should be suing Tennessee if you want some chance in hell of winning. But then again this is Jeremy Pruitt we are talking about. Great DC but horrible at big professional decisions not involving being a DC.
Obviously Jeremy made you mad at some point in your life. He was one hellacious DC for Alabama, a school he played for, and I think he’s gotten a raw deal from the NCAA. I’ll leave you with he’s played and coached at the highest level of college football. That’s all that needs to be said
 
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If Pruitt would have stayed our DC he would probably be considered one of the All-Time greats in CFB.

I’ve never been a coach, so I struggle with understanding why Elite COs are never satisfied with being the Best… they HAVE to try and be a HC.
The first part would have been great, but also a little scary. Had he stayed until Nick retired, there may have been a loud voice to elevate him to HC. I don’t know if that would have worked out any better than his gig in Knoxville, W/Ls wise. but maybe further tutelage under Nick and he could have been a Good HC.
 
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Given the rules, such as they are today, on what grounds?

It seems to me that if boosters can admit to having paid players back in the day with impunity, they can’t be defamed by such accusations.

IOW, even if the evidence is soft, where’s the defamation?
On the grounds that it WASN'T legal when the infractions occurred. Hence his show cause.
 

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On the grounds that it WASN'T legal when the infractions occurred. Hence his show cause.
Two separate discussions. One is the show cause. The other is Pruitt's threat to name boosters who paid players.

You're right about the NCAA imposing the show cause. In today's world, I'm not at all sure the NCAA has the power to enforce that. So it strikes me as a definite avenue for Pruitt to pursue.

But, that wasn't the issue that started the thread. What started the thread, and what I was referring to, is that Pruitt was threatening to name boosters who paid players. In response, there was speculation as to what that might mean for either the boosters as individuals or UTe as an institution.

My point is that it doesn't matter if he names them and posts video and bank records online. What they did was against NCAA rules around eligibility at the time. But the NCAA has said it will no longer pursue pay-for-play violations that occurred pre-O'Bannon.

IOW, even if Pruitt names names and has hard proof, it means nothing as far as any punishment for UTe or the boosters. Salacious, maybe. But nothing will come of it.

In any case, as another poster correctly pointed out, Pruitt himself wasn't nailed for presiding over boosters paying players. He was nailed because he, his wife, and his staff paid the players directly. That's what led to the show cause. And to the extent that it matters anymore, it's still against NCAA rules around eligibility.
 
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