BREAKING Sec additions–Texas, Oklahoma inquire about joining SEC per report

[CullmanTide]

For anyone wanting the shorthorns to join, think of the consequences. Alabama will sit squarely in the crosshairs. Texas will want to rule and they must first dethrone the king. You can't put ANYTHING past Texas. Just look at the Big 12.

 

[KrAzY3]

Southern Cal is not at all realistic for a multitude of reasons.

Texas wasn't either, until they became realistic.

If things really are going to blow up, then this is about money. If this is about money, the Big 10 and the SEC have about 20 million more per year to offer other schools. It's why Texas wants in, it's why Oklahoma wants in. It's also why if the SEC waits long enough a lot of schools will want in.

Will the Pac-12 survive? Probably... but if they're left with Big 12 leftovers they could permanently be relegated to second tier status. Sooner or later some of their schools are going to want to join up with the big boys.

The SEC signed the deal last year that put them well ahead financially of everyone but the Big 10, clearly it has changed things. However, the SEC is still acting like the kid that got picked on in school and is just happy the cheerleader is letting him carry her books.

 

[TexasBama]

This was my point last night. They've got to be showing some serious Jerry Maguire money here for this to have gotten this far.

On the other hand, it would be fun to actually just you know - go beat the hell out of them, too.

The preseason rankings might be more realistic too. OU and Texas at 6th or 7th. Yeah, in the SEC.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Texas wasn't either, until they became realistic.

If things really are going to blow up, then this is about money. If this is about money, the Big 10 and the SEC have about 20 million more per year to offer other schools. It's why Texas wants in, it's why Oklahoma wants in. It's also why if the SEC waits long enough a lot of schools will want in.

Will the Pac-12 survive? Probably... but if they're left with Big 12 leftovers they could permanently be relegated to second tier status. Sooner or later some of their schools are going to want to join up with the big boys.

The SEC signed the deal last year that put them well ahead financially of everyone but the Big 10, clearly it has changed things. However, the SEC is still acting like the kid that got picked on in school and is just happy the cheerleader is letting him carry her books.

Texas is in the central time zone. USC is two time zones away.

 

[bamaga]

We're going to exclude the Big 10 right?

North Carolina
Virginia
Southern California
Notre Dame

Should I keep going? The state of Oklahoma doesn't really add that much value.

exactly my point, Neither USC nor ND are joining the SEC . Not gonna happen! UNC and UVA are being wooed by the B1G , although I highly doubt they leave ACC . and what value do they add? Potential, sure . value? I’m not so sure about. neither school has a stadium that seats 65, 000


OU has a much more national appeal! Plus, The biggest TV marketshare for CFB are
1) Birmingham
2) Columbus
3)OKC

So the schools for potential expansion are mostly directional schools, schools with a city title or Texas and OU!

Im not trying to argue with you, I am against adding Texas for all the reasons on this board . I can see why they would invite them to join though!

 

[CullmanTide]

Everyone says why? This where college football is headed which is super conferences so get on it early b4 anyone else, my opinion which means nothing

The SEC is already a super conference along with the Big 10.

 

[MightyWingman]

Yeah A&M is attempting to torpedo this.

Again not that I blame them.

The only thing we can do is try to slow the process down. I think it's just a matter or time now. Makes me sick.

For anyone wanting the shorthorns to join, think of the consequences. Alabama will sit squarely in the crosshairs. Texas will want to rule and they must first dethrone the king. You can't put ANYTHING past Texas. Just look at the Big 12.

Texas has screwed over EACH of their conference partners in every conference they have been in. They will try the same in the SEC. Wish Sankey would have honored the gentleman's agreement we had with the SEC. It's just a matter of time until they'll be in our league. Can't wait to see what kinda problems they start, because it'll happen like clockwork.

 

[KrAzY3]

Texas is in the central time zone. USC is two time zones away.

You do remember the time that Texas tried to join the Pac-12, right? Time zones aren't the only factor here.

California has almost 40 million people. As I said before if the SEC actually wants to take over college football, they're not going to pack all the regional football powers on top of each other like sardines. They have to think bigger.

Texas and Oklahoma are basically redundant. North Carolina isn't. Notre Dame isn't. Virginia isn't. This is a poor final move, and all this for a school (Texas) that won't even be loyal.

