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red55

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Re: 18 LSU Players Sign Witness Testimonies Saying Jefferson Did Nothing Wrong

So 18 players are going to basically admit to breaking team rules (after team curfew, and I presume underage drinking for most, if not all) to help get Jefferson off with assault. Not the sharpest tools in the shed down there on the bayou.
Over 50 players admitted breaking curfew on the night after summer camp, it is an old tradition, albeit against team rules and totally without coaches blessings. there were only 18 who were at this bar and witnessed the fight.

In Louisiana, 18-year-olds can legally enter bars to eat food, play pool, and socialize. They just can't be served any liquor until they are 21.
 

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Didn't do anything but the DNA that matches the victim's head on JJ's shoe just got there by the wind.
The DA's office stated for the record that the DNA tests were inconclusive. No victims DNA was found on Jeffersons or Johns clothing and no DNA from the accused were found on the alleged victims clothing.

It is unprecedented for DNA samples to even be taken in a bar fight. The BRPD spent a ton of money to cover their asses and not be seen to neglect anything.
 

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Also to clarify something here. The players never said he was not involved in the fight all they said is he did nothing wrong meaning he did initiate it or any of the things that were said. They are defending his participation in the event.
No players statement to the police have ever been released. No players have been permitted to speak to the media. How can you know this?
 

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No players statement to the police have ever been released. No players have been permitted to speak to the media. How can you know this?
He's talking about the link in reference did not say that. There's obviously some information being released or your boy Gilbeaux is just hurtin' for some material and making things up out of the blue.
 

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Over 50 players admitted breaking curfew on the night after summer camp, it is an old tradition, albeit against team rules and totally without coaches blessings. there were only 18 who were at this bar and witnessed the fight.

In Louisiana, 18-year-olds can legally enter bars to eat food, play pool, and socialize. They just can't be served any liquor until they are 21.
This defies logic and credibility, because it means:
a) those 18 were the only ones who "witnessed" the fight. How can that be? You know how much space 18 college football players take up? How did they all (and, obviously, no one else, because there certainly wasn't room for anyone else) "witness" the fight? and
b) 20 other "third-party" witnesses saw it. How is that possible? That means, at least, 38 people "witnessed" this fight. With 18 college football players all having ringside seats.
Nope.
 

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The further this thing moves along the more it appears like the viral youtube vid of the girl/guy that got beat up by the 2 girls at a Baltimore McDonalds. The victim was beat to the point of having a seizure and the employees were telling the assaulters to flee before the cops came all the while never lifting a hand to help the victim during the attack or seizure.

Just to be clear ^^^ this is how it appears via the internet... reality may be quite different. One thing is certain though. The tooth fairy didn't beat someone until they had broken vertebra... someone did it.
 
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He's talking about the link in reference did not say that. There's obviously some information being released or your boy Gilbeaux is just hurtin' for some material and making things up out of the blue.
Understand that Guilbeau is Louisiana's Finebaum. Controversy is his bag.

I cannot find the DA, Hillar Moore, stating that the LSU players said that Jefferson "did nothing wrong". I think that is Guilbeau's characterization. Jim Kleinpeter from the New Orleans paper also reported on Moores comments and wrote that the players said that Jefferson "had nothing to do with the fight", possibly also a characterization.

http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2011/09/lsu_football_tigers_coach_les_3.html
 

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Re: 18 LSU Players Sign Witness Testimonies Saying Jefferson Did Nothing Wrong

Understand that Guilbeau is Louisiana's Finebaum. Controversy is his bag.

I cannot find the DA, Hillar Moore, stating that the LSU players said that Jefferson "did nothing wrong". I think that is Guilbeau's characterization. Jim Kleinpeter from the New Orleans paper also reported on Moores comments and wrote that the players said that Jefferson "had nothing to do with the fight", possibly also a characterization.

http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2011/09/lsu_football_tigers_coach_les_3.html
I know quite well. I live in Louisiana and he's hated in NW La just as much as he is down yander.
 

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This defies logic and credibility, because it means:
a) those 18 were the only ones who "witnessed" the fight. How can that be? You know how much space 18 college football players take up? How did they all (and, obviously, no one else, because there certainly wasn't room for anyone else) "witness" the fight? and
b) 20 other "third-party" witnesses saw it. How is that possible? That means, at least, 38 people "witnessed" this fight. With 18 college football players all having ringside seats.
Nope.
That's what the police say. It's a large college beer hall that probably holds 250 people and the fight happened outside the bar in the crowded parking lot when patrons were leaving at last call. Video's showed a large crowd but not much else. The fight apparently started when some guy tried to force his truck through the pedestrians. There were more than football players in the crowd.
 

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That's what the police say. It's a large college beer hall that probably holds 250 people and the fight happened outside the bar in the crowded parking lot when patrons were leaving at last call. Video's showed a large crowd but not much else. The fight apparently started when some guy tried to force his truck through the pedestrians. There were more than football players in the crowd.
What do you mean by 'forcing his truck'? I heard he blew his horn for people to get out of his way so that he could leave, and the players took offense to being blown at, and that's when the fight started. Is this anywhere close to the truth?
 

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What do you mean by 'forcing his truck'? I heard he blew his horn for people to get out of his way so that he could leave, and the players took offense to being blown at, and that's when the fight started. Is this anywhere close to the truth?
Might be what the grand jury is deciding today, or , at least, if they think it is possibly true. We should all know soon enough.
 

