Sadly we were outcoached again...

[RhodeIslandRed]

I'm not certain that our coffin-corner punting abilities are that great either. So if we are willing to put the game in the hands of our defense, why not take a field goal shot? Take the risk of letting the D take over on the 35 as opposed to the 20 on (effectively) a 15 yard punt.

 

[SimplyTide]

I'm not certain that our coffin-corner punting abilities are that great either. So if we are willing to put the game in the hands of our defense, why not take a field goal shot? Take the risk of letting the D take over on the 35 as opposed to the 20 on (effectively) a 15 yard punt.

15 yards closer and the next FG attempt is 35 yards. We make that.

 

[AlofBama]

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=313090333&period=0

I'm telling ya, watch our drives and see how EVERY time we got to their 35-30yd line we imploded. Mandell only punted twice, if you would've passed out last night before the game and woke up hearing that you would swear that we won this game.

You are right. Nothing they did coaching won the game for them. We spotted both the field goals by our mistakes (blown coverage and interception). That's not great coaching, just the way it goes sometimes. Bama needed better execution, and we win! Plain and simple.

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Understand that it isn't about the points - it is about field position. If you have little chance of making a 50 yard FG, you punt and play the field position game. With our defense playing at such a high level, we priobably cost ourselves points on future possessions by choosing to try the long FGs.

Understand that giving up the field position didn't cost us anything. They didn't score and we kept marching the ball down the field.

 

[SimplyTide]

Understand that giving up the field position didn't cost us anything. They didn't score!

Um, yes it did - it cost us a chance to score from better field position in a future possession. FB is a game of taking and holding the field of battle. By trying low percentage FGs and missing them time and again, we conceded field possession with every possession. It cost us points - of that I am 100% certain.

 

[RhodeIslandRed]

I think there are too many intangibles during an exchange and the subsequent offensive possession to make 15 yards that significant. More than that, LSU has a great defense in its own right. They were called on to make the stop inside the 30 and they do it.

 

[skippgriffin]

Um, yes it did - it cost us a chance to score from better field position in a future possession. FB is a game of taking and holding the field of battle. By trying low percentage FGs and missing them time and again, we conceded field possession with every possession. It cost us points - of that I am 100% certain.

One of the misses was from 47... so he shouldn't have kicked it from 46 either?

 

[Clubfitter]

If we had made a couple of the field goals we missed we would be talking about what a great job our coaching staff did by getting us in a position to win against a very good team. Van Tiffin on the team we win by 9. Even if Money was still here we win by 6. We need to get a hold on our emotions and disappointment and realize we got to play Miss State next Saturday.

 

[SimplyTide]

I think there are too many intangibles during an exchange and the subsequent offensive possession to make 15 yards that significant. More than that, LSU has a great defense in its own right. They were called on to make the stop inside the 30 and they do it.

Sorry - thousands of football games have been won playing the field position game. This is not something new. It is a stretch to think that we would make a FG from that far out, but you have to try the first - maybe even the second - but only if you have a FG kicker who makes them with some consistency. Bama does not. When you do not, you are trowing away yardage on an attempt with a low chance of success.

Saban said in an interview before the game that you only take calculated risks and you accept that you will be criticized when they fail. Well, he took many calculated risks in this game. Too many for this team, with this defense and these kickers. His strategy failed.

 

[TiderB]

Did CNS make mistakes? Yes. Did he get out coached? NO. Did he put the players in positions to win the game? Yes. Did the players effectively execute? No.

 

[Tidewater]

I'm sick of all you people saying you are sick of all those people say we are outcoached.

LSU deserves a little bit of credit for the win.
Players not executing deserves a little bit of credit for the loss.
And yes, there were some really odd coaching decisions that also should come in for some criticism. I question kicking 47 yard field goals with questionable kickers when you can pooch punt the ball deep and play d. I question getting cute when you near the red zone (halfback pass, jet sweeps that lose yards when you have Trent freaking Richardson in the backfield. I question putting a punter returner out on the field with a badly sprained ankle, so badly sprained that he can't backpeddle (They did correct that mistake, but only after allowing a 70 yard punt late in the fourth quarter.)

It's a message board, for Pete's sake. If you don't want to read criticisms of coaching decisions, avert your eyes.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Anyone who feels right now is the time to start pointing fingers at Coach Saban is most likely the same guy that goes overboard when we win and always predicts a three touchdown win. Unrealistic and short sighted. You don't give up points in this game, and that had much to do with the decision to kick 40+ yard field goals, which should have odds of 2/1. Much better than the odds of getting a first down, and then scoring a touchdown, which is probably 5/1 at best.


