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Sadly we were outcoached again...

TideFan in AU said:
The funny thing is that if Micheal Williams comes down with that catch, this thread wouldn't exist. It probably wouldn't exist if AJ threw the ball to Norwood who was WIDE OPEN in the 2nd quarter. It also may not exist if Trent doesn't drop the pass in OT where he had at least 10 yards of grass in front of him. It was a conversative game plan, but it came down to lack of execution from our players.
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Thanks for the sanity !
 
We played defense and they played defense, all this game showed is their kicker is better than ours and that 1 bad call from the officials took away a chance we had to score a touchdown. We lost. We had 6 chances to kick field goals and got 2. They had 4 changes and got three. We were not terrible or outcoached and the world has not come to an end.
 
WalkaboutSean said:
<<allow a WR to throw a pass instead of riding the best offensive player in the stadium to almost certain points>>

"Almost certain points" is more than a little optimistic. I love TR (and was shouting for him to get the ball in the 4th Q), but also remember him getting dropped for multiple yardage losses tonight. LSU's D ate up TR on several occasions and there was nothing "almost certain" about getting a first down, much less points.

The wildcat pass was a ballsy call that almost worked - after viewing the instant replay I'm still not convinced it shouldn't have been Bama's ball on the 1.
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He got dropped when we ran edge plays where he was running east and west. When he ran straight up the middle it usually resulted in a first down. Instead of attacking LSU's weakness we attacked their strength. Again, stupid, stupid offensive playcalling. Our coach's did not cater to our strengths--running up the gut--they catered to LSU's. You reverse the coaching staff player alignments (i.e. LSU's staff with Bama's players and vice versa), we win. LSU could not get a push up the middle...just around the ends. Yet we insisted on running right into them. We simply went away from our identity.

We say our players didn't execute, well our staff wasn't letting them do what they do best. Every game McCarron misses a wide open receiver, someone drops a sure TD pass, TR gets dropped for a couple of losses, etc. It happens every game. But we overcome that because we settle into our game--pound up the middle. That was the difference tonight. The staff didn't let Bama be Bama.
 
First of all, 3 made field goals and we win. However, that's not what I take away from this game. I had no problem with trying to put those points on the board. It didn't hurt us. Sure, field position was in their favor after the misses, but we stopped them and drove right back to the 30 and stalled. Play calling was a bit suspect imo. It seemed to me that in the 4th we had them right where we wanted them. LSU's D looked tired. When AJ took the snap under center... that part is important... and handed the ball to TR, he ran for positive yardage. He was wearing them down. For some reason, we went to a shotgun set and tried delayed draws. TR got stuffed at the line or in the backfield every time. At this point, we resorted to throwing the football to Maze every play. Did AJ throw the ball to anyone else in the second half??? Maybe TR on that screen when he threw it 100 mph from 3 feet. The game didn't need to be in AJ's hands at that point. I think the media tricked CNS into believing his young QB would have to win the game. His dominating RB was pounding the rock. AJ wasn't ready. You could see that there was no confidence in his throws. They were slow and looked to float out of his hand. Pound the middle and we win in regulation. Great game though. I'm really beside myself as we squandered the best chance at 14 we will have for a few years. We will take care of the rest of our business in 2011 though, and I can't wait to KILL AUBURN

ROLL TIDE!!!
 
skippgriffin said:
First of all, 3 made field goals and we win. However, that's not what I take away from this game. I had no problem with trying to put those points on the board. It didn't hurt us. Sure, field position was in their favor after the misses, but we stopped them and drove right back to the 30 and stalled. Play calling was a bit suspect imo. It seemed to me that in the 4th we had them right where we wanted them. LSU's D looked tired. When AJ took the snap under center... that part is important... and handed the ball to TR, he ran for positive yardage. He was wearing them down. For some reason, we went to a shotgun set and tried delayed draws. TR got stuffed at the line or in the backfield every time. At this point, we resorted to throwing the football to Maze every play. Did AJ throw the ball to anyone else in the second half??? Maybe TR on that screen when he threw it 100 mph from 3 feet. The game didn't need to be in AJ's hands at that point. I think the media tricked CNS into believing his young QB would have to win the game. His dominating RB was pounding the rock. AJ wasn't ready. You could see that there was no confidence in his throws. They were slow and looked to float out of his hand. Pound the middle and we win in regulation. Great game though. I'm really beside myself as we squandered the best chance at 14 we will have for a few years. We will take care of the rest of our business in 2011 though, and I can't wait to KILL AUBURN

ROLL TIDE!!!
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I'm sorry skip, but we were never really pounding the rock. Trent only had 2 runs of more than 3 yards in the whole second half. The 9 yard run and 24 yard runs were spectacular efforts by Trent, but we could just line up and run the ball. 4 of the 11 carries were either no gain or a loss of yardages. He had 11 carries for 34 yards in the second half. The play by play numbers are below. I'll admit, I didn't member them being this bad either. I wonder if Eddie re-aggravated the toe, because he didn't get a single carry after halftime.