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What do you mean by 'forcing his truck'? I heard he blew his horn for people to get out of his way so that he could leave, and the players took offense to being blown at, and that's when the fight started. Is this anywhere close to the truth?
That is the alleged victims story reported by the media. The LSU players story has not been released. Third-party witnesses (including the bar employees) who have talked to the media have stated that some guy in a pickup full of passengers tried to force his way through a crowd who slapped his hood and called him names. The angry and intoxicated driver got out of his truck, confronted the crowd, and claimed to have a gun and a fight ensued when he attempted to get back into the truck to retrieve it.

That's why the DA wants a Grand Jury to hear testimony under oath. People will tell a reporter anything including hearsay. But with a risk of perjury, it is hoped that credible witnesses will stick to what they actually saw.
 
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Might be what the grand jury is deciding today, or , at least, if they think it is possibly true. We should all know soon enough.
The DA says that it may take 3 weeks. The Grand Jury doesn't meet on a daily basis, apparently. if they need a second or third session, it could run into 2 or 3 weeks.
 

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Jefferson is suspended only because he and Johns were charged with felony assault. They were charged by the police based on the testimony of Lowery and his friends. The DNA evidence turned up negative and there are about 20 third-party witnesses that contradict the alleged victims. The DA chose not to prosecute on this flimsy evidence. 90% of bar fights end up with no charges filed. Most of the rest end up with misdemeanor battery charges against all parties in the fight.

This kind of felony battery charge is rare in a bar fight and convictions are rare as well. The DA put it all before the Grand Jury today to avoid appearances of bias. If they indict Jefferson, then it will all go to trial and the truth will come out publicly. If not, they will walk from criminal charges and can be reinstated by Les. Many observers believe that the noisy accusations of the alleged victims' attorney is that he is setting this up for a civil suit against Jefferson and Johns and possibly LSU.

I believe that the DA feels that there is little evidence against the two and that clearly some of the unnamed "witnesses" are lying. If they lie before the Grand Jury, they risk jail, so likely the truth will come out in the Grand Jury testimony, but we will never hear about it. To quote the DA "We want everyone that we've interviewed and have been interviewed by police with knowledge of what went on in the fight to testify under oath and under the potential penalty of perjury."
Brother, I understand that your intentions are good but you are on an Alabama board. Most in the nation pressumed JJ guilty as soon as this came out. It doesn't matter that the ONLY witness against Jefferson has personal ties to the "victim" and when the police contacted the phone of the victim, she answered and said they were sleeping (at her apartment).

From all other accounts, not only players, Jefferson was not even invovled in the fight. This includes the testimony of the bar employees that saw him standing away from the fight as it occurred.

On to another point. This Marine that everyone is mentioning was certainly not in his dress blues or any type of duty uniform. It wasn't as if the team was looking to assualt military personnel. This Marine also has a standing restraining order on him. Video in the bar shows him harrassing the ex-girlfriend that placed the restraining order, and then he punched the guy she was with. Jefferson had no contact with the Marine as he was being escorted from the bar for the assualt on the ex-girlfriends new flame.

Blah, blah, blah ........ I've been following this pretty closely, as would you if it was an Alabama player and this pressumption of guilt that is being assumed is unfounded until . At present time he is innocent, just as any of us would be prior to our day in court. Roll Tide !!!!!!!! / Geaux Tigers !!!!

I certaininly hope he is found innocent if indeed he is. At this point, he would not return to the starting role anyway. He has missed three weeks of practice and Jarrett Lee is 3-0 on the season. The courts convened today and have scheduled another hearing for NEXT Wednesday so at best, if he is back this season, it won't be until week 6. He still won't start.
 

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Come on Bama fans, we shouldn't be playing the logic card. JJ should be immediately reinstated. Our chances of beating LSU go up if JJ plays. ;)
 

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There certainly are a lot of questions hanging around this one, from both sides, so to speak. I just hope it gets cleared up quickly one way or the other so we can drop it and focus on football.
 

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Come on Bama fans, we shouldn't be playing the logic card. JJ should be immediately reinstated. Our chances of beating LSU go up if JJ plays. ;)
I hope they do because I do not think he is their best option at QB.

I also love how LSU fans come on here and endorse their players being where they should not. The fact is if they were not there this would be no question but defend all you want.

In regards to the alleged victim I also love how LSU fans like to paint the picture the guy deserved to be kicked in the face for prior behavior to help defend JJ and the players. Any clown that has to kick someone like that when they on the ground is a coward plain and simple. Defending it is just as bad. The Marine might be an alleged vistim but JJ still is an alleged criminal.
 

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I hope they do because I do not think he is their best option at QB.

I also love how LSU fans come on here and endorse their players being where they should not. The fact is if they were not there this would be no question but defend all you want.

In regards to the alleged victim I also love how LSU fans like to paint the picture the guy deserved to be kicked in the face for prior behavior to help defend JJ and the players. Any clown that has to kick someone like that when they on the ground is a coward plain and simple. Defending it is just as bad. The Marine might be an alleged vistim but JJ still is an alleged criminal.
If the guy on the ground started the fight, and threatened to escalate it into gunplay, I'd say he earned a face boot.
Two pretty big IFs though.
 

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The DA's office stated for the record that the DNA tests were inconclusive. No victims DNA was found on Jeffersons or Johns clothing and no DNA from the accused were found on the alleged victims clothing.
That's not what "inconclusive" means . It means the available sample was insufficient for producing a reliable result . Which is another way of saying something IS there , but that what it is could be debated . It's the same as having a breathalizer test which can show on the result card that alcohol is present even though the sample was insufficient and would not be entered into evidence by the prosecution . It's still there though .
 
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