 

[CullmanTide]

I find it curious to imagine Texas desiring to join the SEC. They would essentially be admitting little brother got one over them. In essence, this would be them "crying uncle."

That may be the biggest reason I find any of this hard to believe.

Texas A&M definitely got one over on them!

 

[PA Tide Fan]

They might as well change the name of the Southeastern Conference to something else if they're going to allow teams in from all over the country that are not geographically part of the Southeast. Actually Texas A&M and Missouri don't even fit.

 

[TideEngineer08]

You do remember the time that Texas tried to join the Pac-12, right? Time zones aren't the only factor here.

California has almost 40 million people. As I said before if the SEC actually wants to take over college football, they're not going to pack all the regional football powers on top of each other like sardines. They have to think bigger.

Texas and Oklahoma are basically redundant. North Carolina isn't. Notre Dame isn't. Virginia isn't. This is a poor final move, and all this for a school (Texas) that won't even be loyal.

Yeah. Only they ended up not joining. And the time zone differences were among the reasons it fell through. They didn’t want to be playing games that kicked off at 10 pm local time.

USC isn’t realistic. Notre Dame isn’t either. Notre Dame has options. The SEC would likely be third on their list behind the ACC and Big Ten.

I don’t think North Carolina or Virginia is in play either due to culture and academic perceptions. What makes them all different than OU and Texas, though, is that those two have reached the end of their financial rope in their current situation. Which makes them “available.”

Them going to the PAC 12 is, well, it’s possible but they stand to make many millions more in the SEC or Big Ten. The SEC just makes more sense. That doesn’t mean I like it. But if businesses do anything, and college football is a business, it’s seek to grow. Either organically or through mergers and acquisitions.

 

[CullmanTide]

They might as well change the name of the Southeastern Conference to something else if they're going to allow teams in from all over the country that are not geographically part of the Southeast. Actually Texas A&M and Missouri don't even fit.

It'd be better to start fresh. Just form a national college football league with no other sports, say the top 32 programs. Pay the athlete's and be done with it. The idea makes me nauseous but not like adding Texas to the SEC.

 

[KrAzY3]

it’s seek to grow.

I've been looking at the map. I've been looking up population numbers. Adding Oklahoma is a laughable way to "grow".

I've had these conversations for ten years. As I said before, Missouri wasn't realistic, Texas wasn't realistic, Oklahoma wasn't realistic. The SEC doesn't have to make a move until the right fit appears. This is a poor way to "grow" because redundancy is a poor way to grow.

It doesn't have to be Notre Dame, it doesn't have to be Southern Cal. It should be something bigger than a state with less than 4 million people though.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I've been looking at the map. I've been looking up population numbers. Adding Oklahoma is a laughable way to "grow".

I've had these conversations for ten years. As I said before, Missouri wasn't realistic, Texas wasn't realistic, Oklahoma wasn't realistic. The SEC doesn't have to make a move until the right fit appears. This is a poor way to "grow" because redundancy is a poor way to grow.

It doesn't have to be Notre Dame, it doesn't have to be Southern Cal. It should be something bigger than a state with less than 4 million people though.

You’re operating under the paradigm that new states and state populations mean something in these matters. Worlds have changed in the last ten years.

How many new viewers would Oklahoma bring to the table vs North Carolina or Virginia?

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

The only thing we can do is try to slow the process down. I think it's just a matter or time now. Makes me sick.


Texas has screwed over EACH of their conference partners in every conference they have been in. They will try the same in the SEC. Wish Sankey would have honored the gentleman's agreement we had with the SEC. It's just a matter of time until they'll be in our league. Can't wait to see what kinda problems they start, because it'll happen like clockwork.

I think Sankey is looking at green more than anything else...................I would hope that there would be enough schools oppose this to torpedo any move

 

[major tidefan]

 

[81usaf92]

I'm not trying to go full drama queen here, but those of you who don't live here or haven't spent a lot of time here know the TV caricature of these folks, which is largely accurate. They are the lead white villains in "Blazing Saddles" (Harvey Korman and Slim Pickens and even Mel Brooks).