Les Miles won his NC with 2 losses and this is his best season by far. Coach Saban went undefeated in league play two years straight until the unprecedented gang pile schedule last year and then this game. He is still the best coach in the league. Not sure if Miles has gone undefeated yet. He is a great coach, but Coach Saban can still build you a better program overall.

This board is about 7 to 1 average football blokes to people that actually look at the bigger picture and know football. And this is probably modest. It was more balanced 6 years ago I think, but many of the blue chip posters got frustrated and left. I am not one, but can identify one.

Even if we were out choached last night, in the bigger picture of where this program is right now and the division we play in , is it appropriate to start blaming our "misfortunes" on Coach Saban? The one that is mainly responsible for the magnitude of this game. I hope more than a few remember LSU pre Saban. He changed the culture and that still persists today. We beat LSU every year on their field from 1969 through I believe though the early 2000's. Home field statistically plays against Bama in this rivalry.

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Um, yes it did - it cost us a chance to score from better field position in a future possession. FB is a game of taking and holding the field of battle. By trying low percentage FGs and missing them time and again, we conceded field possession with every possession. It cost us points - of that I am 100% certain.

So it wasn't the substitution penalty, the negative running play on first down, the pick we threw out of the wildcat, the block in the back on the INT(or else we have the ball at 7). It was kicking the field goals in the first half that we missed and generated zero points for LSU? It's important to note that we held them, then drove the ball back to their 30 after everyone of those missed FGs before self destructing in the RZ.

 

[SimplyTide]

Anyone who feels right now is the time to start pointing fingers at Coach Saban is most likely the same guy that goes overboard when we win and always predicts a three touchdown win. Unrealistic and short sighted. You don't give up points in this game, and that had much to do with the decision to kick 40+ yard field goals, which should have odds of 2/1. Much better than the odds of getting a first down, and then scoring a touchdown, which is probably 5/1 at best.


Les Miles won his NC with 2 losses and this is his best season by far. Coach Saban went undefeated in league play two years straight until the unprecedented gang pile schedule last year and then this game. He is still the best coach in the league. Not sure if Miles has gone undefeated yet.

This board is about 7 to 1 average football blokes to people that actually look at the bigger picture and know football. And this is probably modest. It was more balanced 6 years ago I think, but many of the blue chip posters got frustrated and left. I am not one, but can identify one.

Even if we were out choached last night, in the bigger picture of where this program is right now and the division we play in , is it appropriate to start blaming our "misfortunes" on Coach Saban? The one that is mainly responsible for the magnitude of this game. I hope more than a few remember LSU pre Saban. He changed the culture and that still persists today. We beat LSU every year on their field from 1969 through I believe though the early 2000's. Home field statistically plays against Bama in this rivalry.

I think that you are confused. It is possible to believe that Saban is the best coach in America and also recognize that he will not be the best coach in every game.

 

[SimplyTide]

So it wasn't the substitution penalty, the negative running play on first down, the pick we threw out of the wildcat, the block in the back on the INT(or else we have the ball at 7). It was kicking the field goals in the first half that we missed and generated zero points for LSU? It's important to note that we held them, then drove the ball back to their 30 after everyone of those missed FGs before self destructing in the RZ.

You miss the point.

 

[Liger]

I'm sick of all you people saying you are sick of all those people say we are outcoached.

LSU deserves a little bit of credit for the win.
Players not executing deserves a little bit of credit for the loss.
And yes, there were some really odd coaching decisions that also should come in for some criticism. I question kicking 47 yard field goals with questionable kickers when you can pooch punt the ball deep and play d. I question getting cute when you near the red zone (halfback pass, jet sweeps that lose yards when you have Trent freaking Richardson in the backfield. I question putting a punter returner out on the field with a badly sprained ankle, so badly sprained that he can't backpeddle (They did correct that mistake, but only after allowing a 70 yard punt late in the fourth quarter.)

It's a message board, for Pete's sake. If you don't want to read criticisms of coaching decisions, avert your eyes.

you said it

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

You miss the point.

Yeah, yeah. Field position. I gotcha. You have to score to win.

 

[skippgriffin]

You miss the point.

Nobody misses the point. Shoulda, woulda ,coulda can go both ways. What if we punt, get good field position and still stall at the 35?? Punt again?? What if he made 1 of those kicks? Ifs and buts....

 

[SimplyTide]

Nobody misses the point. Shoulda, woulda ,coulda can go both ways. What if we punt, get good field position and still stall at the 35?? Punt again?? What if he made 1 of those kicks? Ifs and buts....

Yes- punt again. It is a time tested approach.

 

[subherbanite]

The offense bogged down....p.e.r.i.o.d.! They marched all night long and did something stupid or allowed L.S.U. to make a big play keeping us out of the red zone. It's not like we only have 7 plays to score and if we don't the guys just run out of steam or can't make another play. We killed ourselves with bad plays.