3rd Quarter

Trent Richardson rush for 2 yards to the 50 yard line.
Trent Richardson rush for 1 yard to the LSU 34.
Trent Richardson rush for no gain to the Alab 30.

4th Quarter

Trent Richardson rush for 2 yards to the Alab 27.
Trent Richardson rush for 3 yards to the Alab 48.
Trent Richardson rush for 24 yards to the LSU 28 for a 1ST down.
***This is where Maze threw the pick***
Trent Richardson rush for 9 yards to the Alab 28.
Trent Richardson rush for 2 yards to the Alab 41 for a 1ST down.
Trent Richardson rush for a loss of 6 yards to the Alab 35.
Trent Richardson rush for a loss of 3 yards to the Alab 32.
Trent Richardson rush for no gain to the Alab 22.
 
the wildcat pass was a bad idea regardless of it almost working or the interception. richardson had just ripped off a long run to their 28. with points being so important one would think that at that late juncture of the game, with the way our d was playing, we'd have been most concerned with gaining or at least preserving field position to go up by three. not to mention that the first pick had been on a play to a tight end/h back too. the reverse hand off was a dumb call. as others mentioned, the substitution fouls are unacceptable. putting shelley in for the long kick was dumb. my wife and i, who were both soccer players (she went to bama on a scholarship) both said the ball would be blocked as soon as we saw him come on because anyone who has ever kicked field goals or taken goal kicks knows that the longer the distance (and more so the weaker the leg), the lower the trajectory has to be. he had no chance of making that kick from that distance against that line. like it or not, and even considering the players' culpability regarding execution, aside from the defense, the coaching staff laid an egg. saban's an awesome coach... the best CEO in college football...best recruiter, best staff organizer, best game prep coach. he is not the best in game coach. we saw that yesterday, we saw it last year against lsu and auburn. as awesome as he is, and he is, we've been less than stellar in our last three big conference matchups and it's been as much the fault of the men wearing the headsets as it has been the kids wearing the helmets.
 
I'm sick of all you people saying we are outcoached. It is so easy to sit back in your lazy boy and second guess every decision that the coaches make. If Cade Foster makes the 1st field goal, we would all be rejoicing what a great kicker we have. If he makes the 2nd field goal we'd being saying, "Way to give him another chance coach!" If Michael Williams brings down the catch from Maze, we'd all be saying what a great call.

Sometimes, you simply get beat by a better team, or the ball bounces the other teams way. Get over it! Get a life! Learn to support your team even when they loose and stop having to find someone to blame. I love coach Saban and how he has put our program back on a very high level. I love the players and the pride they exhibit and how hard and well they compete. What I can't stand is when our "fans" feel compelled to think they know more than the coaches and have better ability than the players to create a different outcome to a hard fought game in which we simply got beat by a better team.
 
The only way we got out-coached is IF they knew Marquis Maze had no reason to be out on the field for that point. We tried some long field goals and missed, so what? It wasn't like L.S.U. immediately marched down the field and scored a TD. Our defense held up for all 3 missed kicks in regulation. The wildcat pass from Maze was fine as well. It's not their fault that the L.S.U. DB took the ball away from Williams. It's not CNS or McElwain's fault that A.J. missed Gibson wide open in the left flat or that we had 2 bad illegal substitution calls at bad times. The truth is this, we just couldn't get out of our own way last night.
 
subherbanite said:
The only way we got out-coached is IF they knew Marquis Maze had no reason to be out on the field for that point. We tried some long field goals and missed, so what? It wasn't like L.S.U. immediately marched down the field and scored a TD. Our defense held up for all 3 missed kicks in regulation. The wildcat pass from Maze was fine as well. It's not their fault that the L.S.U. DB took the ball away from Williams. It's not CNS or McElwain's fault that A.J. missed Gibson wide open in the left flat or that we had 2 bad illegal substitution calls at bad times. The truth is this, we just couldn't get out of our own way last night.
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Bingo
 
Some of you make it sound as if the coaching staff is supposed to be flawless in every play in every game. Everybody makes mistakes and I assure you Saban sees things in every game he wished he had done differently. I am not flawless at work, are you? It comes down to execution and we didn't make plays when we needed to and they did.