But when you live here it's not even comical, it's like living among an alternative universe of people whose thoughts echo from side to side in their own heads, and they think it's a crowd.

I lived in Texas for about 6 months and I think @TexasBama is right in that Texas best resembles Buck Strickland from King of the Hill

 

[81usaf92]

I just hate how much this limits the SEC and how much this opens things up for the Big 10. The SEC did so well last time by letting everyone else scurry around, while they waited to make the right move. So the Big 10 adds Nebraska, the Pac-12 adds mighty Utah and Colorado, and then the SEC blows everyone's moves away by adding Texas A&M and Missouri.

Now the SEC is going to go all in (exceeding 16 teams seems unlikely in the foreseeable future) on Texas and Oklahoma? They are going to play their ace in the hole (9th conference game) and basically stand pat having gained the mighty territory of Oklahoma? That's their final move? They do understand that having half the football powers doesn't actually give them half the votes with the committee right?

Texas/Oklahoma/Alabama/Georgia and so on are actually going to see a net loss in their influence over things like the playoff (since the Big 12 won't be advocating for Oklahoma or Texas). They are not making the right moves to gain true nationwide power.

Meanwhile the Big 10 is sitting there going hmm... do we go for Southern Cal and UCLA? North Carolina or Virginia? Notre Dame and Stanford? They will have all the options and the SEC will be sitting and watching. Heck they might decide they want to add Texas A&M who the SEC is kind of screwing over right now.

If the SEC really wanted to just take over college football like some have said, wouldn't it be actually be bigger moves? Wouldn't you go for Southern Cal and Notre Dame or something?

Also, I'm done with hearing about who won't join the SEC. I heard that about Missouri. I also heard that about Texas and Oklahoma and now they're begging to join. The SEC is making so much money that they, with enough patience, could have their pick of a lot of schools in a lot of states. California, North Carolina, Virginia... no idea why they're choosing Oklahoma.

The Big 10 can’t get USC without violating one of their major membership standards

 

[KrAzY3]

You’re operating under the paradigm that new states and state populations mean something in these matters. Worlds have changed in the last ten years.

How many new viewers would Oklahoma bring to the table vs North Carolina or Virginia?

It's actually the other way around. Major markets and ratings mean less now. The state population means more than ever due to the SEC Network. I was on here discussing it before the SECN even launched. It's why I said that Texas A&M and Missouri would be great additions well before it even happened. It was about in-state subscribers! Slive got this, it's why they made the moves they did make, it's why apparently they were in fact discussing NC and Virginia. It's also why the SEC is now making so much money that Oklahoma and Texas want to join.

The SEC Network charges more per subscriber in states they have has a SEC program. This is why Texas doesn't mean as much, it's why the size of the state matters. I would also add a point already made here. If Texas and Oklahoma are really so valuable, why does the SEC make so much more money without them?

That aside, I did also extensively look up ratings, major markets and so on. Even then Texas and Oklahoma don't really shine that much given the inroads the SEC has already made. The SEC is already big in that region, it's not like suddenly everyone starts watching the SEC, they've been doing it the whole time! That was the whole point of adding A&M and Missouri, to make further inroads. Now the SEC is investing more to gain less.

The real issue here though is that the redundancies come in the form of relatively similar brands good at fairly similar things. This means at the end of the day some brands will be harmed. Every SEC team can't be good at football at the same time, and once they add another SEC game they're in fact adding another loss to half of the SEC team's record right off the bat.

I mentioned elsewhere that Nebraska joining the Big 10 didn't work out well, and someone retorted that Nebraska wasn't a football power when they joined. They had been winning 9 and 10 games every year, so I'm not really sure I buy that, but that quickly went to just being mediocre. Now their athletic department has more in common with Minnesota than true football powers.

This is what happens once your brand becomes damaged. What is Oklahoma actually worth if they are no longer a football power? They're basically Arkansas? What of other brands being damaged? Tennessee is making less money than Kentucky now, they haven't fared well in the Saban era and the risk is that their brand never recovers. Oklahoma and Texas can't join the SEC without some football brands being damaged. It's just impossible.

So, that's why I think basketball brands and new larger population states offer more. If your only trick is being good at football that's a trick the SEC is already good at.

 

[bamaga]

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