Saban has two National Championships, I don't have any.

BTW, some coaches (Miles, Chizik) have horseshoes in their pockets and they win some games they should lose, such is life.
 
Oh please. Bama wasn't outcoached. LSU was at real risk for losing this game. It was a great game against two teams who wanted it badly. Both had the physical strength to give all four quarters and then some. But LSU was lucky to come away with a W. The Bama D held the LSU O to only 239 yards. The Bama O had a serviceable 295 yards which came with multiple scoring opportunities, that LSU didn't have. It was like both teams arriving to a gun fight with Bama having 5 more bullets than LSU and then missing on all 5 extra shots (which are the 4 missed field goals and a sure touchdown to Williams negated by an exceptional interception by Reid). Alabama, IMO, wasn't out-manned, out-motivated, or out-strategized. They were just flat out unlucky. When was the last time that a person would tell you that Bama will hold an opponent to 6 points that you would be worried about losing? LSU was pinned to the ropes on too many occasions during this game. I don't think they want to deal with BAMA again during the NC game. I think today they are thankful, cause they don't want no more.
 
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I will admit, after the first 2 missed fg's, I would have punted on the 3rd.

Does not punting in that situation mean we were outcoached? No.

If our kickers weren't capable of making those fg's, the coaches would not have put them in those positions.

Maybe everyone just needs to realize that CNS and the rest of the coaching staff probably knew more about what was happening in the game than anyone on this board. I for one am not about to question the ability of our coaches. LSU has a great team and a great coaching staff. Just like we do.
 
All a great coach can do is to put his players in a position to win. Coach Saban did that.

We lost because of critical errors by our players in critical situations. For example...Barron intercepts and runs it back to the five but we have a block in the back.

A.J. doesn't pick up a wide open receiver in the second quarter. Marquis misses a wide open tight end and then doesn't field a punt.

Little things that add up and all because of a lack of execution and not by bad coaching.

In reality we dominated this game start to finish, we just made critical mistakes and didn't execute. It's that simple.

sip
 
Alasippi said:
All a great coach can do is to put his players in a position to win. Coach Saban did that.

We lost because of critical errors by our players in critical situations. For example...Barron intercepts and runs it back to the five but we have a block in the back.

A.J. doesn't pick up a wide open receiver in the second quarter. Marquis misses a wide open tight end and then doesn't field a punt.

Little things that add up and all because of a lack of execution and not by bad coaching.

In reality we dominated this game start to finish, we just made critical mistakes and didn't execute. It's that simple.

sip
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I agree for the most part. But think about this: Coaches know their personnel so putting our kickers "in a position" to kick FGs may not have been good coaching decisions at the time. Redzone TD success rate is gonna be important from here on in.
 
RhodeIslandRed said:
Oh please. Bama wasn't outcoached. LSU was at real risk for losing this game. LSU was pinned to the ropes on too many occasions during this game. I don't think they want to deal with BAMA again during the NC game. I think today they are thankful, cause they don't want no more.
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Alasippi said:
All a great coach can do is to put his players in a position to win. Coach Saban did that.

We lost because of critical errors by our players in critical situations. For example...Barron intercepts and runs it back to the five but we have a block in the back.

A.J. doesn't pick up a wide open receiver in the second quarter. Marquis misses a wide open tight end and then doesn't field a punt.

Little things that add up and all because of a lack of execution and not by bad coaching.

In reality we dominated this game start to finish, we just made critical mistakes and didn't execute. It's that simple.

sip
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Thanks guys for those posts. That's the way I see it.
 
RJ YellowHammer said:
I didn't care for the decision to kick the 2nd and 3rd field goals either, but LSU didn't get any points out of that!​
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Understand that it isn't about the points - it is about field position. If you have little chance of making a 50 yard FG, you punt and play the field position game. With our defense playing at such a high level, we priobably cost ourselves points on future possessions by choosing to try the long FGs.
 
subherbanite said:
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=313090333&period=0

I'm telling ya, watch our drives and see how EVERY time we got to their 35-30yd line we imploded. Mandell only punted twice, if you would've passed out last night before the game and woke up hearing that you would swear that we won this game.
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Yep - how a team can move the ball as well as we did and only score 6 points is beyond explanation. I listened to it last night and watched it this morning and I still can't believe it. It is like I am stuck in some kind of nightmare.
 
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